Its not like people were calling for her execution. No one forced her from the community. She just wasn't the best choice for mod. That's it. She had multiple chances to demonstrate she had the professionalism necessary for a moderation position. More than a lot of other people would have for doing the same shit. She didn't take any of those chances.

At the end of the day the demotion lies at her feet. Some people can accept that and learn from it. Others cannot. People can continue to paint this however they like. I'm sure there will be people who act like she was a complete monster, and I'm sure her friends will act like she's a complete saint. At the end of the day this stuff doesn't just fall out of the sky. The way you treat others and conduct yourself has repercussions. Especially if you are in a position of power and are representing the site.

Go back to Gaming you whore.

Quote from: True Turquoise on January 17, 2015, 01:25:24 PM

Go back to Gaming you whore.

Spoiler

Don't make me come back there

It's a shame to see Kiyo go. I enjoyed her presence.

Of course she would.

I can't wait to become a mod.

I'd like to thank Cheat, Gatsby, Tru, Nasty, Koala, Tweiners, Osskunt and everyone on sep7 for my promotion.

2025 already? Man how the time flies.

I had no beef with her personally, although she might not have been the person most suited to be a mod. If she has personal issues then that is worrying, but it wouldn't justify her staying in the position. There are members who are "worse" so to speak, but they're not in positions of power. That's what it comes down to, really.

A shame she decided to delete her account because of it, though.

With Kiyo's account gone, that ushers me into the top 30 most frequent posters.

I wish I could be happier about that <_<

And she got banned on b.net too. LOL

Heh, what'd she do over there?

Quote from: Verbatim on January 17, 2015, 04:32:55 PM

With Kiyo's account gone, that ushers me into the top 30 most frequent posters.

I wish I could be happier about that <_<

How can you tell

If you click "posts" it'll reorder the list from alphabetical order to number of posts in descending order.

I'll be at the very bottom of the first page, and each page contains thirty users...

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Quote from: Sandtrap on January 17, 2015, 01:46:40 AM

Fine. You folks keep holding your fucking grudges. Not my fucking business. The past isn't either because I wasn't around for it. And once again none of you seem to fucking get it.

"the past"

You mean fucking yesterday?

Well considering it's yesterday, you're damn fucking right it's the past. It's done and over with now to be sure.

Yep. Time to let it go, Sandtrap.

You remember when Dusty boy single handedly sunk the fundraiser a friend of mine set up over at Bungie? It took me a day to cool my shit off. One day, and things were back to normal.

I acknowledge that dusty boy is spiteful grudge holding sack of old sacks and that he's a "troll." But I hold no ill will and don't go out of my way to attack him. It took me one day to get over the fact that he wandered over there and sunk a thread.

I don't hold grudges. Not for long. And either should you folks.

But it's your choice. See where it fucking gets you. Toxicity breeds more toxicity. Just you fucking watch.

>accusations

This was Cheat's decision. Take it up with him. Don't drag the rest of us into your bullshit.

I won't. But considering that there's still worse folks wandering around here, and the way this community treats people, both people inside the community, and newcomers, is a tell of what's going to happen in the future. This place is not a welcoming place.

It's not a welcoming place for people who've been here for a while because you get drama and shit like this. And it's not welcoming for outsiders because the community itself is inherently hostile on almost every level. So shit's a mess now. Well, actually it isn't. Not for you folks. Kiyo is long gone at this point. And unfortunatly for me I'm her friend and I'm damn worried about what's up on her end of things now. So that's my business now. Keep an eye out and make sure things are okay and help if I can because I can tell she's in a really bad way right now.

And as for this place? Well, just you wait. Mark my fucking words. This has nothing to do with this latest batch of drama. This has to do with the fact that overall and in general, this place is hostile on all fronts. And just like Kiyo getting what she put out, this place will too.

And, like Kiyo, it has good sides. But it's going to fall apart. This place has made that abundantly clear by now.

How is a staff member actively harassing users welcoming?

How is a community that flames unconditionally without thinking welcoming. I'll level with you here. I've been talking to somebody in private here. And you know what? They want to contribute to this place. They want to start a project here and they want to share it here.

