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I would choose Vader to protect me, he can easily kill all the others. His force abilities allow him to sense their presence, so Predator's cloaking would be useless, he can use the force to stop bullets, so a lot of those would be useless. A lightsaber would slice right through Wolverine's blades.
I think I'd choose Vader too.


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I would choose Vader to protect me, he can easily kill all the others. His force abilities allow him to sense their presence, so Predator's cloaking would be useless, he can use the force to stop bullets, so a lot of those would be useless. A lightsaber would slice right through Wolverine's blades.
that and he has an army


 
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The only one there to actually trouble Vader, is Wolverine,

So Vader.


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We've been down this road before. Wolverine and Vader are the only two who would succeed. The problem with Vader, is that he can grow tired. And, fighting against wolverine, a man who can regenerate, is a problem. Unless Vader can pin and disable wolverine, it's going to be a long fucking fight.

However, if you've got wolvers on your side, he could potentially kill all other 8, but you'd have to move and run in order to do so, since in the fight, he'll probably be put out of commission for brief moments.

But, overall, Vader is a complete powerhouse. Don't let the old movies fool you. He's a cyborg with the strength and speed to match general grievous, and has access to the power of the force and is a ridiculous swordsmith.


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Doesn't even have any damn powers and refuses to kill people. Lol, I'm staying with Vader


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everyone saying vader, which seems kinda crazy to me because the only vader i have seen is from the movies(like the post a few above mentions) and he walks like an old man, moves very slow ect.

Can anyone describe to me how powerful vader really is and give me some feats? so far i'm going with wolverine.


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We've been down this road before. Wolverine and Vader are the only two who would succeed. The problem with Vader, is that he can grow tired. And, fighting against wolverine, a man who can regenerate, is a problem. Unless Vader can pin and disable wolverine, it's going to be a long fucking fight.

However, if you've got wolvers on your side, he could potentially kill all other 8, but you'd have to move and run in order to do so, since in the fight, he'll probably be put out of commission for brief moments.

But, overall, Vader is a complete powerhouse. Don't let the old movies fool you. He's a cyborg with the strength and speed to match general grievous, and has access to the power of the force and is a ridiculous swordsmith.
But Vader can just cut Wolverine's claws off with his lightsaber, at that point it's pretty much over.


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everyone saying vader, which seems kinda crazy to me because the only vader i have seen is from the movies(like the post a few above mentions) and he walks like an old man, moves very slow ect.

Can anyone describe to me how powerful vader really is and give me some feats? so far i'm going with wolverine.

I could list you everything Vader is capable of, but the TL:DR even without using the wiki would be immense. He is, without a doubt, one of the strongest Sith lords to have ever wlaked the galaxy.


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Don't know why people are overhyping Vader. Everyone seems to forget that post Mustafar his powers were severely curtailed. He can't move very well. He can't react very well. He's basically a giant black asthmatic dildo target for anyone who employs stealth as a tactic. At range he'd be decent no doubt, but in close quarters he'd get absolutely rekt by Wolverine. Hell, Batman/Predator could give him a run for his money if they gave him the jump.

And no, force powers do not automatically give him clairvoyance. He can only detect other force users. So stealth is still a viable option here.
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Don't know why people are overhyping Vader. Everyone seems to forget that post Mustafar his powers were severely curtailed. He can't move very well. He can't react very well. He's basically a giant black asthmatic dildo target for anyone who employs stealth as a tactic. At range he'd be decent no doubt, but in close quarters he'd get absolutely rekt by Wolverine. Hell, Batman/Predator could give him a run for his money if they gave him the jump.

And no, force powers do not automatically give him clairvoyance. He can only detect other force users. So stealth is still a viable option here.

I swear to god don't make me quote the fucking wiki in this shit. Vader has this in the bag.


 
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Don't know why people are overhyping Vader. Everyone seems to forget that post Mustafar his powers were severely curtailed. He can't move very well. He can't react very well. He's basically a giant black asthmatic dildo target for anyone who employs stealth as a tactic. At range he'd be decent no doubt, but in close quarters he'd get absolutely rekt by Wolverine. Hell, Batman/Predator could give him a run for his money if they gave him the jump.

And no, force powers do not automatically give him clairvoyance. He can only detect other force users. So stealth is still a viable option here.

I swear to god don't make me quote the fucking wiki in this shit. Vader has this in the bag.

