I don't understand what you guys see in Verbatim. He's just an asshole that pretends to know what he's talking about.

I couldn't agree more. That's why I voted to have him remain banned. In fact, he even got permabanned before, back when I first joined the site.

Granted I've been perma'd before too, but it was by request for awhile.

Quote from: Blazed Iron on January 23, 2017, 01:55:06 PM

I don't understand what you guys see in Verbatim. He's just an asshole that pretends to know what he's talking about.

You know, I'm sure in a lot of instances when looking at other members talk, if you take an outsider's stance on this, a lot of members might seem like assholes who pretend to know what they're talking about.

If you want some other reasons, personally, I don't think we should be so heavy on bans anymore. We're small enough as it is now that the last thing we need is to start the chopping block up and running.

And if you want my personal take on it, say whatever you will about either his past or present iterations of personality, at the very least, Verb is somebody you can have a discussion with. He's got his low points. Like I'm sure everybody here has had at one point. But on occassion he's got his upsides too.

His discussions are nothing more than trolling and outright refusal to converse in any meaningful context.

There are plenty of members here who have left because of him, it's a small community partly because of him.

Being a relentlessly negative twat doesn't make for a better forum.

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Quote from: Blazed Iron on January 23, 2017, 01:55:06 PM

I don't understand what you guys see in Verbatim. He's just an asshole that pretends to know what he's talking about.

You know, I'm sure in a lot of instances when looking at other members talk, if you take an outsider's stance on this, a lot of members might seem like assholes who pretend to know what they're talking about.

If you want some other reasons, personally, I don't think we should be so heavy on bans anymore. We're small enough as it is now that the last thing we need is to start the chopping block up and running.

And if you want my personal take on it, say whatever you will about either his past or present iterations of personality, at the very least, Verb is somebody you can have a discussion with. He's got his low points. Like I'm sure everybody here has had at one point. But on occassion he's got his upsides too.

His discussions are nothing more than trolling and outright refusal to converse in any meaningful context.

There are plenty of members here who have left because of him, it's a small community partly because of him.

Being a relentlessly negative twat doesn't make for a better forum.

This feeds into a point I was gonna make. This whole debacle just raises another point.

People taking things too seriously and forgetting the reality of this place. It's a place to talk and it has no physical bearing on you. It has no effect on you whatsoever unless you let it have one or somebody really goes out of their way to do shit like dox you.

But some guy writing mean words at you means jack shit. The same as trying so hard at "winning" any internet argument you stumble into.

I'll say that Verb is guilty of this. But when you look at it, those people who left didn't leave because of Verb. That's bullshit. He didn't hold a gun at them and say "get out." They chose to leave and Verb fit the bill as some form of validation of their choice to leave. If they left because of Verb then honestly, they were going to leave anyway.

When all you simply have to do is not read comments if you don't want to. You don't even have to respond. Hell, when you go through a lengthy thread, you skim sometimes right? That's all you've gotta do if you don't like somebody here. Just don't speak to em or acknowledge them. Exactly like dealing with people you don't particularily enjoy in the real world.

I also know that there is a certain limit to where you draw the line on taking something seriously. Doxxing people and getting personal with information and the like crosses a line.

But beyond that, people need to grow the fuck up here.

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Quote from: Blazed Iron on January 23, 2017, 01:55:06 PM

I don't understand what you guys see in Verbatim. He's just an asshole that pretends to know what he's talking about.

You know, I'm sure in a lot of instances when looking at other members talk, if you take an outsider's stance on this, a lot of members might seem like assholes who pretend to know what they're talking about.

If you want some other reasons, personally, I don't think we should be so heavy on bans anymore. We're small enough as it is now that the last thing we need is to start the chopping block up and running.

And if you want my personal take on it, say whatever you will about either his past or present iterations of personality, at the very least, Verb is somebody you can have a discussion with. He's got his low points. Like I'm sure everybody here has had at one point. But on occassion he's got his upsides too.

His discussions are nothing more than trolling and outright refusal to converse in any meaningful context.

There are plenty of members here who have left because of him, it's a small community partly because of him.

Being a relentlessly negative twat doesn't make for a better forum.

This feeds into a point I was gonna make. This whole debacle just raises another point.

People taking things too seriously and forgetting the reality of this place. It's a place to talk and it has no physical bearing on you. It has no effect on you whatsoever unless you let it have one or somebody really goes out of their way to do shit like dox you.

But some guy writing mean words at you means jack shit. The same as trying so hard at "winning" any internet argument you stumble into.

I'll say that Verb is guilty of this. But when you look at it, those people who left didn't leave because of Verb. That's bullshit. He didn't hold a gun at them and say "get out." They chose to leave and Verb fit the bill as some form of validation of their choice to leave. If they left because of Verb then honestly, they were going to leave anyway.

