Yeah I'm not sure there are two gens after millennials. Either way tho he's right. Personal responsibility counts for shit now, I'm just not sure if it's the fault of the millennials or if we just embraced it.

And yes, I'm blaming us blaming everything else on others.

the generation after Z would all be like, 0-2 years old right about now

and their parents are degenerate teenagers

generation after z starts at 2010 iirc

so seven would be the oldest, which is more than enough time to indicate some things, at least.

Quote from: Verbatim on June 10, 2017, 09:25:19 PM

the generation after Z would all be like, 0-2 years old right about now

and their parents are degenerate teenagers

generation after z starts at 2010 iirc

so seven would be the oldest, which is more than enough time to indicate some things, at least.

Potty training

You're really surprised the generations that grew up in the age of cell phones, computers, and instant gratification are going to be annoyed over things or not embrace it the same way previous generations have?

are you really using this as an argument?

Or a generation that is bogged down incredibly hard by college debt that they owe in the multiple tens of thousands by the time they graduate and haven't even gotten started in a real career yet, along with a housing market that is incredibly shit now?

The housing market is fucked to be sure. But there are loads of ways around student debt and jobs. I think kids just go to college right after highschool because they're scared of getting into the workforce, and schooling is much more comfortable.

You could work for 3-4 years and save up enough for tuition, or at least, a much more managable student debt once you graduate. And on top of that, you will actually have job experience and maturity to go along with it, which is what I think employers are really looking for. And there are plenty of jobs out there, you just have to be willing to go outside your comfort zone. We can't all work at American Eagle.

Life fucking sucks, it has always sucked, and it's going to continue to suck. Stop having kids; break the cycle.

Are you really not refuting it? If you don't think people growing up on technology like this makes our mindset and way of thinking not at all different, then idk what to tell you.

Yeah, it changes your mindset and way of thinking. It also makes those things worse, and these people do it to themselves. No one is forcing you to use any technology.

Well yeah, something they're familiar with sounds far more appealing than working from 9 to 5 for shit wages and living in a place probably less luxurious than home. Highschool also doesn't prepare you for the real world at all.

Too bad. That's life. Everyone has to start by doing hard or boring and usually unfulfilling shit. I don't wake up everyday excited to fix 25 vacuums, believe me.

Where are these expectations coming from? Why is your level of preparedness the responsibility of anyone else?

IF you're still allowed to live at home. If not no, odds are you're stuck with a shitty lifestyle, making ends meet, and not making enough to really live to pay for education.

I think most people live at home when they're off from school, so I'm sure parents would have no problem letting them work for a few years before going to school. Kids are just irresponsible with thier money and spend it on weed and video games.

Even if you don't live at home, you absolutely can save. Just slowly. You have to be dilligent and disciplined.

BOOTSTRAPS son. Better work your ass off for little gain in the hopes of it paying off in 20 to 30 years, because that's what being an American is about.

Listen, again.

Life doesn't owe you, or anyone else, anything. That's a fact. I don't know what you're expecting; a 50k+ salary with full benefits gig after being spoon-fed bullshit for 20 years in school when you have NO experience with doing anything productive or beneficial to society? Stuttering at the grocery store, incapable of making eye contact with the clerk when they ask "cash or credit?" Get the fuck out of here.

This retarded masochistic mindset where people think you need to work all day every day to death, to be moderately successful, is so stupid.

Jesus, I feel like a broken record. THAT'S LIFE. Use this frustration as fuel. It sucks, and it shouldn't be that way, but it is. That's all that matters, and crying about something you can't change is why everyone calls our generations pussies and whiners.

I follow a few people in instagram who are, like, pure-millennial/GenZ'ers, who like all these tumblr posts crying about how hard their lives are, so my response here is a little emotionally-fueled from my annoyance with them.

What are you talking about? Here in America we're so oppressed and have tough lives now with Doink Drumpfeld as president. We have it worse than than countries like Venezuela, North Korea, and Libya!

The justification of "that's life" simply doesn't fly with me, really. The whole "that's just the way it is" is a terrible mindset if you ask me and just accepting it will always be like that is kinda shitty.

It's the same way Jim Crow laws worked. It's not that every single white was hating on the blacks and saw them as subhuman. A lot of people just had the mindset of "that's just the way it is" when seeing things like that. The fact it's sunken in as cultural norm is the part I vehemently disagree with.

I get what you're saying, and we should be striving to improve everyone's lives, but it is going to take an extroardinary amount of work to get there. We can't just sit back and say "This is how it should be, make it so." WE have to be the ones to make these changes, which is a very tall order in and of itself.

Personally, I know the shittier millennials find their lives, the more likely they are to adopt my anti-natalistic point of view, so I don't really care if things get better or not. Life is supposed to suck, anyway.

Quote from: Luciana on June 10, 2017, 11:08:09 PM

The justification of "that's life" simply doesn't fly with me, really. The whole "that's just the way it is" is a terrible mindset if you ask me and just accepting it will always be like that is kinda shitty.