But is any of that actually canon though?


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Don't know why people are overhyping Vader. Everyone seems to forget that post Mustafar his powers were severely curtailed. He can't move very well. He can't react very well. He's basically a giant black asthmatic dildo target for anyone who employs stealth as a tactic. At range he'd be decent no doubt, but in close quarters he'd get absolutely rekt by Wolverine. Hell, Batman/Predator could give him a run for his money if they gave him the jump.

And no, force powers do not automatically give him clairvoyance. He can only detect other force users. So stealth is still a viable option here.

I swear to god don't make me quote the fucking wiki in this shit. Vader has this in the bag.
I've read the wiki. It already elaborates that he's half the Sith Lord that he could've been were he not immolated on Mustafar. Apparently he focused more on light saber skills rather than force skills too. It's not exactly convincing me, but sure, if all the other opponents decided to attack him from afar in one big line, he could win. But that's a relatively unrealistic scenario, not to mention that it basically disregards everyone else' character.

I can see him taking down the street level guys like Hellboy, Marv and Dredd no problem. And yeah, he could probably shit on Batman and Predator too. But Wolverine? He's basically an invulnerable Batman on roids. There's nothing that Vader has in his repertoire that could kill him. Incapacitate him maybe, but that's assuming Logan attacks him head on without any forward planning. The dude's basically a ninja, taught in multiple forms of martial and escape artistry during his escapades in Japan. If he doesn't want Vader to spot him, Vader will not spot him. And given that Vader's suit isn't exactly renown for it's durability, it's safe to assume that Logan takes this relatively easily.
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Don't know why people are overhyping Vader. Everyone seems to forget that post Mustafar his powers were severely curtailed. He can't move very well. He can't react very well. He's basically a giant black asthmatic dildo target for anyone who employs stealth as a tactic. At range he'd be decent no doubt, but in close quarters he'd get absolutely rekt by Wolverine. Hell, Batman/Predator could give him a run for his money if they gave him the jump.

And no, force powers do not automatically give him clairvoyance. He can only detect other force users. So stealth is still a viable option here.

I swear to god don't make me quote the fucking wiki in this shit. Vader has this in the bag.

But is any of that actually canon though?

That's actually a good point. Since Disney gutted just about everything, essentally, Vader is a blank slate now. But you know what? Fuck it. You want a wall of China?

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Don't know why people are overhyping Vader. Everyone seems to forget that post Mustafar his powers were severely curtailed. He can't move very well. He can't react very well. He's basically a giant black asthmatic dildo target for anyone who employs stealth as a tactic. At range he'd be decent no doubt, but in close quarters he'd get absolutely rekt by Wolverine. Hell, Batman/Predator could give him a run for his money if they gave him the jump.

And no, force powers do not automatically give him clairvoyance. He can only detect other force users. So stealth is still a viable option here.

I swear to god don't make me quote the fucking wiki in this shit. Vader has this in the bag.
I've read the wiki. It already elaborates that he's half the Sith Lord that he could've been were he not immolated on Mustafar. Apparently he focused more on light saber skills rather than force skills too. It's not exactly convincing me, but sure, if all the other opponents decided to attack him from afar in one big line, he could win. But that's a relatively unrealistic scenario, not to mention that it basically disregards everyone else' character.

I can see him taking down the street level guys like Hellboy, Marv and Dredd no problem. And yeah, he could probably shit on Batman and Predator too. But Wolverine? He's basically an invulnerable Batman on roids. There's nothing that Vader has in his repertoire that could kill him. Incapacitate him maybe, but that's assuming Logan attacks him head on without any forward planning. The dude's basically a ninja, taught in multiple forms of martial and escape artistry during his escapades in Japan. If he doesn't want Vader to spot him, Vader will not spot him. And given that Vader's suit isn't exactly renown for it's durability, it's safe to assume that Logan takes this relatively easily.

Vader focused a lot on saber combat, but that doesn't mean his force abilities weren't incredibly powerful. Even when sapped of strength, his abilities aren't something you fuck around with.

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Darth Vader made extensive use of both the Force Choke and Force Crush abilities, as he demonstrated numerous times throughout his life. On a similar note, he was also capable of using the Force to telekinetically destroy a target's internal organs.

The Dark Lord also possessed skill in the use of Tutaminis, such as when he absorbed several blaster bolts from Han Solo's blaster on Bespin.

