Quote from: Risay117 on August 05, 2017, 07:02:11 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 05, 2017, 06:44:32 PM

finally gonna see this shit

expecting PURE GARBAGE

If you are a Puritan I expect you to start hating it. But for me, it is a great movie that finally has its own soul like the Dark Knight.

It takes liberty in story and casting which I feel does the movie and the character great justice. After seeing enough comic based or book based movies failing due to hem trying to copy the books or try something else, I prefer this direction of keeping the spirit of the story alive but going in different creative direction.

i respect your point of view, but i'm kind of glad that i didn't read this post before seeing the movie

Honestly I won't say it is some amazing movie, but it feels very different from most of the other super hero movies. Why it is tied or maybe got a higher rating than Iron Man.

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My biggest problems were the YA vibe, color grading, and the same over-coreographed fighting sequences that every Disney Marvel movie has.

I'd put the movie par with Spiderman 3, if not a touch ahead.

hmm, i'm gonna assume you didn't hate spiderman 3 then

(good)


i'd say i agree 80% with this video

except i actually liked the scenes with tony stark, and i surprisingly enjoyed the mentor thing he had going—i didn't expect to like that aspect at all but i thought it was executed tastefully

i have mixed feelings about spidey's talking suit, it's cool and all, but it felt like a replacement for my all-time favorite of spider-man's superpowers—his fucking spider sense

i also didn't like peter's nerd friend, or virtually any of the high school drama scenes whatsoever, because wow i just don't caaaaaaaaare, especially when it's not even trying to be an accurate portrayal of how high school actually is

and HAHAHAHAHAHAHA remember when those girls are playing fuck/kill/marry, but one of the girls just says the letter "F" instead of "fuck" like an actual girl in high school would say? yeah that was hilariously stupid

that being said, i think zendaya's character was actually my favorite overall—bit of a dark horse—she reminded me a lot of ally sheedy's character in the breakfast club (almost to a point where i think she was trying to emulate that performance, but it was fine), and i was actually surprised at who she ended up being

also, i hate web shooters and they suck and they're stupid—organic webs forever

but i mean yeah, overall it was fine, and it wasn't a clusterfuckity mess like TASM2 or anything

re: web shooters

if i have to hear "but that's how they were in the comics!!!!!!!!" one more time, i'm gonna scream

I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE FUCKING COMICS THEY SUCKED SAM RAIMI DID EVERYTHING BETTER

the thing about web shooters is that there always has to be a stupid, shitty, cliche scene where spider-man, like, FALLS or something, and he always manages to lose the web shooters

and then he's like "ohhhhhh nooooooo, my web shootersszzzzzz"

and then his stupid ass has to go and get them before he gets his ass kicked

it's just a cheap way to add more tension and ugh

it just makes him so much lamer of a superhero in my eyes

What was canon first, web shooters or organic webs?

Like.....it never made sense why webs came out of his wrists. But GO GO WEB felt a lot more natural and more spider like then the shooters.

What was canon first, web shooters or organic webs?

Like.....it never made sense why webs came out of his wrists. But GO GO WEB felt a lot more natural and more spider like then the shooters.

Web shooters are canon. Organic webs are an affectation by Sam Raimi.

Makes perfect sense to me—a radioactive spider bit him and gave him spider-based powers. Why shouldn't he have organic webs? It makes about as much sense as all the rest of his powers.

never liked gwen, but i'm very biased towards anything raimi tbh

also, >blondes

ick

Quote from: Verbatim on August 06, 2017, 12:22:03 AM

Quote from: Batch on August 06, 2017, 12:15:26 AM

What was canon first, web shooters or organic webs?

Like.....it never made sense why webs came out of his wrists. But GO GO WEB felt a lot more natural and more spider like then the shooters.

Web shooters are canon. Organic webs are an affectation by Sam Raimi.

Makes perfect sense to me—a radioactive spider bit him and gave him spider-based powers. Why shouldn't he have organic webs?

I agree, just seems weird that all he really got in this movie was strength.

And climbing too, to be fair.

Quote from: Verbatim on August 06, 2017, 12:22:03 AM

Organic webs are an affectation by Sam Raimi.

