Regarding the issue of Biased Moderation.

Mr. Psychologist · October 09, 2014, 05:17:10 PM

Alright so this has been raised several times tonight.

As far as I understand it, the main highlighted point has been PSU's goodbye thread which quickly turned into a shitfest. There were some issues with the moderation actions taken and some participation in the shitflinging itself.

Both of these specific points have been addressed, PSU is no longer Moderated as that was an excessive warning and the person in particular has been spoken to about their participation.

The bigger picture of perceived bias for and against certain members is an issue that needs addressing and it is being figured out, the important things to remember are that the new rules implemented today require some adjusting to on behalf of the moderation team and the community. It's not just an easy light switch on and off, which is in part why I have encouraged some leniency tonight to ease people into things.

I want to emphasise a few things.
-If you see something you don't like, you think that someone is getting away with attacking/flaming another user then PM myself, one of the other moderators or Cheat over it. There is no need to make a hundred threads on the front page declaring it, not because it's about covering asses but because it's just straight up disruptive.

-I think the leniency plea is going to end pretty soon because I personally have been dealing with this shit for the last 8 hours, along with a lot of the other mods and monitors (And of course Cheat)
You have had some time to adjust, you've vented your frustrations and I've made a terrible botched job of cleaning up after you all <_< So, if you have any further complaints please post them in here.

I'm not going to censor anyone, if you have a complaint then bring it up. Just please do so cleanly without all caps and a howling stream of obscenities.

Any other questions can be posted here, it's not an exclusively moderation related thread.

Yu · October 09, 2014, 05:19:20 PM

Oh yea and PSU, my bad about my comment, acted too rash there, I'm still getting accustomed to the new responsibility of being a monitor, as well as the fact that being one means I have to change some of my posting habits.

I didn't mean to offend.

Dustin · October 09, 2014, 05:21:51 PM

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Mr. Psychologist · October 09, 2014, 05:23:20 PM

Quote from: MyNameIsDustin on October 09, 2014, 05:21:51 PM

http://sep7agon.net/index.php?topic=6516.0

Wow, look at all the insultive posts. Let's go ahead and ban and moderate half the fucking forum!

They aren't retrospective you know.

Dustin · October 09, 2014, 05:26:32 PM

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Mr. Psychologist · October 09, 2014, 05:27:53 PM

Quote from: MyNameIsDustin on October 09, 2014, 05:26:32 PM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 09, 2014, 05:23:20 PM
Quote from: MyNameIsDustin on October 09, 2014, 05:21:51 PM
http://sep7agon.net/index.php?topic=6516.0

Wow, look at all the insultive posts. Let's go ahead and ban and moderate half the fucking forum!

They aren't retrospective you know.
How am I supposed to know when this rule was implemented? There was hardly a warning, I was posting as I normally was and all of a sudden I got a warning. It didn't even tell me what post it was for.

Which warning are you referring to?

Camnator · October 09, 2014, 05:28:03 PM

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Dustin · October 09, 2014, 05:29:23 PM

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Mr. Psychologist · October 09, 2014, 05:29:31 PM

Quote from: Camnator on October 09, 2014, 05:28:03 PM

I don't appreciate your FOUL language young man!

I think I said shit once in the OP, is that to what you are referring? <.<

challengerX · October 09, 2014, 05:29:46 PM

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Mat Cauthon · October 09, 2014, 05:30:15 PM

Quote from: Yutaka on October 09, 2014, 05:19:20 PM

Oh yea and PSU, my bad about my comment, acted too rash there, I'm still getting accustomed to the new responsibility of being a monitor, as well as the fact that being one means I have to change some of my posting habits.

I didn't mean to offend.

That's rather odd.

You'd think that if you wanted the Monitor status, you'd be extra guarded in your responses for at least a short while.

Mr. Psychologist · October 09, 2014, 05:31:22 PM

Quote from: MyNameIsDustin on October 09, 2014, 05:29:23 PM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 09, 2014, 05:27:53 PM
Quote from: MyNameIsDustin on October 09, 2014, 05:26:32 PM
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 09, 2014, 05:23:20 PM
Quote from: MyNameIsDustin on October 09, 2014, 05:21:51 PM
http://sep7agon.net/index.php?topic=6516.0

Wow, look at all the insultive posts. Let's go ahead and ban and moderate half the fucking forum!

They aren't retrospective you know.
How am I supposed to know when this rule was implemented? There was hardly a warning, I was posting as I normally was and all of a sudden I got a warning. It didn't even tell me what post it was for.