But they're afraid that if this place knew who they were the project would go up and flames because of spiteful people and people in general who wouldn't give a second glance at things before throwing shit.

I know it's not an excuse for Kiyo. But at the same time you can't dump all the blame. People can be warped. They can be twisted and broken. What they go through can put them into bad states of mind. Mood swings. These states come and go like a light switch and the more depressed you are the stronger they get. And it manifests differently in every single person.

With me, I get irritable. I'm always on the verge of losing my shit and I feel the need to abandon everything and just disappear. And with Kiyo, I guess her anger for something manifested differently. But the point is. The point I'm trying to make here is that instead of looking past what they knew. Instead of perpetrating a viscous cycle.

People could look at Kiyo and ask why. It doesn't excuse what's she's done. But sometimes people do shitty things because they're the product of something shitty and all they've ever known was a shitty experience. With people like that, you do not attack them. Because in some strange way that's what they want. It's hardwired into their psyche.

They've been treated like trash for so long and so much and it leaves a mark on their psyche and they sub-consciously attack themselves. And people, being people, never see that. They slip into hate so easy and they give that hate without ever really seeing what they're doing.

That's why I'm upset here. I agree that if you do shitty things it will come around and bite you in the ass. But if the community wasn't so simple minded maybe we could have worked things out. I've been around people like this before. They snap on you out of the blue even if you're nice to them and they want you to attack them.

That's when you show restraint. That's when you back off and you don't take the bait because if you do then you're getting caught in their trap that they're not even aware of because it's all sub-conscious.

The community tried multiple times to work things out. Kiyo continually did not show restraint. It's baffling that you can think she is in any way the victim here.

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Quote from: Sandtrap on January 17, 2015, 01:46:40 AM

Fine. You folks keep holding your fucking grudges. Not my fucking business. The past isn't either because I wasn't around for it. And once again none of you seem to fucking get it.

"the past"

You mean fucking yesterday?

Well considering it's yesterday, you're damn fucking right it's the past. It's done and over with now to be sure.

Yep. Time to let it go, Sandtrap.

You remember when Dusty boy single handedly sunk the fundraiser a friend of mine set up over at Bungie? It took me a day to cool my shit off. One day, and things were back to normal.

I acknowledge that dusty boy is spiteful grudge holding sack of old sacks and that he's a "troll." But I hold no ill will and don't go out of my way to attack him. It took me one day to get over the fact that he wandered over there and sunk a thread.

I don't hold grudges. Not for long. And either should you folks.

But it's your choice. See where it fucking gets you. Toxicity breeds more toxicity. Just you fucking watch.

>accusations

This was Cheat's decision. Take it up with him. Don't drag the rest of us into your bullshit.

I won't. But considering that there's still worse folks wandering around here, and the way this community treats people, both people inside the community, and newcomers, is a tell of what's going to happen in the future. This place is not a welcoming place.

It's not a welcoming place for people who've been here for a while because you get drama and shit like this. And it's not welcoming for outsiders because the community itself is inherently hostile on almost every level. So shit's a mess now. Well, actually it isn't. Not for you folks. Kiyo is long gone at this point. And unfortunatly for me I'm her friend and I'm damn worried about what's up on her end of things now. So that's my business now. Keep an eye out and make sure things are okay and help if I can because I can tell she's in a really bad way right now.

And as for this place? Well, just you wait. Mark my fucking words. This has nothing to do with this latest batch of drama. This has to do with the fact that overall and in general, this place is hostile on all fronts. And just like Kiyo getting what she put out, this place will too.

And, like Kiyo, it has good sides. But it's going to fall apart. This place has made that abundantly clear by now.

How is a staff member actively harassing users welcoming?

How is a community that flames unconditionally without thinking welcoming. I'll level with you here. I've been talking to somebody in private here. And you know what? They want to contribute to this place. They want to start a project here and they want to share it here.

But they're afraid that if this place knew who they were the project would go up and flames because of spiteful people and people in general who wouldn't give a second glance at things before throwing shit.

