Quote from: Kakashi555 on June 10, 2017, 11:49:57 PM

then maybe you are all doing something wrong. maybe filling applications out is the wrong way to go about it.

100 applications over the course of a year and you don't think i've tried other methods

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my whole stance is built upon my completely opposite experience with the job markets than everyone i talk to online. i don't believe it. i got extremely lucky... 4 times? 5 times? over the span of a year? sorry, there's something you aren't telling me. maybe it's just the fact that guys in the physical labour line of work prefer the personal conversation to the written application, idk.

i've gotten my friends jobs literally no problem too so idk what's going on here. that's what i'm asking from you.

i don't fucking know dude, maybe it's a canadian thing

what other methods did you try

and i've talked to other canadians who share your thoughts so i don't think it's that.

Maybe we need another World War without nukes coming into play

does this avatar mean you're playing botw

i don't want to exist in a perfect reality because it would be boring.

oh fuck off with this

no, a perfect reality wouldn't be boring, because then it wouldn't be perfect

Quote from: Verbatim on June 10, 2017, 11:59:39 PM

Quote from: Luciana on June 10, 2017, 11:58:56 PM

Maybe we need another World War without nukes coming into play

does this avatar mean you're playing botw

The job I'm about to get will hopefully let me get my PC upgrade first, along with that, while also paying for some school.

I just find it cute

No, you're not allowed to play it on PC

Quote from: Kakashi555 on June 10, 2017, 11:53:08 PM

i don't want to exist in a perfect reality because it would be boring.

oh fuck off with this

no, a perfect reality wouldn't be boring, because then it wouldn't be perfect

that's not something i can picture. class said it better than i did.

Quote from: Verbatim on June 11, 2017, 12:02:48 AM

Quote from: Luciana on June 11, 2017, 12:01:18 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on June 10, 2017, 11:59:39 PM

Quote from: Luciana on June 10, 2017, 11:58:56 PM

Maybe we need another World War without nukes coming into play

does this avatar mean you're playing botw

The job I'm about to get will hopefully let me get my PC upgrade first, along with that, while also paying for some school.

I just find it cute

No, you're not allowed to play it on PC

The "along with that" meaning getting the Switch, sorry. But I might wait a bit more because I can't really justify an entire system on one game. HOWEVER Fire Emblem is coming to the Switch, so my tone might change after E3.

Stay tuned~

okay good i was prepared to end my friendship with you for a second there

Why didn't you take those offers?

>make $170 a week
>pay a third of that for gas
>rest doesn't cover food or bills, much less savings

I wonder.

That's wrong, then.

Yeah, that's the point.

I know all this.

Someone has to build roads and buildings, why can't you? No one is saying you have to work in construction for 50 years. It pays well, and you'll be okay doing 5 years of it.

"With over 11 million workers, construction is one of the largest industries in the U.S. The industry has one of the highest rates of work-related injuries and suicides, and also has a high prevalence of musculoskeletal pain among its workers. A 2012 study found that 40% of construction workers over age 50 had chronic back pain. Another 2012 study found that injured workers were 45% more likely to be diagnosed with depression than non-injured workers. Other recent studies have found construction workers to have double the suicide rate of the general population."
 -Harvard article on the issues of US construction workers

what kind of place are these people living in that costs a lowballed minumum wage salary x2 for every person living in the home just to break even

Welcome to the United States, where living in one of the most backwards states in the country still costs more than minimum wage to move out.

um, i don't find any of this acceptable? it's unacceptable, that's why we should cease procreating.

I'm not arguing that point; I'm arguing against the mentality of "it's what we've been dealt, so deal with it". Fuck that idea, I'm going to be pissed that our lives are harder than those before us because of those before us. I'll live with it (because suicide is bad), but I won't deal with it.

i'm not terribly lucid right now so i apologize in advance if my messages are poorly worded

Quote from: Kakashi555 on June 11, 2017, 12:04:20 AM

Why didn't you take those offers?