He was also capable of using Force deflection to redirect blaster bolts, sometimes even at whomever fired them.

He also had proficiency in the use of Kinetite, which he used in an attempt to defeat his son on Mimban.

However, that power only demonstrated once, when he used the Force enhancing Kaiburr. Vader also used a similar power to Force Destruction when facing Galen Marek on the first Death Star. In this instance, he would surround himself with a red energy field which he would then unleash at Marek. On a similar note, the aforementioned energy field also functioned as a barrier that Marek could not penetrate with either the Force or his lightsaber. Thus it would appear that Vader retained his skill at creating Force barriers.

 In addition, he utilized either a semi-visible Force barrier or a protection bubble several times during the Gentis coup to fend off the attacks of Gentis's traitorous soldiers. Vader also knew how to utilize the Force cloak technique, having both applied it as Anakin and taught it to the Dark Apprentice.


The Dark Lord could also use telepathy, such as when he communicated with his son shortly after their duel on Bespin.

Vader demonstrated the ability to drain knowledge from his victims opponents, such as when he discovered that Luke had a twin sister. Vader was also adept at saber throw, which he would often utilize in combat to make up for his relative lack of mobility.

After Vader's injuries, his natural strength was vastly augmented by the addition of his cybernetic enhancements. In addition, Vader retained the ability to increase his strength and speed by using the Force. He showcased on multiple occasions the ability to both lift and hold a grown man off the ground at arm's length with no apparent effort. As he demonstrated on Captain Raymus Antilles and Shadday Potkin among others, he also had the ability to crush a human throat bare-handed.

 Vader also demonstrated remarkable physical durability and resistance to pain throughout his time as a Sith. On at least two occasions, he was stabbed straight through the chest with both a lightsaber and a vibroblade, and hardly reacted in either case.

 Additionally, his prosthetics and armor allowed him to survive deadly environmental hazards such as explosions, toxins, diseases, and even the vacuum of space. It also provided Vader with a constant supply of pain suppressing drugs to help him function with his wounds. However, the suit was only moderately insulated, and thus its life-support systems were relatively vulnerable to electrical discharges.

While Vader was usually dependent on the respirator systems of the suit to breath, he was capable of using the dark side to temporarily heal his lung damage during his meditations. However, the relief he experienced during these sessions was very transient, lasting only minutes at best. He speculated that the momentary happiness he experienced as a result of healing himself disrupted his concentration, and robbed him of the hate that was necessary to maintain the dark side-based healing power.

During his mission to Atoa however, his deranged state of mind and immense rage apparently allowed him to use this healing technique to a far greater degree. In this instance, he was seen to operate in standard atmospheric conditions for a considerable length of time without his helmet, even while physically exerting himself.

Besides the life support it provided his ravaged body, Vader's Sith armor also offered limited protection against the blades of lightsabers. In a climactic duel with his son in the depths of Cloud City, a quick blow from Luke's lightsaber appeared to cut the armor only shallowly, although this was enough to draw a surprised cry from the Dark Lord. However, most of the armor was purposely made out of non-lightsaber resistant material, as Vader worried that he might grow sloppy if he relied too much on his armor to protect him in duels.

It should be noted that Darth Vader, despite being a powerful Sith Lord, was rarely seen generating Force lightning. This was due to the extensive presence of cybernetic augmentations in his body as well as the presence of the electronic life-support system in his suit. Any attempt by Vader to generate Force lightning carried the great risk of causing these systems to short-circuit, possibly to deadly effect. There are however, a few circumstances where he has been recorded using it, most notably when he was in close proximity to the Force-enhancing Kaiburr crystal.

In this case, he was seen to generate "Force energized lightning" in the form of Kinetite, which he used against his son.

The crystal however, was also seen to erode Vader's self control to the point that he was actively trying to kill Luke during their duel, despite the fact that he very much wanted only to capture him. Thus, it is not known whether the crystal shielded Vader from the potentially fatal effects of generating Force lightning, or eroded his self control to the point that he simply disregarded the risks.

On one occasion, he also demonstrated the ability to re-direct already existing electricity. During his battle with Starkiller on Kamino, he was able to gather residual electricity from the lightning rods surrounding the battleground and blast it at his opponent. Vader also demonstrated the ability to both block and redirect Force lightning with the Force, as he demonstrated during his duel with Galen Marek on board the first Death Star. He could also use his lightsaber to ground extremely high-intensity blasts of Force lightning with little effort.