Organic webs were in the comics first, but it was Peter's clone, Kaine (Scarlet Spider), that had them.

i see

following comics seems like a massive headache

Quote from: Verbatim on August 06, 2017, 12:45:02 AM

Quote from: Aria on August 06, 2017, 12:38:13 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 06, 2017, 12:22:03 AM

Organic webs are an affectation by Sam Raimi.

Organic webs were in the comics first, but it was Peter's clone, Kaine (Scarlet Spider), that had them.

i see

following comics seems like a massive headache

Some are easier than others, but Spiderman is awful to follow. The Clone Saga was easily the lowest point of the comic's history, but (surprising to those new to comics) Spiderman has a LOT of overly convoluted and mediocre stories. The Night Gwen Stacy Died, The Amazing Spiderman run by Straczynski, Superior Spiderman, and Renew Your Vows are basically the best of his history (with a few other good ones mixed in). The only reason he hasn't ended up like the Fantastic Four is because of the legacy cemented by Secret Wars, the 90's cartoon, and the Raimi movies.

please just tell me Spider-Man Reign isn't canon

Quote from: Verbatim on August 06, 2017, 12:58:35 AM

Quote from: Aria on August 06, 2017, 12:54:09 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 06, 2017, 12:45:02 AM

Quote from: Aria on August 06, 2017, 12:38:13 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 06, 2017, 12:22:03 AM

Organic webs are an affectation by Sam Raimi.

Organic webs were in the comics first, but it was Peter's clone, Kaine (Scarlet Spider), that had them.

i see

following comics seems like a massive headache

Some are easier than others, but Spiderman is awful to follow. The Clone Saga was easily the lowest point of the comic's history, but (surprising to those new to comics) Spiderman has a LOT of overly convoluted and mediocre stories. The Night Gwen Stacy Died, The Amazing Spiderman run by Straczynski, Superior Spiderman, and Renew Your Vows are basically the best of his history (with a few other good ones mixed in). The only reason he hasn't ended up like the Fantastic Four is because of the legacy cemented by Secret Wars, the 90's cartoon, and the Raimi movies.

please just tell me Spider-Man Reign isn't canon

It isn't 616/2.0 Spider-man, so no.

what's that mean

Quote from: Verbatim on August 06, 2017, 01:14:46 AM

Quote from: Aria on August 06, 2017, 01:13:08 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 06, 2017, 12:58:35 AM

Quote from: Aria on August 06, 2017, 12:54:09 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 06, 2017, 12:45:02 AM

Quote from: Aria on August 06, 2017, 12:38:13 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 06, 2017, 12:22:03 AM

Organic webs are an affectation by Sam Raimi.

Organic webs were in the comics first, but it was Peter's clone, Kaine (Scarlet Spider), that had them.

i see

following comics seems like a massive headache

Some are easier than others, but Spiderman is awful to follow. The Clone Saga was easily the lowest point of the comic's history, but (surprising to those new to comics) Spiderman has a LOT of overly convoluted and mediocre stories. The Night Gwen Stacy Died, The Amazing Spiderman run by Straczynski, Superior Spiderman, and Renew Your Vows are basically the best of his history (with a few other good ones mixed in). The only reason he hasn't ended up like the Fantastic Four is because of the legacy cemented by Secret Wars, the 90's cartoon, and the Raimi movies.

please just tell me Spider-Man Reign isn't canon

It isn't 616/2.0 Spider-man, so no.

what's that mean

Like DC, Marvel comics have a multiverse. The primary Marvel universe was Earth-616; then because of the events in Time Runs Out and Secret Wars 2015, we got a singular comicbook universe that took the favorite parts of all the universes (616 Peter Parker, Miles Morales, etc) and combined them into one continuity.

And is that considered canon to the MCU? Or are they two separate entities?

Quote from: Batch on August 06, 2017, 01:48:09 AM

Quote from: Aria on August 06, 2017, 01:19:37 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 06, 2017, 01:14:46 AM

Quote from: Aria on August 06, 2017, 01:13:08 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 06, 2017, 12:58:35 AM

Quote from: Aria on August 06, 2017, 12:54:09 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 06, 2017, 12:45:02 AM

Quote from: Aria on August 06, 2017, 12:38:13 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 06, 2017, 12:22:03 AM

Organic webs are an affectation by Sam Raimi.