It's the same way Jim Crow laws worked. It's not that every single white was hating on the blacks and saw them as subhuman. A lot of people just had the mindset of "that's just the way it is" when seeing things like that. The fact it's sunken in as cultural norm is the part I vehemently disagree with.

I get what you're saying, and we should be striving to improve everyone's lives, but it is going to take an extroardinary amount of work to get there. We can't just sit back and say "This is how it should be, make it so." WE have to be the ones to make these changes, which is a very tall order in and of itself.

Personally, I know the shittier millennials find their lives, the more likely they are to adopt my anti-natalistic point of view, so I don't really care if things get better or not. Life is supposed to suck, anyway.

Nobody is complaining about the idea of work. We're complaining that we have to both work harder than previous generations just to make a living while also getting the living shit mocked out of us for finding that fucked up. We are the ones that have to fix it, yeah, but it's a problem created by baby boomers. I wouldn't call it unreasonable to be a bit upset at the fact that we're expected to dig ourselves out of a hole that we were practically thrown into.

I also disagree that life is supposed to suck. Life could be paradise, but humanity has historically done a shitty job of making it so. Don't confuse the results from 200 millennia of incompetence to just be a fact of the universe. We can do better, and we should do better.

Quote from: Kakashi555 on June 10, 2017, 10:22:49 PM

The housing market is fucked to be sure. But there are loads of ways around student debt and jobs. I think kids just go to college right after highschool because they're scared of getting into the workforce, and schooling is much more comfortable.

You could work for 3-4 years and save up enough for tuition, or at least, a much more managable student debt once you graduate. And on top of that, you will actually have job experience and maturity to go along with it, which is what I think employers are really looking for. And there are plenty of jobs out there, you just have to be willing to go outside your comfort zone. We can't all work at American Eagle.

Life fucking sucks, it has always sucked, and it's going to continue to suck. Stop having kids; break the cycle.

I don't know about where you live, but 99% of the people I know don't have that luxury. We've all been given of "go to college and be allowed to live at home for a few more years, or don't go to college and move out immediately after high school". Every job in the greater area is either minimum wage or refuses to work around a school schedule.

Every job. Really. Every job? I don't know what you're on, but I'm a highschool drop out and I've had 6 job offers in the last 2 months. They all weren't quite as nice as what I have now, but if you're young and motivated, and you show people that, the world is full of opportunity. Sometimes I think people need to give their head a shake and realise that no jobs are beneath them. (The one exception here is food industry because that conflicts with my ideals, but most don't have that problem.)

And I don't know, virtually every parent I talk to is always saying things like "I wish my son/daughter had gone into the work force for a couple years before going to school. They're not ready after grade 12." So. . .

I mean, it shouldn't take much of a conversation to explain to your parents the situation you're in, and if you say "Y'know, either way I'll be here 'til my late 20's at best, and if I work for a few more years, I can pay for my education all by myself and you're not fucking me over." Hell, you could even sweeten the pot by helping with bill payments, and still pull in enough money to save for college.

AND even if that doesn't work out, you can still manage to save while living on your own. It will suck, you'll probably work 2 jobs full-time or semi-full-time to speed it up, but that's just the hand that you've been dealt if that's the situation.

people need to start actually doing shit instead of just complaining. the last 3 generations after millenial have all had a big problem with inaction. don't just whine, take your lives into your own hands. make the world the place you want to live in.

i'm not saying kill trump or some shit, but this world of feeling sorry for yourself, relentlessly playing the victim card and making excuses, no matter how accurate your descriptions of reality are, is getting you nowhere.

people whining about people whining are about twenty times more annoying than people whining about their lives

Nobody is complaining about the idea of work. We're complaining that we have to both work harder than previous generations just to make a living while also getting the living shit mocked out of us for finding that fucked up. We are the ones that have to fix it, yeah, but it's a problem created by baby boomers. I wouldn't call it unreasonable to be a bit upset at the fact that we're expected to dig ourselves out of a hole that we were practically thrown into.

every generation had shit they needed to overcome.

newsflash, life is a hole you're thrown into and expected to dig yourself out of.

I also disagree that life is supposed to suck. Life could be paradise, but humanity has historically done a shitty job of making it so. Don't confuse the results from 200 millennia of incompetence to just be a fact of the universe. We can do better, and we should do better.

life is supposed to suck because humans are incapable of eternal euphoria. that's why, even though your average 14 year old boy living in a nice suburb in america still finds shit to complain about. no matter how good our lives become, we will always be dissatisfied. it's part of the human condition.

Quote from: Kakashi555 on June 10, 2017, 11:26:52 PM

Quote from: Annie on June 10, 2017, 11:24:12 PM

Suffering is subjective, and no one's struggle is greater or less than anyone else's.

This "I'm triggered people struggle less than me but still say they struggle!" bullshit is ridiculous prehistoric

i know they're technically in the right for complaining or whatever, i just still find it annoying as fuck.

then your priorities over what you get annoyed by are retarded

you seriously get more annoyed by people rebelling (mentally) against this world of shit than the people who accept it and bitch out anyone who doesn't?

i mostly share their dissatisfaction with life, but i don't bitch about it in the fashion that they do.