>make $170 a week
>pay a third of that for gas
>rest doesn't cover food or bills, much less savings

I wonder.

i'm literally all anecdotes here but, i drive more than that daily i don't spend more than 60 a week on gas, and my truck is an old 6 cylinder so imagine how much better a somewhat modern 4 cylinder would be like.

"With over 11 million workers, construction is one of the largest industries in the U.S. The industry has one of the highest rates of work-related injuries and suicides, and also has a high prevalence of musculoskeletal pain among its workers. A 2012 study found that 40% of construction workers over age 50 had chronic back pain. Another 2012 study found that injured workers were 45% more likely to be diagnosed with depression than non-injured workers. Other recent studies have found construction workers to have double the suicide rate of the general population."
 -Harvard article on the issues of US construction workers

doesn't really address what i said about working for 5 years to help pay for stuff. and of course a job where you're moving around bricks and shit is going to have higher rates of injuries in comparison to packing up a cheeseburger and handing it through a window.

the whole suicide thing should be pretty constant no matter where you're working, though.

Welcome to the United States, where living in one of the most backwards states in the country still costs more than minimum wage to move out.

i mean, that's compariable to living in a toronto appartment, so are you guys in a big city or something

canada's housing market isn't fantastic either but i don't know how it fares in comparison to yours. i'm basing this all on my own experience, i don't have time to do anything else.

I'm not arguing that point; I'm arguing against the mentality of "it's what we've been dealt, so deal with it". Fuck that idea, I'm going to be pissed that our lives are harder than those before us because of those before us. I'll live with it (because suicide is bad), but I won't deal with it.

i guess there's not much more to say, then.

Quote from: Kakashi555 on June 10, 2017, 11:56:29 PM

what other methods did you try

and i've talked to other canadians who share your thoughts so i don't think it's that.

networking, making connections with people, befriending people who have relatives in some industry, physically asking people if i can work for them, etc.

shit doesn't work for everyone bro—maybe if you keep hearing about it, it's not as easy as you think, and it's actually an endemic, nationwide problem that you're having an annoyingly glib attitude about

fair enough. maybe i'm just more charming then i realise, i don't know. you've given me something to look into a little harder, at least.

that's not something i can picture. class said it better than i did.

i can't picture it either, but you just need to have a consistent and robust definition of "perfection"
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so lets say i can picture it. i still don't believe we can achieve it, so nonexistence is still preferrable.

so lets say i can picture it. i still don't believe we can achieve it, so nonexistence is still preferrable.

my position is that nonexistence is perfection—so we don't really disagree there beyond the semantics of it—but this isn't the thread for that discussion

Quote from: Kakashi555 on June 11, 2017, 12:13:17 AM

okay, so let's say the collective baby boomer generation admits they fucked up. what then?

Hopefully that means an attempt at easing the issues arising from their mistakes, like not continually passing legislature that hurt us and canceling programs that help us.

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there are no "first world problems" that are enjoyable by any stretch of the imagination.

It's a good thing I didn't say that. I said that they are enjoyable compared to the issues that are still present because of humanity's unwillingness to help others.

i don't really think it's fair to compare issues like that, though.

i'm actualy really tired and we're having like 12 different conversations right now so i'm not sure where i'm going with this one lol

Quote from: Kakashi555 on June 11, 2017, 12:20:47 AM

i'm basing this all on my own experience

therein lies the rub

i don't want to condescend, but you clearly don't have a lot of perspective, but you seem somewhat aware of that

well, yeah. i've given you all every chance to explain yourself, because i only know what i've seen and heard.

Quote from: Kakashi555 on June 11, 2017, 12:23:42 AM

so lets say i can picture it. i still don't believe we can achieve it, so nonexistence is still preferrable.

which is why being an antinatalist is all that makes sense

the "perfect existence" has such an iota of a chance of happening (especially because it involves literally changing the fabric of the universe) that it's not an achievable goal in any way

But that doesn't mean that it's not what life should look like. That's 100% how everything should be, no matter how fictitious it is. But if you look at the two goals (one, bring about the perfect existence; two, revert to perfect nonexistence), one makes far more sense to pursue.

yeah, revert to nonexistence

right

i need to know if we're on the same page