In combat, Vader was extremely adept at utilizing telekinetic attacks, and often made liberal use of his telekinetic abilities during duels. He was capable of performing incredibly powerful Force Pushes and Grips, and was capable of breaking through the telekinetic defenses of Force-sensitives of Galen Marek and the cloned Starkiller's caliber. He was also very proficient in the application of Force Repulse and Force Wave, and was able to generate enough power with both attacks to easily kill Force-insensitive assailants. In particular, he was capable of using Force Waves to kill dozens of opponents simultaneously.

 One of Vader's favorite tactics during duels was his use of Force Throw to pull apart objects in his environment and fling them at his opponents. This served as both an effective practical attack and a way of demoralizing his opponents. Darth Vader first utilized this technique during his duel on Mustafar with Obi-Wan Kenobi, slicing shards of metal from the walls and shooting them at his opponent. However, Kenobi's mastery of Soresu allowed him to deflect the shards.

 After gaining his armor, Darth Vader used this tactic to bring down Roan Shryne on Kashyyyk, ripping apart the wooden platforms in their battleground and flinging waves of debris at the Jedi from all sides. His most arguably famous usage of this ability was against Luke Skywalker during their duel on Bespin, when he used it to batter Skywalker with everything and anything that happened to be in the room they were in.

 His effectiveness with this technique was further bolstered by the fact that he was capable of telekinetically griping and hurling objects without the need to utilize the "throwing" motion that nearly all Force sensitives were seen to use. This was most evident during his fight with Luke on Bespin, where he was able to surprise his son by telekinetically throwing a metal box at his head while maintaining a two-handed bladelock.

 Additionally, when applying this technique against Roan Shryne, Vader simply stood in one place with his arms folded across his chest.

If you made it through that wall alive, then you know, that even though Logan is nigh unstoppable, Vader has this in the fucking bag, no contest.
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Don't know why people are overhyping Vader. Everyone seems to forget that post Mustafar his powers were severely curtailed. He can't move very well. He can't react very well. He's basically a giant black asthmatic dildo target for anyone who employs stealth as a tactic. At range he'd be decent no doubt, but in close quarters he'd get absolutely rekt by Wolverine. Hell, Batman/Predator could give him a run for his money if they gave him the jump.

And no, force powers do not automatically give him clairvoyance. He can only detect other force users. So stealth is still a viable option here.

I swear to god don't make me quote the fucking wiki in this shit. Vader has this in the bag.
I've read the wiki. It already elaborates that he's half the Sith Lord that he could've been were he not immolated on Mustafar. Apparently he focused more on light saber skills rather than force skills too. It's not exactly convincing me, but sure, if all the other opponents decided to attack him from afar in one big line, he could win. But that's a relatively unrealistic scenario, not to mention that it basically disregards everyone else' character.

I can see him taking down the street level guys like Hellboy, Marv and Dredd no problem. And yeah, he could probably shit on Batman and Predator too. But Wolverine? He's basically an invulnerable Batman on roids. There's nothing that Vader has in his repertoire that could kill him. Incapacitate him maybe, but that's assuming Logan attacks him head on without any forward planning. The dude's basically a ninja, taught in multiple forms of martial and escape artistry during his escapades in Japan. If he doesn't want Vader to spot him, Vader will not spot him. And given that Vader's suit isn't exactly renown for it's durability, it's safe to assume that Logan takes this relatively easily.

Vader focused a lot on saber combat, but that doesn't mean his force abilities weren't incredibly powerful. Even when sapped of strength, his abilities aren't something you fuck around with.

Spoiler
Darth Vader made extensive use of both the Force Choke and Force Crush abilities, as he demonstrated numerous times throughout his life. On a similar note, he was also capable of using the Force to telekinetically destroy a target's internal organs.

The Dark Lord also possessed skill in the use of Tutaminis, such as when he absorbed several blaster bolts from Han Solo's blaster on Bespin.

He was also capable of using Force deflection to redirect blaster bolts, sometimes even at whomever fired them.

He also had proficiency in the use of Kinetite, which he used in an attempt to defeat his son on Mimban.

