Spider-Man Homecoming

Kitsune 狐 · August 06, 2017, 09:11:22 AM

This is what I imagine when I hear that movie title.

Batch · August 06, 2017, 09:34:44 AM

Quote from: Flee on August 06, 2017, 06:08:36 AM

Wait what, Spiderman doesn't always generate the web? What is this shit

Welcome to......2013?

Verbatim · August 06, 2017, 09:41:22 AM

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Quote from: Flee on August 06, 2017, 06:08:36 AM
Wait what, Spiderman doesn't always generate the web? What is this shit
Welcome to......2013?

1962

Flee · August 06, 2017, 09:49:27 AM

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Verbatim · August 06, 2017, 09:54:36 AM

Quote from: Flee on August 06, 2017, 09:49:27 AM

Quote from: Batch on August 06, 2017, 09:34:44 AM
Quote from: Flee on August 06, 2017, 06:08:36 AM
Wait what, Spiderman doesn't always generate the web? What is this shit
Welcome to......2013?
Then what does he do instead? Does he have a machine that makes fake webs? Because that'd be the dumbest shit.

yyyyyep

it's as dumb as you think, too, because there are plenty of conflicts that involve him losing/breaking the damn things

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Daily reminder that the Tobey Maguire movies are the only acceptable canon lore.

that is how i choose to view it as well

Flee · August 06, 2017, 09:58:44 AM

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MarKhan · August 06, 2017, 10:02:08 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 06, 2017, 09:54:36 AM

Quote from: Flee on August 06, 2017, 09:49:27 AM
Quote from: Batch on August 06, 2017, 09:34:44 AM
Quote from: Flee on August 06, 2017, 06:08:36 AM
Wait what, Spiderman doesn't always generate the web? What is this shit
Welcome to......2013?
Then what does he do instead? Does he have a machine that makes fake webs? Because that'd be the dumbest shit.

yyyyyep

it's as dumb as you think, too, because there are plenty of conflicts that involve him losing/breaking the damn things
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Daily reminder that the Tobey Maguire movies are the only acceptable canon lore.
that is how i choose to view it as well

And that`s one of reasons I don`t watch TV anymore

Verbatim · August 06, 2017, 10:27:05 AM

Quote from: Flee on August 06, 2017, 09:58:44 AM

I legit had no idea. That's fucking lame.

Also, why does Spiderman keep changing actors? I don't care much about comic books or superhero movies, so I haven't seen any of the movies that came after Maguire.

The series that came after Sam Raimi's trilogy feat. Tobey Maguire was a total reboot; it's called The Amazing Spider-Man rather than just Spider-Man. So, it's as simple as that—new series -> new actor.

This happened because the planned Spider-Man 4 got canceled due to Raimi leaving the project. He had to finish the film in about three years, and wasn't confident that he'd be able to do it without compromising his artistry. Tobey was always close friends with Raimi, and has stated that he wouldn't want to do another Spider-Man film without him, so he didn't. The industry, too, felt that the core Spider-Man story was always about a coming of age, and the series had been beginning to deviate from that anyway, so they figured it was time to reboot it.

So for the Amazing Spider-Man, they cast Andrew Garfield, with Marc Webb directing. The first movie went over reasonably well with audiences, despite being a near-total rehash of the first Sam Raimi film with re: the fact that it retold his origin story and used mechanical web shooters instead of organic webs to be closer to the comics.

The Amazing Spider-Man 2 wound up being one of the worst superhero movies of all time, though. Take all of Spider-Man 3's issues and turn them up to 11, basically. It was fucking bad, and, relatively speaking, it performed poorly at the box office as well. So that franchise was shitcanned.

Spider-Man is still an immensely popular character, and Sony is determined to make any effort to milk him, so they expressed interest in grouping him up with the MCU (the Avengers movies). He made his first appearance in Captain America: Civil War, which would've been a surprise appearance if it wasn't so heavily advertised. This new, completely-unrelated-to-Andrew-Garfield Spider-Man is very young and stated to be fifteen years of age.