I know it's not an excuse for Kiyo. But at the same time you can't dump all the blame. People can be warped. They can be twisted and broken. What they go through can put them into bad states of mind. Mood swings. These states come and go like a light switch and the more depressed you are the stronger they get. And it manifests differently in every single person.

With me, I get irritable. I'm always on the verge of losing my shit and I feel the need to abandon everything and just disappear. And with Kiyo, I guess her anger for something manifested differently. But the point is. The point I'm trying to make here is that instead of looking past what they knew. Instead of perpetrating a viscous cycle.

People could look at Kiyo and ask why. It doesn't excuse what's she's done. But sometimes people do shitty things because they're the product of something shitty and all they've ever known was a shitty experience. With people like that, you do not attack them. Because in some strange way that's what they want. It's hardwired into their psyche.

They've been treated like trash for so long and so much and it leaves a mark on their psyche and they sub-consciously attack themselves. And people, being people, never see that. They slip into hate so easy and they give that hate without ever really seeing what they're doing.

That's why I'm upset here. I agree that if you do shitty things it will come around and bite you in the ass. But if the community wasn't so simple minded maybe we could have worked things out. I've been around people like this before. They snap on you out of the blue even if you're nice to them and they want you to attack them.

That's when you show restraint. That's when you back off and you don't take the bait because if you do then you're getting caught in their trap that they're not even aware of because it's all sub-conscious.

The community tried multiple times to work things out. Kiyo continually did not show restraint. It's baffling that you can think she is in any way the victim here.

Sandtrap If you were really such fantastic friends with kiyo why don't you have another way to contact her...

I don't remember you getting any flaming or hostility posting all your threads trying to get sympathy from people, now that your friend who was a shitty mod nuked HER OWN account, we're all terrible people?

I think this thread needs to die. :/

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Quote from: Sandtrap on January 17, 2015, 01:46:40 AM

Fine. You folks keep holding your fucking grudges. Not my fucking business. The past isn't either because I wasn't around for it. And once again none of you seem to fucking get it.

"the past"

You mean fucking yesterday?

Well considering it's yesterday, you're damn fucking right it's the past. It's done and over with now to be sure.

Yep. Time to let it go, Sandtrap.

You remember when Dusty boy single handedly sunk the fundraiser a friend of mine set up over at Bungie? It took me a day to cool my shit off. One day, and things were back to normal.

I acknowledge that dusty boy is spiteful grudge holding sack of old sacks and that he's a "troll." But I hold no ill will and don't go out of my way to attack him. It took me one day to get over the fact that he wandered over there and sunk a thread.

I don't hold grudges. Not for long. And either should you folks.

But it's your choice. See where it fucking gets you. Toxicity breeds more toxicity. Just you fucking watch.

>accusations

This was Cheat's decision. Take it up with him. Don't drag the rest of us into your bullshit.

I won't. But considering that there's still worse folks wandering around here, and the way this community treats people, both people inside the community, and newcomers, is a tell of what's going to happen in the future. This place is not a welcoming place.

It's not a welcoming place for people who've been here for a while because you get drama and shit like this. And it's not welcoming for outsiders because the community itself is inherently hostile on almost every level. So shit's a mess now. Well, actually it isn't. Not for you folks. Kiyo is long gone at this point. And unfortunatly for me I'm her friend and I'm damn worried about what's up on her end of things now. So that's my business now. Keep an eye out and make sure things are okay and help if I can because I can tell she's in a really bad way right now.

And as for this place? Well, just you wait. Mark my fucking words. This has nothing to do with this latest batch of drama. This has to do with the fact that overall and in general, this place is hostile on all fronts. And just like Kiyo getting what she put out, this place will too.

And, like Kiyo, it has good sides. But it's going to fall apart. This place has made that abundantly clear by now.

How is a staff member actively harassing users welcoming?

How is a community that flames unconditionally without thinking welcoming. I'll level with you here. I've been talking to somebody in private here. And you know what? They want to contribute to this place. They want to start a project here and they want to share it here.