However, that power only demonstrated once, when he used the Force enhancing Kaiburr. Vader also used a similar power to Force Destruction when facing Galen Marek on the first Death Star. In this instance, he would surround himself with a red energy field which he would then unleash at Marek. On a similar note, the aforementioned energy field also functioned as a barrier that Marek could not penetrate with either the Force or his lightsaber. Thus it would appear that Vader retained his skill at creating Force barriers.

 In addition, he utilized either a semi-visible Force barrier or a protection bubble several times during the Gentis coup to fend off the attacks of Gentis's traitorous soldiers. Vader also knew how to utilize the Force cloak technique, having both applied it as Anakin and taught it to the Dark Apprentice.


The Dark Lord could also use telepathy, such as when he communicated with his son shortly after their duel on Bespin.

Vader demonstrated the ability to drain knowledge from his victims opponents, such as when he discovered that Luke had a twin sister. Vader was also adept at saber throw, which he would often utilize in combat to make up for his relative lack of mobility.

After Vader's injuries, his natural strength was vastly augmented by the addition of his cybernetic enhancements. In addition, Vader retained the ability to increase his strength and speed by using the Force. He showcased on multiple occasions the ability to both lift and hold a grown man off the ground at arm's length with no apparent effort. As he demonstrated on Captain Raymus Antilles and Shadday Potkin among others, he also had the ability to crush a human throat bare-handed.

 Vader also demonstrated remarkable physical durability and resistance to pain throughout his time as a Sith. On at least two occasions, he was stabbed straight through the chest with both a lightsaber and a vibroblade, and hardly reacted in either case.

 Additionally, his prosthetics and armor allowed him to survive deadly environmental hazards such as explosions, toxins, diseases, and even the vacuum of space. It also provided Vader with a constant supply of pain suppressing drugs to help him function with his wounds. However, the suit was only moderately insulated, and thus its life-support systems were relatively vulnerable to electrical discharges.

While Vader was usually dependent on the respirator systems of the suit to breath, he was capable of using the dark side to temporarily heal his lung damage during his meditations. However, the relief he experienced during these sessions was very transient, lasting only minutes at best. He speculated that the momentary happiness he experienced as a result of healing himself disrupted his concentration, and robbed him of the hate that was necessary to maintain the dark side-based healing power.

During his mission to Atoa however, his deranged state of mind and immense rage apparently allowed him to use this healing technique to a far greater degree. In this instance, he was seen to operate in standard atmospheric conditions for a considerable length of time without his helmet, even while physically exerting himself.

Besides the life support it provided his ravaged body, Vader's Sith armor also offered limited protection against the blades of lightsabers. In a climactic duel with his son in the depths of Cloud City, a quick blow from Luke's lightsaber appeared to cut the armor only shallowly, although this was enough to draw a surprised cry from the Dark Lord. However, most of the armor was purposely made out of non-lightsaber resistant material, as Vader worried that he might grow sloppy if he relied too much on his armor to protect him in duels.

It should be noted that Darth Vader, despite being a powerful Sith Lord, was rarely seen generating Force lightning. This was due to the extensive presence of cybernetic augmentations in his body as well as the presence of the electronic life-support system in his suit. Any attempt by Vader to generate Force lightning carried the great risk of causing these systems to short-circuit, possibly to deadly effect. There are however, a few circumstances where he has been recorded using it, most notably when he was in close proximity to the Force-enhancing Kaiburr crystal.

In this case, he was seen to generate "Force energized lightning" in the form of Kinetite, which he used against his son.

The crystal however, was also seen to erode Vader's self control to the point that he was actively trying to kill Luke during their duel, despite the fact that he very much wanted only to capture him. Thus, it is not known whether the crystal shielded Vader from the potentially fatal effects of generating Force lightning, or eroded his self control to the point that he simply disregarded the risks.

On one occasion, he also demonstrated the ability to re-direct already existing electricity. During his battle with Starkiller on Kamino, he was able to gather residual electricity from the lightning rods surrounding the battleground and blast it at his opponent. Vader also demonstrated the ability to both block and redirect Force lightning with the Force, as he demonstrated during his duel with Galen Marek on board the first Death Star. He could also use his lightsaber to ground extremely high-intensity blasts of Force lightning with little effort.

In combat, Vader was extremely adept at utilizing telekinetic attacks, and often made liberal use of his telekinetic abilities during duels. He was capable of performing incredibly powerful Force Pushes and Grips, and was capable of breaking through the telekinetic defenses of Force-sensitives of Galen Marek and the cloned Starkiller's caliber. He was also very proficient in the application of Force Repulse and Force Wave, and was able to generate enough power with both attacks to easily kill Force-insensitive assailants. In particular, he was capable of using Force Waves to kill dozens of opponents simultaneously.

