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I don't believe in freedom of speech, I believe in freedom of expression and opinion.
Quote from: Batch on December 22, 2015, 09:31:22 PMQuote from: Ganon on December 22, 2015, 09:28:11 PMQuote from: Batch on December 22, 2015, 09:24:31 PMEating animals is a need.Quote from: Ganon on December 22, 2015, 09:17:43 PMAnd I don't want to argue whether or not eating animals is indeed morally wrong.Its not, its about survival. Think a lion gives a fuck we it tears into your flesh carcass. I'd much rather eat animals then all this processed shit that gets thrown at us nowadays.Nice appeal to nature. Not talking to Ganon about this (I know he doesn't want to talk about animals) but eating animals IS morally wrong, considering that you can eat other kinds of foods. There's no reason that a rabbit has to die when you can eat nuts for protein instead.That being said, I'm not a vegan or a vegetarian. I eat animals and recognize it's evil for me to do so.
Quote from: Ganon on December 22, 2015, 09:28:11 PMQuote from: Batch on December 22, 2015, 09:24:31 PMEating animals is a need.Quote from: Ganon on December 22, 2015, 09:17:43 PMAnd I don't want to argue whether or not eating animals is indeed morally wrong.Its not, its about survival. Think a lion gives a fuck we it tears into your flesh carcass. I'd much rather eat animals then all this processed shit that gets thrown at us nowadays.
Quote from: Batch on December 22, 2015, 09:24:31 PMEating animals is a need.Quote from: Ganon on December 22, 2015, 09:17:43 PMAnd I don't want to argue whether or not eating animals is indeed morally wrong.
Eating animals is a need.
And I don't want to argue whether or not eating animals is indeed morally wrong.
Quote from: Batch on December 22, 2015, 09:31:22 PMI just fucking said I have no use for this argument. If you want to start another thread for it, by all means. But that is not what this thread is for. As it stands, we're derailing it enough.Jesus fucking Christ.
Quote from: SecondClass on December 22, 2015, 09:36:07 PMI don't believe in freedom of speech, I believe in freedom of expression and opinion.What if it was my opinion that my daughter was a whore? And I expressed that to her everyday? If you could clarify on the difference between speech and expression, that would help, too.
Walking into a crowded theater and yelling fire would be free speech
Quote from: SecondClass on December 22, 2015, 09:36:07 PM Walking into a crowded theater and yelling fire would be free speechYou do not have a right to incite panics or riots for malicious purposes.
I think everyone should be free to say what they want, that shouldnt protect them from the result of their actions and they should expect those repercussions .
Quote from: Ganon on December 22, 2015, 09:37:59 PMQuote from: SecondClass on December 22, 2015, 09:36:07 PMI don't believe in freedom of speech, I believe in freedom of expression and opinion.What if it was my opinion that my daughter was a whore? And I expressed that to her everyday? If you could clarify on the difference between speech and expression, that would help, too.Holding an opinion is freedom of opinion. Letting others know that you hold that opinion is freedom of expression. Once others are aware that you hold that opinion, and make it known that they don't want you to continue to harass them with it, freedom of speech would allow you to do so anyway. Whereas freedom of expression wouldn't, since you've already expressed that you hold the opinion.
Quote from: SecondClass on December 22, 2015, 09:40:41 PMQuote from: Ganon on December 22, 2015, 09:37:59 PMQuote from: SecondClass on December 22, 2015, 09:36:07 PMI don't believe in freedom of speech, I believe in freedom of expression and opinion.What if it was my opinion that my daughter was a whore? And I expressed that to her everyday? If you could clarify on the difference between speech and expression, that would help, too.Holding an opinion is freedom of opinion. Letting others know that you hold that opinion is freedom of expression. Once others are aware that you hold that opinion, and make it known that they don't want you to continue to harass them with it, freedom of speech would allow you to do so anyway. Whereas freedom of expression wouldn't, since you've already expressed that you hold the opinion.That's really not how the law is broken down.