But they're afraid that if this place knew who they were the project would go up and flames because of spiteful people and people in general who wouldn't give a second glance at things before throwing shit.

I know it's not an excuse for Kiyo. But at the same time you can't dump all the blame. People can be warped. They can be twisted and broken. What they go through can put them into bad states of mind. Mood swings. These states come and go like a light switch and the more depressed you are the stronger they get. And it manifests differently in every single person.

With me, I get irritable. I'm always on the verge of losing my shit and I feel the need to abandon everything and just disappear. And with Kiyo, I guess her anger for something manifested differently. But the point is. The point I'm trying to make here is that instead of looking past what they knew. Instead of perpetrating a viscous cycle.

People could look at Kiyo and ask why. It doesn't excuse what's she's done. But sometimes people do shitty things because they're the product of something shitty and all they've ever known was a shitty experience. With people like that, you do not attack them. Because in some strange way that's what they want. It's hardwired into their psyche.

They've been treated like trash for so long and so much and it leaves a mark on their psyche and they sub-consciously attack themselves. And people, being people, never see that. They slip into hate so easy and they give that hate without ever really seeing what they're doing.

That's why I'm upset here. I agree that if you do shitty things it will come around and bite you in the ass. But if the community wasn't so simple minded maybe we could have worked things out. I've been around people like this before. They snap on you out of the blue even if you're nice to them and they want you to attack them.

That's when you show restraint. That's when you back off and you don't take the bait because if you do then you're getting caught in their trap that they're not even aware of because it's all sub-conscious.

The community tried multiple times to work things out. Kiyo continually did not show restraint. It's baffling that you can think she is in any way the victim here.

Sandtrap If you were really such fantastic friends with kiyo why don't you have another way to contact her...

I don't remember you getting any flaming or hostility posting all your threads trying to get sympathy from people, now that your friend who was a shitty mod nuked HER OWN account, we're all terrible people?

If you're trying to start shit don't bother. Yeah I've got more than one way to contact her and she torched all of them and went up and dissappeared like a ghost.

And I never said you folks were shitty. What I did say is that there was a part to play in all this for everybody and that it turned into the mess that it is now. And that's the end of it.

There's nothing left to be said here. You can keep making assumptions until you're blue in the face though if you want.

Have you considered that she nuked all her contact information as a means of making us feel guilty? Kiyo may have depression, but she's basically throwing a hissy fit.

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Quote from: Sandtrap on January 17, 2015, 01:46:40 AM

Fine. You folks keep holding your fucking grudges. Not my fucking business. The past isn't either because I wasn't around for it. And once again none of you seem to fucking get it.

"the past"

You mean fucking yesterday?

Well considering it's yesterday, you're damn fucking right it's the past. It's done and over with now to be sure.

Yep. Time to let it go, Sandtrap.

You remember when Dusty boy single handedly sunk the fundraiser a friend of mine set up over at Bungie? It took me a day to cool my shit off. One day, and things were back to normal.

I acknowledge that dusty boy is spiteful grudge holding sack of old sacks and that he's a "troll." But I hold no ill will and don't go out of my way to attack him. It took me one day to get over the fact that he wandered over there and sunk a thread.

I don't hold grudges. Not for long. And either should you folks.

But it's your choice. See where it fucking gets you. Toxicity breeds more toxicity. Just you fucking watch.

>accusations

This was Cheat's decision. Take it up with him. Don't drag the rest of us into your bullshit.

I won't. But considering that there's still worse folks wandering around here, and the way this community treats people, both people inside the community, and newcomers, is a tell of what's going to happen in the future. This place is not a welcoming place.

It's not a welcoming place for people who've been here for a while because you get drama and shit like this. And it's not welcoming for outsiders because the community itself is inherently hostile on almost every level. So shit's a mess now. Well, actually it isn't. Not for you folks. Kiyo is long gone at this point. And unfortunatly for me I'm her friend and I'm damn worried about what's up on her end of things now. So that's my business now. Keep an eye out and make sure things are okay and help if I can because I can tell she's in a really bad way right now.