 One of Vader's favorite tactics during duels was his use of Force Throw to pull apart objects in his environment and fling them at his opponents. This served as both an effective practical attack and a way of demoralizing his opponents. Darth Vader first utilized this technique during his duel on Mustafar with Obi-Wan Kenobi, slicing shards of metal from the walls and shooting them at his opponent. However, Kenobi's mastery of Soresu allowed him to deflect the shards.

 After gaining his armor, Darth Vader used this tactic to bring down Roan Shryne on Kashyyyk, ripping apart the wooden platforms in their battleground and flinging waves of debris at the Jedi from all sides. His most arguably famous usage of this ability was against Luke Skywalker during their duel on Bespin, when he used it to batter Skywalker with everything and anything that happened to be in the room they were in.

 His effectiveness with this technique was further bolstered by the fact that he was capable of telekinetically griping and hurling objects without the need to utilize the "throwing" motion that nearly all Force sensitives were seen to use. This was most evident during his fight with Luke on Bespin, where he was able to surprise his son by telekinetically throwing a metal box at his head while maintaining a two-handed bladelock.

 Additionally, when applying this technique against Roan Shryne, Vader simply stood in one place with his arms folded across his chest.
I'm not saying it'd be a stroll for Wolverine, but given that his regular opponents in comic continuity are various telekinetics such as Magneto, Jean Grey, Apocalypse etc, it's not like he's never faced something like Vader before.

Also, like I said, Vader doesn't really have anything to kill him, or counter his stealth attacks. Unless they start on opposite sides of the arena in full view of each other, Logan could take him no hassle.
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Don't know why people are overhyping Vader. Everyone seems to forget that post Mustafar his powers were severely curtailed. He can't move very well. He can't react very well. He's basically a giant black asthmatic dildo target for anyone who employs stealth as a tactic. At range he'd be decent no doubt, but in close quarters he'd get absolutely rekt by Wolverine. Hell, Batman/Predator could give him a run for his money if they gave him the jump.

And no, force powers do not automatically give him clairvoyance. He can only detect other force users. So stealth is still a viable option here.

I swear to god don't make me quote the fucking wiki in this shit. Vader has this in the bag.
I've read the wiki. It already elaborates that he's half the Sith Lord that he could've been were he not immolated on Mustafar. Apparently he focused more on light saber skills rather than force skills too. It's not exactly convincing me, but sure, if all the other opponents decided to attack him from afar in one big line, he could win. But that's a relatively unrealistic scenario, not to mention that it basically disregards everyone else' character.

I can see him taking down the street level guys like Hellboy, Marv and Dredd no problem. And yeah, he could probably shit on Batman and Predator too. But Wolverine? He's basically an invulnerable Batman on roids. There's nothing that Vader has in his repertoire that could kill him. Incapacitate him maybe, but that's assuming Logan attacks him head on without any forward planning. The dude's basically a ninja, taught in multiple forms of martial and escape artistry during his escapades in Japan. If he doesn't want Vader to spot him, Vader will not spot him. And given that Vader's suit isn't exactly renown for it's durability, it's safe to assume that Logan takes this relatively easily.

Vader focused a lot on saber combat, but that doesn't mean his force abilities weren't incredibly powerful. Even when sapped of strength, his abilities aren't something you fuck around with.

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Darth Vader made extensive use of both the Force Choke and Force Crush abilities, as he demonstrated numerous times throughout his life. On a similar note, he was also capable of using the Force to telekinetically destroy a target's internal organs.

The Dark Lord also possessed skill in the use of Tutaminis, such as when he absorbed several blaster bolts from Han Solo's blaster on Bespin.

He was also capable of using Force deflection to redirect blaster bolts, sometimes even at whomever fired them.

He also had proficiency in the use of Kinetite, which he used in an attempt to defeat his son on Mimban.

However, that power only demonstrated once, when he used the Force enhancing Kaiburr. Vader also used a similar power to Force Destruction when facing Galen Marek on the first Death Star. In this instance, he would surround himself with a red energy field which he would then unleash at Marek. On a similar note, the aforementioned energy field also functioned as a barrier that Marek could not penetrate with either the Force or his lightsaber. Thus it would appear that Vader retained his skill at creating Force barriers.

