My entire argument for that though is one's acting is actually so well that it transcends the rather meh writing regarding her character, where as the other one is still boring as sin.

you really ate that half in the bag review up didn't you

In regards to RLM, I can respect their opinion and understand if they don't like it, but their RO Prequels review really rubbed me the wrong way. It felt like they were just shitting all over anyone who enjoyed the film

Welcome to the club, buddy.

Did anyone else find Vader's pun groan worthy? I've been trying to figure out why I basically cringed at it, when he does joke a fair amount in all the other films. So I compared some of his other jokes lines;

YouTube

to his Rogue One line (link will probably get copyright claimed);

YouTube

And I dunno, I can't really put my finger on it. I think it's because it's like a self referential joke, something a fan would say but shouldn't actually be put to film. "Wouldn't it be cool if Darth Vader thought his choking ability was totally epic and funny?" It'd be like if the Emperor made some pun about Luke finding it "shocking" how much it hurt being electrified by him

I think the problem is that JEJ emphasized "choke" in the line. If it was just "be careful not to choke on your aspirations Director" delivered in his usual tone, that would've been better. Instead it was "be careful not to choke on your aspirations", which wasn't Vader's usual style.

I like the line, but I agree that the deliver was a little too heavy handed.

Rey is not a Mary Sue, let alone a "total" one.

From Wikipedia:

A Mary Sue is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character, a young or low-rank person who saves the day through unrealistic abilities

>She is incredibly adapt at the force despite having zero training (Her connection to the Skywalker family if there even is one is meaningless as Luke still needed some guidance from Ben) to the point of being able to mind trick a stormtrooper despite zero experience in doing such.
>Manages to save Finn from tentacle rape with knowledge of the stations door controls despite never being on such a ship and only wandering for broken scraps of metal all her life.
>Can go toe to toe with Kylo Ren in a lightsaber duel despite having never used a lightsaber before and Kylo was trained by Luke fucking Skywalker, the only hero in the OT that bested Vader.

I like Rey, don't get me wrong. But damn is she the fucking female Jesus of the new trilogy. At least Luke fucking sucked at everything in IV except for making the torpedo shot in the end and got fucking destroyed by Vader in V.

I hate how Wookieepedia defaults to the Legends section and not the Canon section when looking shit up there.

bitter EU fags die

In their defense, Disney's termination of existing canon was really poorly done. The EU had books on how an entire Star Destroyer or the Death Star operated, and now considered "Non-canon". How does a Star Destroyer operate now? Fucking space magic until Disney releases an "Official" source for it. But they wont because that's not something that's going to make them two billion dollars. They only brought Thrawn back he's popular enough to make money and even then they had to butcher him and remove the glowing non-pupil eyes, that was a menacing feature part of his character. They'll probably remove Outbound Flight from his new book too.

The problem is there's a lot of stuff in the EU that can still work with the new canon, and wont get a new "Official" version, so axing it was pointless.

Quote from: A Cheese Potato on December 21, 2016, 08:39:30 AM

Did anyone else find Vader's pun groan worthy? I've been trying to figure out why I basically cringed at it, when he does joke a fair amount in all the other films. So I compared some of his other jokes lines;

YouTube

to his Rogue One line (link will probably get copyright claimed);

YouTube

And I dunno, I can't really put my finger on it. I think it's because it's like a self referential joke, something a fan would say but shouldn't actually be put to film. "Wouldn't it be cool if Darth Vader thought his choking ability was totally epic and funny?" It'd be like if the Emperor made some pun about Luke finding it "shocking" how much it hurt being electrified by him

I think the problem is that JEJ emphasized "choke" in the line. If it was just "be careful not to choke on your aspirations Director" delivered in his usual tone, that would've been better. Instead it was "be careful not to choke on your aspirations", which wasn't Vader's usual style.

Don't forget in Empire Strikes Back, Vader chokes one of his captains and after he kills him, Vader says "Apology accepted, Captain Needa." I always thought that was pretty funny.

>when people in their 20s refer to ANH as simply "Star Wars"

i bet you feel so fucking authentic

Try giving this a read.

Half his explanation (Such as Rey's childhood and Luke's lightsaber) is based off stuff that has no sources. All you gotta do on Jakku is pick up parts left over from the war and turn them in for food. I can make claims about her childhood too since we have no official source on it. I can say that the Star Destroyer had no other scavengers around it so most of her survival came easily from being the only one taking shit from it and scrapping it for food. Point is, until we get a more fleshed out backstory, her skills and assets are seemingly out of the blue. Luke's lightsaber having a will of its own? That's pretty far fetched even with the visions she gets from touching it. Nothing else in the entire universe (even the balls to the walls crazy EU) has something like this.

Not a fair comparison, because that's movie #2 of the OT. TFA is movie #1, so it's only reasonable to compare Rey to the Luke we know from ANH. Where he displayed some Mary Sue-like tendencies as well--on top of being an annoying brat.

He missed a lot of his blaster shots, gets hit by a training sphere (only hitting it after Ben's guidance), the skills he does have are actually explained from his farming days (shooting with a vehicle on a moisture farm is the same as making a shot on the trench run for example), and he was only able to pull off the final hit on the Death Star with the force and would;ve missed had it not been for Ben's space ghost. Your article also tries to point out Anakin being an easy ace pilot in episode I for an example of piloting being easy, yet Anakin was a Gary Stu as well.

Gary Stu

Don't do this.

Anakin is literally Jesus. Another thing the prequels got wrong.

Quote from: Mmmmm Napalm on December 21, 2016, 08:45:52 AM

Quote from: A Cheese Potato on December 21, 2016, 08:39:30 AM

Did anyone else find Vader's pun groan worthy? I've been trying to figure out why I basically cringed at it, when he does joke a fair amount in all the other films. So I compared some of his other jokes lines;

YouTube

to his Rogue One line (link will probably get copyright claimed);

YouTube

And I dunno, I can't really put my finger on it. I think it's because it's like a self referential joke, something a fan would say but shouldn't actually be put to film. "Wouldn't it be cool if Darth Vader thought his choking ability was totally epic and funny?" It'd be like if the Emperor made some pun about Luke finding it "shocking" how much it hurt being electrified by him

I think the problem is that JEJ emphasized "choke" in the line. If it was just "be careful not to choke on your aspirations Director" delivered in his usual tone, that would've been better. Instead it was "be careful not to choke on your aspirations", which wasn't Vader's usual style.

Anakin always quips. As potato's video showed, he does it in the OT to. I think it's just people are looking for an excuse to dislike the movie. If you cringe at "Don't choke on your aspirations", you should also cringe at "I find your lack of faith disturbing."

But is it really looking for an excuse if that was my gut reaction immediately after hearing it

Just got back from the movie. It was just about what I expected. Not my favorite Star Wars movie by a mile nor was it Clone Wars but it aint no Attack of the Clones either.

also, AotC has a lot of what i'd consider some of the best scenes in the entire franchise and i'm not being ironic

Why those scenes specifically? Like what makes those stand out to you?

The Geonosis battle is a little nauseating. Too many lightsabers.