Which warning are you referring to?
My last one

That specific warning is listed as for Antagonising a user in the serious board. It's a 10% one and it expires in the morning when it becomes watched instead.

Saleem · October 09, 2014, 05:32:05 PM

YouTube

I hope this gets sorted out so we can get back to calling each other figs casually.

Yu · October 09, 2014, 05:32:08 PM

Quote from: Byrne on October 09, 2014, 05:30:15 PM

Quote from: Yutaka on October 09, 2014, 05:19:20 PM
Oh yea and PSU, my bad about my comment, acted too rash there, I'm still getting accustomed to the new responsibility of being a monitor, as well as the fact that being one means I have to change some of my posting habits.

I didn't mean to offend.
That's rather odd.

You'd think that if you wanted the Monitor status, you'd be extra guarded in your responses for at least a short while.

>.>
Habits are hard to change, I'm transitioning but its not something I can right off the bat without making my posts either boring and/or uptight.

Camnator · October 09, 2014, 05:32:29 PM

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Mat Cauthon · October 09, 2014, 05:33:55 PM

Quote from: Yutaka on October 09, 2014, 05:32:08 PM

Quote from: Byrne on October 09, 2014, 05:30:15 PM
Quote from: Yutaka on October 09, 2014, 05:19:20 PM
Oh yea and PSU, my bad about my comment, acted too rash there, I'm still getting accustomed to the new responsibility of being a monitor, as well as the fact that being one means I have to change some of my posting habits.

I didn't mean to offend.
That's rather odd.

You'd think that if you wanted the Monitor status, you'd be extra guarded in your responses for at least a short while.
>.>
Habits are hard to change, I'm transitioning but its not something I can right off the bat without making my posts either boring and/or uptight.

Boring posts or doing your assigned job.
Ok. I guess that can be turned into sense somewhere.

Mr. Psychologist · October 09, 2014, 05:34:12 PM

Quote from: challengerX on October 09, 2014, 05:29:46 PM

Why am I even being moderated when you guys are approving all my posts?

If I break the rules just ban me. But what you guys are doing here is pretty gay. And if you're moderated like me, check your account. This only 10% of the warning level. Shoot I never complain if I get banned or anything, but this is just stupid. I talked a bunch of shit to DeeJ in his own thread (on b.net obviously) and it was full of kids in that thread. Didn't get banned. I don't see why I'm on the moderated list here on a place that's supposedly trying to be better than Bungie.

I just think this type of punishment is more suited for somebody that does a little more than get into a few arguments on the Serious section. Putting a bunch of people on the moderated list is not only a ton of extra work for the mods and makes their time far less enjoyable here, it makes the moderated person's time less enjoyable too and drives members away. It's one thing to be banned then come back and post what you like, but being censored like this is some totalitarian bullshit.

Bungie did fine in the old Flood days with just simple bans. They still do fine with bans. Something like this should be saved for really problematic users.

I am inclined to agree, I think there might need to be a more refined system of Warning/Moderating being implemented. It is supposed to be a reminder to behave yourself but I think this does need discussing more with Cheat.

The idea is to prevent any rule breaking posts from being posted by someone on probation, as a proactive filter rather than some kind of censorship system (Although that is what it is I suppose). It needs some work.

Yu · October 09, 2014, 05:35:06 PM

Quote from: Byrne on October 09, 2014, 05:33:55 PM

Quote from: Yutaka on October 09, 2014, 05:32:08 PM
Quote from: Byrne on October 09, 2014, 05:30:15 PM
Quote from: Yutaka on October 09, 2014, 05:19:20 PM
Oh yea and PSU, my bad about my comment, acted too rash there, I'm still getting accustomed to the new responsibility of being a monitor, as well as the fact that being one means I have to change some of my posting habits.

I didn't mean to offend.
That's rather odd.

You'd think that if you wanted the Monitor status, you'd be extra guarded in your responses for at least a short while.
>.>
Habits are hard to change, I'm transitioning but its not something I can right off the bat without making my posts either boring and/or uptight.
Boring posts or doing your assigned job.
Ok. I guess that can be turned into sense somewhere.

Its either me sounding like a bot or a nonchalant mod.

Mat Cauthon · October 09, 2014, 05:36:26 PM

Quote from: Yutaka on October 09, 2014, 05:35:06 PM

Quote from: Byrne on October 09, 2014, 05:33:55 PM
Quote from: Yutaka on October 09, 2014, 05:32:08 PM
Quote from: Byrne on October 09, 2014, 05:30:15 PM
Quote from: Yutaka on October 09, 2014, 05:19:20 PM
Oh yea and PSU, my bad about my comment, acted too rash there, I'm still getting accustomed to the new responsibility of being a monitor, as well as the fact that being one means I have to change some of my posting habits.

