It doesn't compromise security or privacy though. Also, did you read this before you posted?

It does
Do you not get that a stalker can use this to legally get away with entering the women's bathroom?

And before you say that'll never happen, I'll say that it does not matter
It does not matter one bit
What matters is that we have a law that can legally protect stalkers

do you see what you did there? tell me if you dont get it and ill explain. you might need help. thats ok.

Do explain

if youre so fucking concerned about who you share a bathroom with, take it up with your city council and see if theyll install bathrooms for bitchmade faggots like you who cant hang.

What exactly is the argument here?
That my points are moot because it looks like I care too much?

Saying that the bathroom is just the bathroom does not mean that everything is ok now lol

Quote from: Dissonance on May 13, 2016, 11:25:00 PM

Rape is a bad example because you'll be arrested either way but I see your point
Crimes are prevented everyday because they know that if they go into the women's restroom, they will be persecuted legally
Now, they can't be persecuted legally

I know you don't mean it this way, but you're making it sound like if a trans person assaults/rapes/molests someone in the bathroom they're allowed in, they're suddenly not going to be persecuted. You realize how silly you sound, right?

Rape is a bad example because you'll be arrested either way but I see your point

Rape is a bad example because you'll be arrested either way but I see your point

Rape is a bad example because you'll be arrested either way but I see your point

Rape is a bad example because you'll be arrested either way but I see your point

Rape is a bad example because you'll be arrested either way but I see your point

Rape is a bad example because you'll be arrested either way but I see your point

Rape is a bad example because you'll be arrested either way but I see your point

Rape is a bad example because you'll be arrested either way but I see your point

Rape is a bad example because you'll be arrested either way but I see your point

Rape is a bad example because you'll be arrested either way but I see your point

Literally what

What are you arguing here? Just by simply entering they can't be persecuted?

That is exactly what I'm saying
That is exactly what I'm saying

You keep saying it's the principle of the matter, but if it was you wouldn't be so hung up on trans people going to these bathrooms. The principle means it goes past the issue you're hung up on, and so far I've not seen that.

How am I being hung up on trans people
I stated it many times that the point is that people can enter the opposite bathroom without repercussion
I haven't said anything about my opinion on trans people wtf

I never implied that people shouldn't be able to debate this topic.

You tried to make it seem like a non issue that isn't a big deal

I'm simply making a statement about priorities. Something like this doesn't have as vast of an impact on the world as certain other issues for it to be overshadowing them so much, especially in mainstream media.

Priorities?
So there's a big push from the trans community to put a new bathroom policy in place but when I make a counter, I'm the one with my priorities out of place?

Also how is this unjustified as a priority when the federal government is taking away money from my education??

Where is this issue when climate change, over-population, and energy crises bring about the exhaustion of the world's resources, and starvation, disease, and disaster run amuck.

What kind of rationale is this?
I'm not allowed to worry about day to day problems because there are bigger issues looming over us?
Guess what
There are always bigger problems out there
They don't make the smaller ones any less valid   

Even though if someone is afraid of being stalked, they can report it. It's not protecting stalkers at all, you're just somehow bundling it up along with it.

And just as easily can the stalker deny all claims and get away with it
They now have a blindspot in the law that they can exploit

And saying it doesn't matter if it doesn't happen, but only because it can happen, is a pretty bad point. It's just speculation. Until it actually happens and has a repeated pattern, then yeah I don't think you have much to worry about.

It is not a bad point lol
Do you know what protection means?
It means you prevent something, put something in place to stop it before it happens
You don't throw open the doors and wait for disaster to come

In this case, you don't leave a loophole in the law that allows for privacy to be breached
This isn't even an unintended loophole
They actually put that loophole in place   

and once again you focused on the men entering the woman's bathroom, only proving my point. You keep saying one thing and then elaborating with another. How you don't see that is what I'm sure is confusing plenty of people here.

Well if you could retain information at all, I clarified how I use men entering women's restrooms as a primary example
Mainly to avoid confusing and to keep it concise
But yes I do treat both sides equally

Anyway, it's quite obvious we could go on with this forever, but I have other things I must do. So I'll end it here and just agree to disagree with you.

Looks like that's the closest I'm ever going to get to an acknowledgement of my valid points
I guess that's to be expected seeing how you spent the whole thread trying to make this policy seem less bad and never provided a reason as to why it's good

You know I think I'll go into Target and piss loudly in the female bathroom just for you

Stay safe kids, pee in the disabled peewees

Diss, how do you propose we stop the big bad rapists from just claiming to be transmen and then entering women's restrooms.