 In addition, he utilized either a semi-visible Force barrier or a protection bubble several times during the Gentis coup to fend off the attacks of Gentis's traitorous soldiers. Vader also knew how to utilize the Force cloak technique, having both applied it as Anakin and taught it to the Dark Apprentice.


The Dark Lord could also use telepathy, such as when he communicated with his son shortly after their duel on Bespin.

Vader demonstrated the ability to drain knowledge from his victims opponents, such as when he discovered that Luke had a twin sister. Vader was also adept at saber throw, which he would often utilize in combat to make up for his relative lack of mobility.

After Vader's injuries, his natural strength was vastly augmented by the addition of his cybernetic enhancements. In addition, Vader retained the ability to increase his strength and speed by using the Force. He showcased on multiple occasions the ability to both lift and hold a grown man off the ground at arm's length with no apparent effort. As he demonstrated on Captain Raymus Antilles and Shadday Potkin among others, he also had the ability to crush a human throat bare-handed.

 Vader also demonstrated remarkable physical durability and resistance to pain throughout his time as a Sith. On at least two occasions, he was stabbed straight through the chest with both a lightsaber and a vibroblade, and hardly reacted in either case.

 Additionally, his prosthetics and armor allowed him to survive deadly environmental hazards such as explosions, toxins, diseases, and even the vacuum of space. It also provided Vader with a constant supply of pain suppressing drugs to help him function with his wounds. However, the suit was only moderately insulated, and thus its life-support systems were relatively vulnerable to electrical discharges.

While Vader was usually dependent on the respirator systems of the suit to breath, he was capable of using the dark side to temporarily heal his lung damage during his meditations. However, the relief he experienced during these sessions was very transient, lasting only minutes at best. He speculated that the momentary happiness he experienced as a result of healing himself disrupted his concentration, and robbed him of the hate that was necessary to maintain the dark side-based healing power.

During his mission to Atoa however, his deranged state of mind and immense rage apparently allowed him to use this healing technique to a far greater degree. In this instance, he was seen to operate in standard atmospheric conditions for a considerable length of time without his helmet, even while physically exerting himself.

Besides the life support it provided his ravaged body, Vader's Sith armor also offered limited protection against the blades of lightsabers. In a climactic duel with his son in the depths of Cloud City, a quick blow from Luke's lightsaber appeared to cut the armor only shallowly, although this was enough to draw a surprised cry from the Dark Lord. However, most of the armor was purposely made out of non-lightsaber resistant material, as Vader worried that he might grow sloppy if he relied too much on his armor to protect him in duels.

It should be noted that Darth Vader, despite being a powerful Sith Lord, was rarely seen generating Force lightning. This was due to the extensive presence of cybernetic augmentations in his body as well as the presence of the electronic life-support system in his suit. Any attempt by Vader to generate Force lightning carried the great risk of causing these systems to short-circuit, possibly to deadly effect. There are however, a few circumstances where he has been recorded using it, most notably when he was in close proximity to the Force-enhancing Kaiburr crystal.

In this case, he was seen to generate "Force energized lightning" in the form of Kinetite, which he used against his son.

The crystal however, was also seen to erode Vader's self control to the point that he was actively trying to kill Luke during their duel, despite the fact that he very much wanted only to capture him. Thus, it is not known whether the crystal shielded Vader from the potentially fatal effects of generating Force lightning, or eroded his self control to the point that he simply disregarded the risks.

On one occasion, he also demonstrated the ability to re-direct already existing electricity. During his battle with Starkiller on Kamino, he was able to gather residual electricity from the lightning rods surrounding the battleground and blast it at his opponent. Vader also demonstrated the ability to both block and redirect Force lightning with the Force, as he demonstrated during his duel with Galen Marek on board the first Death Star. He could also use his lightsaber to ground extremely high-intensity blasts of Force lightning with little effort.

In combat, Vader was extremely adept at utilizing telekinetic attacks, and often made liberal use of his telekinetic abilities during duels. He was capable of performing incredibly powerful Force Pushes and Grips, and was capable of breaking through the telekinetic defenses of Force-sensitives of Galen Marek and the cloned Starkiller's caliber. He was also very proficient in the application of Force Repulse and Force Wave, and was able to generate enough power with both attacks to easily kill Force-insensitive assailants. In particular, he was capable of using Force Waves to kill dozens of opponents simultaneously.

