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Quote from: DemonicChronic on January 09, 2015, 09:50:06 AMDebatable, obviously.Not really. The only way you can defend free will in the face of certain neuroscientific findings is to dilute the original, metaphysical meaning of the term. Free will, as referenced to unhindered agency--being the conscious author of one's own thoughts and desires--isn't really a defensible position anymore.
Debatable, obviously.
Of course we can take away the momentum of these beliefs, but only with significant effort.
Quote from: Kiyohime on January 09, 2015, 09:22:27 AM. . . That's not my logic at all, but I see your confusion. I should've made my initial point clearer. I know there are good Muslims and I've acknowledged their vital existence since I've been aware of these people--Malala, for example--and I'm not even coming close to saying all Muslims are violent. I mean, hell, the Old Testament is probably worse than the Qur'an, but we don't need to worry about Jews. The point is that the representation of scripture in the actions of human beings is all that matters--not whether it's being twisted in some grammatical or semantic sense; it may well be--and given what we know lies within the Qur'an we can safely say that the actions of these--as you rightly say--twisted individuals were caused by their Islamic values. If a Muslim robbed a liquor store and took a packet of bacon on his way out, I wouldn't attribute that to his Islamic beliefs because there's clearly no correlation there. And, in the same sense, I wouldn't attribute Jain suicide bombing to Jainism; these things just don't correspond. Islam, however, and violence correspond very well, even given the existence of the admirable moderates. EDIT: I also disagree with the assertion that if they were Christian they would do the same. Christianity shed it's violence a long time ago (if we were living in the 15-16th Centuries, I'd be attacking Christianity, no doubt) but also because Christians face the same sort of satire nowadays as Muslims do, and yet Christian fundamentalism is nowhere near as substantial.
Christianity hasn't exactly shed its violence, you only need to look at Africa and see the horrible things done there in the name of God.
Point is, it's not Islam at fault, it's those who take their beliefs to the extreme whatever that belief may be.
You're in public you shouldn't be acting like that.
You got called out for making ignorant statement and you're surprised they took action?
Quote from: Septy on January 09, 2015, 11:26:45 AMYou got called out for making ignorant statement and you're surprised they took action?Would you be saying the same thing had I put any other religion into that slot? I've said exactly the same thing about religions previously--including Buddhism--and it's never been a problem. Primarily because nobody is that ridiculously sensitive to get butthurt about it, and also because what I'm saying isn't incorrect.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 09, 2015, 11:29:49 AMQuote from: Septy on January 09, 2015, 11:26:45 AMYou got called out for making ignorant statement and you're surprised they took action?Would you be saying the same thing had I put any other religion into that slot? I've said exactly the same thing about religions previously--including Buddhism--and it's never been a problem. Primarily because nobody is that ridiculously sensitive to get butthurt about it, and also because what I'm saying isn't incorrect. If you said something like that about Christianity and Judaism you would get the same treatment, more so if it was judaism.
jokes
Quote from: Kiyohime on January 09, 2015, 11:33:35 AMQuote from: Meta Cognition on January 09, 2015, 11:29:49 AMQuote from: Septy on January 09, 2015, 11:26:45 AMYou got called out for making ignorant statement and you're surprised they took action?Would you be saying the same thing had I put any other religion into that slot? I've said exactly the same thing about religions previously--including Buddhism--and it's never been a problem. Primarily because nobody is that ridiculously sensitive to get butthurt about it, and also because what I'm saying isn't incorrect. If you said something like that about Christianity and Judaism you would get the same treatment, more so if it was judaism.Which is exactly the point I'm making. Ignore the fact that a specific Muslim girl got offended by a remark lacking any significant context, the fact that I should attend a SENSITIVITY CLASS for advancing such a proposition is retarded. Fuck, I'd think it even more retarded if it were for a religion like Judaism or Buddhism.
Quote from: Septy on January 09, 2015, 11:32:30 AMjokes Jesus Christ. Re-read the fucking OP.
Islam, man, I tell ya. . . Makes good people do terrible things."
So this wasn't a joke and was a completely serious statement? Then you should be in the class.
Lol
Quote from: Kiyohime on January 09, 2015, 11:38:01 AMLolWhat's so funny?
Quote from: Septy on January 09, 2015, 11:39:25 AMSo this wasn't a joke and was a completely serious statement? Then you should be in the class.Are you seriously trying to say that religious beliefs don't motivate people to do horrible things?
singling out Islam was wrong.
If I were you then I'd be very, very, very.... Very... Very... Mad.
Moral of the story, don't be intelligent.
They're not wrong. Obviously you need some sensitivity training. The hallways of your school are not The Flood.
Quote from: Mad Max on January 09, 2015, 02:18:01 PMThey're not wrong. Obviously you need some sensitivity training. The hallways of your school are not The Flood.Please tell me you aren't fucking serious.
I'm mostly joking.