And as for this place? Well, just you wait. Mark my fucking words. This has nothing to do with this latest batch of drama. This has to do with the fact that overall and in general, this place is hostile on all fronts. And just like Kiyo getting what she put out, this place will too.

And, like Kiyo, it has good sides. But it's going to fall apart. This place has made that abundantly clear by now.

How is a staff member actively harassing users welcoming?

How is a community that flames unconditionally without thinking welcoming. I'll level with you here. I've been talking to somebody in private here. And you know what? They want to contribute to this place. They want to start a project here and they want to share it here.

But they're afraid that if this place knew who they were the project would go up and flames because of spiteful people and people in general who wouldn't give a second glance at things before throwing shit.

I know it's not an excuse for Kiyo. But at the same time you can't dump all the blame. People can be warped. They can be twisted and broken. What they go through can put them into bad states of mind. Mood swings. These states come and go like a light switch and the more depressed you are the stronger they get. And it manifests differently in every single person.

With me, I get irritable. I'm always on the verge of losing my shit and I feel the need to abandon everything and just disappear. And with Kiyo, I guess her anger for something manifested differently. But the point is. The point I'm trying to make here is that instead of looking past what they knew. Instead of perpetrating a viscous cycle.

People could look at Kiyo and ask why. It doesn't excuse what's she's done. But sometimes people do shitty things because they're the product of something shitty and all they've ever known was a shitty experience. With people like that, you do not attack them. Because in some strange way that's what they want. It's hardwired into their psyche.

They've been treated like trash for so long and so much and it leaves a mark on their psyche and they sub-consciously attack themselves. And people, being people, never see that. They slip into hate so easy and they give that hate without ever really seeing what they're doing.

That's why I'm upset here. I agree that if you do shitty things it will come around and bite you in the ass. But if the community wasn't so simple minded maybe we could have worked things out. I've been around people like this before. They snap on you out of the blue even if you're nice to them and they want you to attack them.

That's when you show restraint. That's when you back off and you don't take the bait because if you do then you're getting caught in their trap that they're not even aware of because it's all sub-conscious.

The community tried multiple times to work things out. Kiyo continually did not show restraint. It's baffling that you can think she is in any way the victim here.

Sandtrap If you were really such fantastic friends with kiyo why don't you have another way to contact her...

I don't remember you getting any flaming or hostility posting all your threads trying to get sympathy from people, now that your friend who was a shitty mod nuked HER OWN account, we're all terrible people?

If you're trying to start shit don't bother. Yeah I've got more than one way to contact her and she torched all of them and went up and dissappeared like a ghost.

And I never said you folks were shitty. What I did say is that there was a part to play in all this for everybody and that it turned into the mess that it is now. And that's the end of it.

There's nothing left to be said here. You can keep making assumptions until you're blue in the face though if you want.

Have you considered that she nuked all her contact information as a means of making us feel guilty? Kiyo may have depression, but she's basically throwing a hissy fit.

How would it be a guilt trip if none of you folks even talk to her. No this isn't a guilt trip and I'll tell you why.

I get the same feeling when I'm on the shitty end of a mood swing these days. I want to dissappear. Clean everything out and just vanish. It's the need to just be solitary and away from it all.

But depending on how a person is feeling being solitary and cut off will either help them relax or it'll drag them down further. And it's not a guilt trip because folks have made it clear that they don't give two shits. So why bother guilt tripping people who don't care?

Simple answer. She's not. And it's not a guilt trip on friends either.

When you're in a shit state of mind and you're depressed, everything hits you harder. You become unstable and your reactions start to swing around like a yoyo way out of proportion. And that's what happened. Yes, you could call it a hissy fit. But it's a bad sign. It's a really bad sign. I mean she fucking cleared everything.

But at this point it doesn't matter. I'm the one that's going to keep an eye out and hope she shows up again because I know damn well that this was the last thing she needed right now. Hissy fit or karma, you can call it whatever the fuck you want but it doesn't change that it hit her hard.

Most folks may not care. But I do.

And all of you people here know that. If I ever have the ability to help in any way that I can for people I try my best. Even if it's the folks who have a bad name.