So, this NEW movie, Spider-Man: Homecoming, is another reboot and I'm not joking. It is an expansion of the Spider-Man that we saw in CA: Civil War, and that's where we currently stand.

It's a mess and you're not wrong for having missed out.

TL;DR

They just keep rebooting the series, which entails a new story, which entails new actors.

Mordo · August 06, 2017, 10:36:19 AM

"You know, Peter, with great power comes great responsibility. Rudyard Kipling called it "White Man's Burden." Myself, I just call it as I see it: the responsibility of the master to discipline the servant." Ben looks directly at the camera.

"The niggers, the spics, the chinks...It's our responsibility to civilize them. And if we can't? Then they shall dangle from the elm tree. The Day of the Rope is near, Pete. We'll have every nigger in this country dead or in chains in 10 years, and may God have me shot by some carjacking quadroon this very night if I'm wrong. God bless the American Nazi Party."

Damn, Raimi was such a madman, that would never go well with today's audience. Homecoming has a lot to live up to.

big dog · August 06, 2017, 10:43:37 AM

"He was white, Peter... After all these years protesting the Civil Rights Act, and one of my own gets me. Was I wrong, boy?"
"Uncle Ben, h-he looked Italian."
"You're a good kid, Peter. Thank you."
*Uncle Ben dies smiling*

Jesus Christ, Raimi. Truly ahead of the times.

Doctor Doom · August 06, 2017, 11:56:04 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 06, 2017, 10:27:05 AM

The Amazing Spider-Man 2 wound up being one of the worst superhero movies of all time, though. Take all of Spider-Man 3's issues and turn them up to 11, basically. It was fucking bad, and, relatively speaking, it performed poorly at the box office as well. So that franchise was shitcanned.

Garfield in particular got fired because he blew off a huge meeting with Sony's executives. He might have been able to stay on as Spider-Man in the MCU, but he despised Amazing 2 enough to toss away the biggest role of his life.

Batch · August 06, 2017, 07:39:49 PM

Quote from: Doctor Doom on August 06, 2017, 11:56:04 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 06, 2017, 10:27:05 AM
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 wound up being one of the worst superhero movies of all time, though. Take all of Spider-Man 3's issues and turn them up to 11, basically. It was fucking bad, and, relatively speaking, it performed poorly at the box office as well. So that franchise was shitcanned.

Garfield in particular got fired because he blew off a huge meeting with Sony's executives. He might have been able to stay on as Spider-Man in the MCU, but he despised Amazing 2 enough to toss away the biggest role of his life.

I kinda respect that in a way

Batch · August 06, 2017, 07:40:41 PM

Not to mention, hes taken some pretty big roles since then

🍁 Aria 🔮 · August 06, 2017, 11:59:51 PM

Quote from: Doctor Doom on August 06, 2017, 11:56:04 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 06, 2017, 10:27:05 AM
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 wound up being one of the worst superhero movies of all time, though. Take all of Spider-Man 3's issues and turn them up to 11, basically. It was fucking bad, and, relatively speaking, it performed poorly at the box office as well. So that franchise was shitcanned.

Garfield in particular got fired because he blew off a huge meeting with Sony's executives. He might have been able to stay on as Spider-Man in the MCU, but he despised Amazing 2 enough to toss away the biggest role of his life.

Eh, Hacksaw Ridge was universally well-received. I wouldn't say "biggest role", but burning bridges with Sony won't help him in the future.

🍁 Aria 🔮 · August 07, 2017, 12:02:49 AM

Quote from: Doctor Doom on August 06, 2017, 05:01:40 AM

Quote from: Aria on August 06, 2017, 12:38:13 AM
Quote from: Verbatim on August 06, 2017, 12:22:03 AM
Organic webs are an affectation by Sam Raimi.
Organic webs were in the comics first, but it was Peter's clone, Kaine (Scarlet Spider), that had them.

Fucking Kaine was the worst. Remember how hard Marvel was pushing him to be a thing back in the '90s? It only took 20 years to finally make him more than a Carnage-tier bore.

And now he's just McFarlane Spiderman, but in Texas. Funny how things happen.

Hahahaha very funny Zonda · August 07, 2017, 03:51:17 AM

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