I didn't mean to offend.
That's rather odd.

You'd think that if you wanted the Monitor status, you'd be extra guarded in your responses for at least a short while.
>.>
Habits are hard to change, I'm transitioning but its not something I can right off the bat without making my posts either boring and/or uptight.
Boring posts or doing your assigned job.
Ok. I guess that can be turned into sense somewhere.
Its either me sounding like a bot or a nonchalant mod.

Oh yes, that would be terrible.

The Hån · October 09, 2014, 05:40:56 PM

defuq is going on here?

Mr. Psychologist · October 09, 2014, 05:46:56 PM

Quote from: The Hån on October 09, 2014, 05:40:56 PM

defuq is going on here?

*Drama*

The Hån · October 09, 2014, 05:50:19 PM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 09, 2014, 05:46:56 PM

Quote from: The Hån on October 09, 2014, 05:40:56 PM
defuq is going on here?

*Drama*

what's up with this "post approval" shit?

Dustin · October 09, 2014, 05:51:47 PM

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Mr. Psychologist · October 09, 2014, 05:53:03 PM

Quote from: The Hån on October 09, 2014, 05:50:19 PM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 09, 2014, 05:46:56 PM
Quote from: The Hån on October 09, 2014, 05:40:56 PM
defuq is going on here?

*Drama*

what's up with this "post approval" shit?

Are you getting them through alerts?

Mr. Psychologist · October 09, 2014, 05:54:08 PM

Quote from: MyNameIsDustin on October 09, 2014, 05:51:47 PM

Quote from: The Hån on October 09, 2014, 05:50:19 PM
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 09, 2014, 05:46:56 PM
Quote from: The Hån on October 09, 2014, 05:40:56 PM
defuq is going on here?

*Drama*

what's up with this "post approval" shit?
It's your answer to "what's going on here." They told you it was drama because they know you wouldn't like what's really going on.

Or it's because I can't be bothered to type it out for the 14th time today. I've been at this crap for 8 hours now and I'm getting a little weary of it.

I'll explain it briefly when I've had a break Han <.<

challengerX · October 09, 2014, 05:55:51 PM

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The Hån · October 09, 2014, 05:56:33 PM

Quote from: MyNameIsDustin on October 09, 2014, 05:51:47 PM

Quote from: The Hån on October 09, 2014, 05:50:19 PM
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 09, 2014, 05:46:56 PM
Quote from: The Hån on October 09, 2014, 05:40:56 PM
defuq is going on here?

*Drama*

what's up with this "post approval" shit?
It's your answer to "what's going on here." They told you it was drama because they know you wouldn't like what's really going on.

ok, so what's going on here dustin? i just got back from school, and i see some mod biasm shit. i see PSU shit. I see no rights shit. i see topic approval shit. when did all this crap happen?

The Hån · October 09, 2014, 05:58:06 PM

Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 09, 2014, 05:54:08 PM

Quote from: MyNameIsDustin on October 09, 2014, 05:51:47 PM
Quote from: The Hån on October 09, 2014, 05:50:19 PM
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 09, 2014, 05:46:56 PM
Quote from: The Hån on October 09, 2014, 05:40:56 PM
defuq is going on here?

*Drama*

what's up with this "post approval" shit?
It's your answer to "what's going on here." They told you it was drama because they know you wouldn't like what's really going on.

Or it's because I can't be bothered to type it out for the 14th time today. I've been at this crap for 8 hours now and I'm getting a little weary of it.

I'll explain it briefly when I've had a break Han <.<

it's ok m8. i hate reiterating the same story as well.

also no. i'm not getting any alerts for opsting approval. i just see others complaining about it.

Luke · October 09, 2014, 05:58:55 PM

oh the drama >.>

Mr. Psychologist · October 09, 2014, 05:59:54 PM

Quote from: The Hån on October 09, 2014, 05:56:33 PM

The brief version of today's events is thus.

More drama and shit stirring among members targeting Kiyo and Noelle, again, resulting in a sprawl of threads. Stricter and clearer rules are implemented to allow for targeting of personal attacks and to patch holes in the CoC that existed because it hadn't been updated in a long time. Then some tantruming from various users, people 'leaving', more arguing and then claims of moderator bias over how some of these threads were handled.