Because the only options I see are having genital police (hahah fuck you) or effectively forcing any person who looks vaguely androgynous (doesn't matter if they're cis or trans, you could get reported either way) to carry their birth certificate with them (because that's the basis of the NC law).

Well there's a thing called a license and it has gender on it

I don't think Billie Jo should be able to turn someone's bathroom visit into a run-in with the police. Because Billie Jo is a retarded hick who shouldn't have the power to decide who passes and who doesn't, especially when there are plenty of cis-women who don't even pass all the time.

That's the nature of society tho
People completely entitled to question what they deem to be out of the ordinary

And ironically, forcing people to attend bathroom by sex is even WORSE for women's privacy. Do you think women are going to feel naturally at ease as big buff hairy transmen have to be in the same space as them? How the fuck can anyone tell the difference between a transman and some perv pretending to be one unless we just have the police jump them anytime they need to just fucking piss.

Right
Because all transmen are big hairy and buff
And cops are just waiting to kick down the stall door

And no it's not worse for women's privacy
Because they know that under law, the pervs can be taken to court and persecuted
Whereas with your policy they cannot

The right has managed to engineer an unsolvable problem from a non-issue, it's quite amazing.

What the what
A non issue?
First off it was you guys who pushed the whole bathroom thing
Second, a non issue?
You guys love to say that "oh but no trans person ever raped anybody" to defend a law that pedophiles can literally use in the court of law to defend themselves
third, no problems are solvable
You ban guns, you'll still have occasional gun incidences
You lower the drinking age, you still have underage drinkers

The point is that you cannot open up the law to protect the scum of society to accommodate one group of people 

Well there's a thing called a license and it has gender on it

What stops perverts from getting it changed if it's so simple. If it's easy, then perverts can easily abuse it, if it's hard, then you're putting undue burden on trans people.

That's the nature of society tho
People completely entitled to question what they deem to be out of the ordinary

And some people's ideas of out of the ordinary are not something that need to be entertained.

Right
Because all transmen are big hairy and buff

Many are. This did nothing to address the point.

And cops are just waiting to kick down the stall door

They've proven quite willing to enforce these policies, even on cis women.

And no it's not worse for women's privacy
Because they know that under law, the pervs can be taken to court and persecuted
Whereas with your policy they cannot

You can't always just tell whether a person who looks like a man in the bathroom is trans or pretending to be without calling the police on them. "Oh he can't be a pervert, perverts get punished" is delusional level thinking. Is that going to matter to a woman at the moment? When she's unsure whether this 200 pound bearded dude who can clearly overpower her is standing there? Is she going to care "oh well whatever he does he can be punished for it", or is she going to genuinely feel uncomfortable?

In which case she of course then contacts the police to verify this situation.

And so is how transmen are never able to use the bathroom without dealing with the police again.

What the what
A non issue?
First off it was you guys who pushed the whole bathroom thing
Second, a non issue?

Unsurprisingly to no ill effects or notable patterns of crime.
But hypotheticals are of more importance than reality to those supporting these bills.

You guys love to say that "oh but no trans person ever raped anybody" to defend a law that pedophiles can literally use in the court of law to defend themselves

Really? I've seen examples where that was attempted, not once where it was held up.

The point is that you cannot open up the law to protect the scum of society to accommodate one group of people

It doesn't protect them. Criminal behavior is still punished. Somehow you act as if there is some magic act rapists can perform to simultaneously conduct criminal behavior while not conducting criminal behavior. If some dude goes in there and looks every woman in the eye as they leave the stall and he licks his lips, that's sexual harassment and he can get arrested. I don't understand what mental gymnastics you're pulling.

This is a Serious thread

I really think NC is being irrational and trying to chase a boogeyman that isn't there. Out of the measly 3.8% of American citizens that identify as LGBT, only 0.3% is Trans, what are the absolute chances that you're going to walk into a restroom with someone that may not be the same birth sex as you?

Also, this REALLY belongs in Serious.

So go tell your shithead state legislators and various school boards to comply with Title IX

innit

dont

What matters is that we have a law that can legally protect stalkers

as opposed to calling the police saying theres a man outside of your house in a car for the past 5 days
as opposed to the person following you home suspiciously on the way home the past week
as opposed to their car tailing you for the last several blocks

you could just say you think they were following you

this argument played before in the south. What makes you think your bigoted ways will win out this time?

I live in the south and I've only seen white people tromp into the bathroom and force a black person into indentured servitude on a tobacco plantation like twice...maybe three times, tops.