 One of Vader's favorite tactics during duels was his use of Force Throw to pull apart objects in his environment and fling them at his opponents. This served as both an effective practical attack and a way of demoralizing his opponents. Darth Vader first utilized this technique during his duel on Mustafar with Obi-Wan Kenobi, slicing shards of metal from the walls and shooting them at his opponent. However, Kenobi's mastery of Soresu allowed him to deflect the shards.

 After gaining his armor, Darth Vader used this tactic to bring down Roan Shryne on Kashyyyk, ripping apart the wooden platforms in their battleground and flinging waves of debris at the Jedi from all sides. His most arguably famous usage of this ability was against Luke Skywalker during their duel on Bespin, when he used it to batter Skywalker with everything and anything that happened to be in the room they were in.

 His effectiveness with this technique was further bolstered by the fact that he was capable of telekinetically griping and hurling objects without the need to utilize the "throwing" motion that nearly all Force sensitives were seen to use. This was most evident during his fight with Luke on Bespin, where he was able to surprise his son by telekinetically throwing a metal box at his head while maintaining a two-handed bladelock.

 Additionally, when applying this technique against Roan Shryne, Vader simply stood in one place with his arms folded across his chest.
I'm not saying it'd be a stroll for Wolverine, but given that his regular opponents in comic continuity are various telekinetics such Magneto, Jean Grey, Apocalypse etc, it's not like he's never faced something like Vader before.

Also, like I said, Vader doesn't really have anything to kill him, or counter his stealth attacks. Unless they start on opposite sides of the arena in full view of each other, Logan could take him no hassle.

Does having a lightsaber and viroblade jammed into his chest on multiple occasions mean nothing? Does augmenting himself with the force to increase his own physical strength and pain resistance mean nothing? How about a lightsaber? Being thrown out a window into space?

Think about it this way. Even if Logan was playing it by stealth, Vader wouldn't have his guard own. Because he just plowed through 7 other opponents, who, I think, could have given him a run for his money in some cases if the circumstances were right.

And, further more, think about it this way. If wolverine was protecting you, Vader could cut you down so damn easily without even having to fight wolverine. If vader was protecting you, Almost everybody else would have to get close to you to kill you.
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Does having a lightsaber and viroblade jammed into his chest on multiple occasions mean nothing? Does augmenting himself with the force to increase his own physical strength and pain resistance mean nothing? How about a lightsaber? Being thrown out a window into space?
Dude, lightsaber's aren't shit compared to Adamantium. Adamantium is essentially the plot device metal of the Marvel Universe. Unless you're Thor or some shit, you can't break it, you can't counter it, you can't survive the potency of its attacks. I assume Vader isn't invulnerable to decapitation yes? Given that Logan is adept in covertness, I can hazard a guess as to how he could take him in one swift, clandestine move.

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Think about it this way. Even if Logan was playing it by stealth, Vader wouldn't have his guard own. Because he just plowed through 7 other opponents, who, I think, could have given them a run for his money in some cases if the circumstances were right.
How is he going to detect Logan? Like I said, he's just as skilled as Batman in the art of subterfuge, and he's not a force user, so I really can't see anything that attests to Vader being able to spot him if he does take the silent option. The only chance Vader has is if Logan decides to play it cocky and take him head on from a distance, but I can't really see him doing that.

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And, further more, think about it this way. If wolverine was protecting you, Vader could cut you down so damn easily without even having to fight wolverine. If vader was protecting you, Almost everybody else would have to get close to you to kill you.
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Superhumanly Acute Senses: Wolverine possesses superhumanly acute senses that are comparable to those of certain animals. He can see at far greater distances, with perfect clarity, than an ordinary human. He retains this same level of clarity even in near total darkness. His hearing is enhanced in a similar manner, allowing him to detect sounds ordinary humans couldn't hear at a greater distances, enough to hear a teardrop in another room that have thick walls with enough focus. He is able to recognize people and objects by scent, even if they are well hidden. He can track a target by scent, even if the scent has been greatly eroded by time and weather factors, with an extraordinary degree of success. Wolverine can also use his keen sense of smell to detect lies due to chemical changes within a person's scent. These senses stem from, at least partially, his constant cellular regeneration, as are his enhanced physical capabilities.
He basically has a natural radar system.
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