When all you simply have to do is not read comments if you don't want to. You don't even have to respond. Hell, when you go through a lengthy thread, you skim sometimes right? That's all you've gotta do if you don't like somebody here. Just don't speak to em or acknowledge them. Exactly like dealing with people you don't particularily enjoy in the real world.

I also know that there is a certain limit to where you draw the line on taking something seriously. Doxxing people and getting personal with information and the like crosses a line.

But beyond that, people need to grow the fuck up here.

You're right in that nothing verb says should have any bearing on anyone's state of mind, I ignore him for the most part and I don't generally draw his ire.

The problem with someone as active on this site as verb is that he's literally in every thread, he derails a ton of topics and is not shy about showing his dislike for certain members.

He honestly doesn't bother me but to say that people should just ignore him is silly.

He either is banned or not

50/50

Who knew we had 66 active members?

UNBAN HIM AND BAN LOAF YOU FUCKIN JEW

if i change my answer from no to yes will that count

Quote from: Blazed Iron on January 23, 2017, 01:55:06 PM

I don't understand what you guys see in Verbatim. He's just an asshole that pretends to know what he's talking about.

I don't see anything in him.

I just see a flaw in how moderation was practiced and he shouldn't be banned for it. Doesn't matter who it was, the ban was bullshit and I don't want others that I actually enjoy their presence to be banned under similar circumstances.

3 months for that is excessive. I mean I understand he has been a fire demon recently, but he really hates Trump, and now he is his president regardless of his awesome avatar and "not my president" custom title. I appreciate the memes man.

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Quote from: Blazed Iron on January 23, 2017, 01:55:06 PM

I don't understand what you guys see in Verbatim. He's just an asshole that pretends to know what he's talking about.

I don't see anything in him.

I just see a flaw in how moderation was practiced and he shouldn't be banned for it. Doesn't matter who it was, the ban was bullshit and I don't want others that I actually enjoy their presence to be banned under similar circumstances.

3 months for that is excessive. I mean I understand he has been a fire demon recently, but he really hates Trump, and now he is his president regardless of his awesome avatar and "not my president" custom title. I appreciate the memes man.

It's not just Trump, although that is a big part. Sometime's people have irl issues that translate into their attitudes. Everybody comes down on hard times, but that doesn't excuse anything. Verb did need to have a cooldown period, but two months (reduced to 1) is still too long without a sufficient ban/warn history to support it.

What? The guy was perma'd a while back. How's that for a sufficient ban history?

Bans are typically handled with increasing lengths with continued rule breaking. First warnings, then a lite ban, then a day or three, then a week, etc. Accord to Psy, this past year he had one ban and a couple of warnings that would have added up to two days. Even taking the specific instance that resulted in the ban, anything more than two weeks is excessive.

Here's the post:

I've said before it was fucking stupid and I'll say it again.

Previously, when people have had lengthy bans there is a long history of recent escalating offences to justify it.

I.e 1 day, 2 days, 3 days, 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month etc. Usually for the exact same shit like meatspin or flaming.



Verb's ban history for the last 12 months prior to this ban has one day in it and a handful of warnings.

From the start of 2016, through to the start of 2017 he was banned for one day with enough warning points to add up to two days.

A week would have more than sufficed to get the point across.

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Quote from: Blazed Iron on January 23, 2017, 01:55:06 PM

I don't understand what you guys see in Verbatim. He's just an asshole that pretends to know what he's talking about.

I don't see anything in him.

I just see a flaw in how moderation was practiced and he shouldn't be banned for it. Doesn't matter who it was, the ban was bullshit and I don't want others that I actually enjoy their presence to be banned under similar circumstances.

3 months for that is excessive. I mean I understand he has been a fire demon recently, but he really hates Trump, and now he is his president regardless of his awesome avatar and "not my president" custom title. I appreciate the memes man.

It's not just Trump, although that is a big part. Sometime's people have irl issues that translate into their attitudes. Everybody comes down on hard times, but that doesn't excuse anything. Verb did need to have a cooldown period, but two months (reduced to 1) is still too long without a sufficient ban/warn history to support it.

What? The guy was perma'd a while back. How's that for a sufficient ban history?

Bans are typically handled with increasing lengths with continued rule breaking. First warnings, then a lite ban, then a day or three, then a week, etc. Accord to Psy, this past year he had one ban and a couple of warnings that would have added up to two days. Even taking the specific instance that resulted in the ban, anything more than two weeks is excessive.

Two weeks isn't enough if you're being that much of a prick, sorry.

Then it's a failure in consistent moderation and rules then.

There isn't a rule about being a prick, and even then he wasn't warned or banned previously for being a prick.

Fuck, even Kinder didn't get a final permaban for being a prick despite being one, he ended up doxing for his ban iirc.