Quote from: Batch on December 22, 2015, 09:43:44 PMI think everyone should be free to say what they want, that shouldnt protect them from the result of their actions and they should expect those repercussions .Lol, that's just called free will. You could say the same thing about literally anything.
Quote from: DAS THE HALLS on December 22, 2015, 09:46:13 PMQuote from: SecondClass on December 22, 2015, 09:40:41 PMQuote from: Ganon on December 22, 2015, 09:37:59 PMQuote from: SecondClass on December 22, 2015, 09:36:07 PMI don't believe in freedom of speech, I believe in freedom of expression and opinion.What if it was my opinion that my daughter was a whore? And I expressed that to her everyday? If you could clarify on the difference between speech and expression, that would help, too.Holding an opinion is freedom of opinion. Letting others know that you hold that opinion is freedom of expression. Once others are aware that you hold that opinion, and make it known that they don't want you to continue to harass them with it, freedom of speech would allow you to do so anyway. Whereas freedom of expression wouldn't, since you've already expressed that you hold the opinion.That's really not how the law is broken down.We're not talking about laws.
Once others are aware that you hold that opinion, and make it known that they don't want you to continue to harass them with it, freedom of speech would allow you to do so anyway.
Quote from: SecondClass on December 22, 2015, 09:46:41 PMQuote from: DAS THE HALLS on December 22, 2015, 09:46:13 PMQuote from: SecondClass on December 22, 2015, 09:40:41 PMQuote from: Ganon on December 22, 2015, 09:37:59 PMQuote from: SecondClass on December 22, 2015, 09:36:07 PMI don't believe in freedom of speech, I believe in freedom of expression and opinion.What if it was my opinion that my daughter was a whore? And I expressed that to her everyday? If you could clarify on the difference between speech and expression, that would help, too.Holding an opinion is freedom of opinion. Letting others know that you hold that opinion is freedom of expression. Once others are aware that you hold that opinion, and make it known that they don't want you to continue to harass them with it, freedom of speech would allow you to do so anyway. Whereas freedom of expression wouldn't, since you've already expressed that you hold the opinion.That's really not how the law is broken down.We're not talking about laws.That's still not how it works.
Human rights aren't decided by governments, they're mulled upon by philosophers. Their very nature leads to debate and speculation.
Quote from: SecondClass on December 22, 2015, 09:50:36 PMHuman rights aren't decided by governments, they're mulled upon by philosophers. Their very nature leads to debate and speculation.So aside from freedom of expression and opinion, what are some other unalienable rights?
@Ganon: The US has nothing like that
Quote from: SecondClass on December 22, 2015, 07:04:06 PMQuote from: Fagcicle on December 22, 2015, 06:48:37 PMI will do whatever the community wants.All right, it's 3 no 6 yesare you going to ban me or be a pussyI need a larger number than that
Quote from: Fagcicle on December 22, 2015, 06:48:37 PMI will do whatever the community wants.All right, it's 3 no 6 yesare you going to ban me or be a pussy
I will do whatever the community wants.
right to consume whatever you want, right to procreate,
Quote from: SecondClass on December 22, 2015, 09:54:13 PMright to consume whatever you want, right to procreate,1. By "consume whatever you want", I assume you mean drugs and other substances? Because I'd say that snorting coke or injecting heroin into your body when a child that you're responsible for is present is easily immoral. And if you don't mean just substances, but food as well, it is also immoral to eat animals.2. Procreation is also immoral.Okay, awesome. Now I have 2, maybe 3 solid arguments for unalienable rights that when exercised could be considered immoral.
1. I disagree. It's not immoral to do drugs unless you're affecting others.
And eating animals isn't immoral, killing them is.
2. No it's not.
Anyway, I hope you didn't miss the point that unalienable rights are debated and speculated upon by thousands of people daily. There are no solid, concrete "unalienable rights", because people disagree on what those entail. I simply told you the concept and gave you MY opinion on which acts are human rights.
How the fuck did this thread turn into a human rights thread
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