Organic webs were in the comics first, but it was Peter's clone, Kaine (Scarlet Spider), that had them.

i see

following comics seems like a massive headache

Some are easier than others, but Spiderman is awful to follow. The Clone Saga was easily the lowest point of the comic's history, but (surprising to those new to comics) Spiderman has a LOT of overly convoluted and mediocre stories. The Night Gwen Stacy Died, The Amazing Spiderman run by Straczynski, Superior Spiderman, and Renew Your Vows are basically the best of his history (with a few other good ones mixed in). The only reason he hasn't ended up like the Fantastic Four is because of the legacy cemented by Secret Wars, the 90's cartoon, and the Raimi movies.

please just tell me Spider-Man Reign isn't canon

It isn't 616/2.0 Spider-man, so no.

what's that mean

Like DC, Marvel comics have a multiverse. The primary Marvel universe was Earth-616; then because of the events in Time Runs Out and Secret Wars 2015, we got a singular comicbook universe that took the favorite parts of all the universes (616 Peter Parker, Miles Morales, etc) and combined them into one continuity.

And is that considered canon to the MCU? Or are they two separate entities?

MCU is a different continuity, yes. Most of the characters were based more heavily on their Ultimate incarnations as well, and not the mainline characters.

i like this

so it's not that things are "non-canon"

they're just "different-canon"

Quote from: Verbatim on August 06, 2017, 02:04:49 AM

Quote from: Aria on August 06, 2017, 01:55:49 AM

Quote from: Batch on August 06, 2017, 01:48:09 AM

Quote from: Aria on August 06, 2017, 01:19:37 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 06, 2017, 01:14:46 AM

Quote from: Aria on August 06, 2017, 01:13:08 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 06, 2017, 12:58:35 AM

Quote from: Aria on August 06, 2017, 12:54:09 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 06, 2017, 12:45:02 AM

Quote from: Aria on August 06, 2017, 12:38:13 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 06, 2017, 12:22:03 AM

Organic webs are an affectation by Sam Raimi.

Organic webs were in the comics first, but it was Peter's clone, Kaine (Scarlet Spider), that had them.

i see

following comics seems like a massive headache

Some are easier than others, but Spiderman is awful to follow. The Clone Saga was easily the lowest point of the comic's history, but (surprising to those new to comics) Spiderman has a LOT of overly convoluted and mediocre stories. The Night Gwen Stacy Died, The Amazing Spiderman run by Straczynski, Superior Spiderman, and Renew Your Vows are basically the best of his history (with a few other good ones mixed in). The only reason he hasn't ended up like the Fantastic Four is because of the legacy cemented by Secret Wars, the 90's cartoon, and the Raimi movies.

please just tell me Spider-Man Reign isn't canon

It isn't 616/2.0 Spider-man, so no.

what's that mean

Like DC, Marvel comics have a multiverse. The primary Marvel universe was Earth-616; then because of the events in Time Runs Out and Secret Wars 2015, we got a singular comicbook universe that took the favorite parts of all the universes (616 Peter Parker, Miles Morales, etc) and combined them into one continuity.

And is that considered canon to the MCU? Or are they two separate entities?

MCU is a different continuity, yes. Most of the characters were based more heavily on their Ultimate incarnations as well, and not the mainline characters.

i like this

so it's not that things are "non-canon"

they're just "different-canon"

Jameson with a vape instead of a cigar

FUCKING DROPPED

Quote from: Verbatim on August 06, 2017, 12:22:03 AM

Organic webs are an affectation by Sam Raimi.

Organic webs were in the comics first, but it was Peter's clone, Kaine (Scarlet Spider), that had them.

Fucking Kaine was the worst. Remember how hard Marvel was pushing him to be a thing back in the '90s? It only took 20 years to finally make him more than a Carnage-tier bore.

Web shooters are best Spiderman. Can you imagine how fucking gross it would be to produce spider webs that shoot from your wrists?

Spiders arent exactly glamorous