I'm not sure I'd equate their religious beliefs with an act of cutting your nose off to spite your face. That is exceedingly retarded of them though.
Kill her.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on January 09, 2015, 09:13:54 AMI'm not sure I'd equate their religious beliefs with an act of cutting your nose off to spite your face. That is exceedingly retarded of them though.Given the extent of Islamism in the Gaza Strip it's the best explanation. But, fuck, this thread wasn't meant to be about Islam. It was meant to be about being forced to accommodate people's feelings--should've made that more clear >.>
Quote from: Kiyohime on January 09, 2015, 09:03:57 AMBecause you blamed Islam, Islam didn't make those people shoot up the place, the shooters backwards mindset and the twisted extremist beliefs they have did.No, it did. They shot the place up while shouting allahu ackbar. They were quite clearly Muslims and motivated by their beliefs, in the same way Christians have been motivated to bomb abortion clinics or block stem-cell research. Trying to say they aren't really Muslims is apologetics of the worst sort because, whatever you may think about the scripture and doctrines of Islam, they were still Muslims.
Because you blamed Islam, Islam didn't make those people shoot up the place, the shooters backwards mindset and the twisted extremist beliefs they have did.
They shot the place up while shouting allahu ackbar
Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 09, 2015, 09:06:02 AMQuote from: Kiyohime on January 09, 2015, 09:03:57 AMBecause you blamed Islam, Islam didn't make those people shoot up the place, the shooters backwards mindset and the twisted extremist beliefs they have did.No, it did. They shot the place up while shouting allahu ackbar. They were quite clearly Muslims and motivated by their beliefs, in the same way Christians have been motivated to bomb abortion clinics or block stem-cell research. Trying to say they aren't really Muslims is apologetics of the worst sort because, whatever you may think about the scripture and doctrines of Islam, they were still Muslims.*face palm*QuoteThey shot the place up while shouting allahu ackbarAgain, that's because of their own twisted extreme views, not because they were Muslim, if they were Christian they still would hold those views and if the paper drew a cartoon about Christianity they would do the same.When did I say "they weren't really Muslim"? Because I didn't.When Christian extremists shoot up an abortion clinic in the US or execute gays in Africa, it's not because of Christianity itself, it's because of the peoples extreme passion for it. By your logic ALL Muslims are violent fundamentalists and ALL Christians are homophobic murderers who shoot up abortion clinics.
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"sensitivity class"
Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 09, 2015, 09:17:34 AMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on January 09, 2015, 09:13:54 AMI'm not sure I'd equate their religious beliefs with an act of cutting your nose off to spite your face. That is exceedingly retarded of them though.Given the extent of Islamism in the Gaza Strip it's the best explanation. But, fuck, this thread wasn't meant to be about Islam. It was meant to be about being forced to accommodate people's feelings--should've made that more clear >.>Surely that's because the college doesn't want people running round insulting everyone and anyone, leading to a pretty shitty college experience. If that was the case, nobody would want to go there, and they'd end up closing due to no students.
Quote from: Kiyohime on January 09, 2015, 09:03:57 AMBecause you blamed Islam, Islam didn't make those people shoot up the place, the shooters backwards mindset and the twisted extremist beliefs they have did.No, it did.
free will?
Christianity shed it's violence a long time ago (if we were living in the 15-16th Centuries, I'd be attacking Christianity, no doubt) but also because Christians face the same sort of satire nowadays as Muslims do, and yet Christian fundamentalism is nowhere near as substantial.
Quote from: DemonicChronic on January 09, 2015, 09:40:15 AM free will?Doesn't exist.
But, in a sense, yes, religion does supersede our autonomy to act in certain manners. If you believe a certain proposition to be true (religious or not) then your belief will necessarily motivate you to act in a certain way.
So the solution is to stifle free speech?
I'm not following her around calling her a dirty Jihadist. She was eavesdropping and didn't like something I said, so what? The same could happen with a dead baby joke, but it isn't my job to accommodate the particular sensitivities of others.
Yeah, no - they're still extremely violent.
Quote from: Ἀπόλλων on January 09, 2015, 09:47:47 AMYeah, no - they're still extremely violent.I don't disagree. Especially in the Central African Republic. Terrible, terrible violence.
And a dead baby joke isn't the same as an offensive comment towards someones religon. Religon is treated differently.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 09, 2015, 09:53:30 AMQuote from: Ἀπόλλων on January 09, 2015, 09:47:47 AMYeah, no - they're still extremely violent.I don't disagree. Especially in the Central African Republic. Terrible, terrible violence.So, you'd say that religion in these underdeveloped countries with shitty economies and rampant corruption is more violent than in democratic western nations?
Debatable, obviously.
So you're telling me that something created by sentient life, something that we give power to, has more power than us now? That we can give beliefs momentum in our minds but we can't take it away?
Typical Meta post: Joke mocking Islam turns into a 50+ response debate about the nature of religious extremism and free will.All outside the Serious forum!
Quote from: Ἀπόλλων on January 09, 2015, 10:09:10 AMTypical Meta post: Joke mocking Islam turns into a 50+ response debate about the nature of religious extremism and free will.All outside the Serious forum!A metapost a day keeps the shitposters at bay!
Quote from: Simseo on January 09, 2015, 09:51:25 AMAnd a dead baby joke isn't the same as an offensive comment towards someones religon. Religon is treated differently.Point being it shouldn't be. The comment is only offensive if you want to construe it that way. If anybody seriously claims to represent the idea that certain beliefs motivate certain kinds of behaviour--which is essentially what my propositions reduce to--then they shouldn't be in a college.
I'm not saying people should be allowed to go around offending people. I'm saying the whole idea of having to bend over backwards for people's feelings when I wasn't being intentionally offensive and then taking a sensitivity class is retarded. If she really felt it was that much of a problem (this girl is a cunt, by the way), then she could've spoken to me. Shit, even the faculty could've asked me to explain myself and I would've been able to then tell them I wasn't saying "All of Islam is barbaric and produces only barbaric people".