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Josh McIntosh - "5 Ways Men Can Help End Sexism"

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Quote from: Snowtrap on December 02, 2015, 01:03:51 PM
Men are also sexually objectified. Not in the brazen manner that women are. But they're still objectified and given a standard of beauty to appeal to. Keep in mind that men and women have different heads. Guys can be a little simpler when it comes to sexual things. Show curves and it's over. Women are basically the same but they don't need to see a half naked guy to get a lady boner. Just a good looking one and their imagination does the rest.

How many commercials do you see with guys who are in good shape? Really good shape? A fair few, no doubt.

Guys who are obviously in better shape than any in this entire forum combined.
I've made numerous concessions appealing to the sexualization of males, but that doesn't make anything okay.

 
 
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Quote from: Verbatim on December 02, 2015, 01:03:38 PM
Quote from: Christmas dinner = Murder on December 02, 2015, 12:56:53 PM
Try what? You argued that the word 'oppression' isn't accurate, so I just replaced it with a phrase that's more precise but less dramatic.
Here's a more accurate rephrasing:

"Men aren't oppressed or exploited; here's a list of ways in which men are [taught to behave in a manner than conforms to some cultural expectation, often resulting in harm or distress and a general negative effect on society] and exploited."

Take that sentence, remove any instance of the word men and replace it with women. Here, wanna see?

"Women aren't oppressed or exploited; here's a list of ways in which women are [taught to behave in a manner than conforms to some cultural expectation, often resulting in harm or distress and a general negative effect on society] and exploited."

Sure matches up pretty well when applied to women too, doesn't it.

Stop dancing around on technicalities and say it like it fucking is. Guys are oppressed too. Maybe not in the manner that women are.

But that doesn't negate it. And it shouldn't be used as a paltry fucking excuse for you to casually shunt it aside and brush it off. Or for the guy who wrote the article. Stop taking the issue and thinking of it as black and white.

Instead, take a look at the whole fucking picture.

Both sides have some retarded societal baggage dropped and enforced on them. Feminism supposedly stands for equality for all right? And you wouldn't argue that.

So why dismiss that the possibility doesn't even exist that guys aren't oppressed or exploited when they clearly are, and have been? Why shunt one side into a category that's not oppression so therefore basically safe to discard?



 
 
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Quote from: Verbatim on December 02, 2015, 01:04:58 PM
Quote from: Snowtrap on December 02, 2015, 01:03:51 PM
Men are also sexually objectified. Not in the brazen manner that women are. But they're still objectified and given a standard of beauty to appeal to. Keep in mind that men and women have different heads. Guys can be a little simpler when it comes to sexual things. Show curves and it's over. Women are basically the same but they don't need to see a half naked guy to get a lady boner. Just a good looking one and their imagination does the rest.

How many commercials do you see with guys who are in good shape? Really good shape? A fair few, no doubt.

Guys who are obviously in better shape than any in this entire forum combined.
I've made numerous concessions appealing to the sexualization of males, but that doesn't make anything okay.

Stop dodging.

I'm not using it as an argument to make it okay. I'm saying that guys are oppressed and exploited as well. Something you're keen on not admitting.

 
 
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Quote from: Snowtrap on December 02, 2015, 01:12:31 PM
Sure matches up pretty well when applied to women too, doesn't it.
I've stated twice already that I don't believe men OR women are oppressed, and that it's an inappropriate word to use to describe a 1st world country in the 21st century.

What I believe is that women are exploited. No one is being oppressed.

Slaves were oppressed. Children in Africa are oppressed.

I just think it's an extremely hyperbolic word to use, so I won't use it.
Go ahead and use it if you want, but I refuse.
Last Edit: December 02, 2015, 01:25:40 PM by Verbatim

 
 
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Quote from: eggsalad on December 02, 2015, 01:07:29 PM
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You should know my opinion on sexuality already. It's disgusting, crude, and something we should aim to destroy.

Not fucking celebrate.

 
 
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Quote from: challengerX on December 02, 2015, 02:08:51 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on December 02, 2015, 01:48:40 PM
Quote from: eggsalad on December 02, 2015, 01:07:29 PM
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You should know my opinion on sexuality already. It's disgusting, crude, and something we should aim to destroy.

Not fucking celebrate.
Then you're biased and your opinions on this are irrelevant.
What kind of shit logic is this?

 
 
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Quote from: challengerX on December 02, 2015, 02:15:07 PM
There's nothing wrong with sexuality, and there's certainly nothing wrong with sexualized females in media.
Then you're biased and your opinions on this are irrelevant.

See how dumb that sounds?
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First women were complaining they were sexually oppressed, now they're complaining that they're too sexualized. Make up your minds.
Sexualization is a mild form of sexual oppression.

I think you mean repression. And that just means people should have the freedom to express their sexuality as they please, which is true. But I should also have the right to say we should DESTROY sexuality, not as a means of repression, but as a way to move past such crude and childish and disgusting and terrible and animalistic endeavors. In favor of more intelligent endeavors.
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Quote from: challengerX on December 02, 2015, 02:27:39 PM
Nope, that's pretty much everyone's opinion on sexuality
So you're even more biased.
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Women are inherently sexual.
What does that have to do with anything?
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And this is why you're biased.
You don't actually buy into the "ITS DEGRAAAAAYDING", you just think it's disgusting and should be destroyed.
Degrading things are disgusting. Disgusting things are degrading.
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It's neither degrading nor disgusting. We're sexual creatures.
Which is disgusting and degrading. Prove me wrong.

 
 
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If human beings were coprophagiacs by nature (meaning they literally ate shit), would you not find that disgusting?

Because if you wouldn't,
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-nature

 
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The post was pretty good except that part

Bell Hooks is eugh

 
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Quote from: Verbatim on December 02, 2015, 02:40:11 PM
If human beings were coprophagiacs by nature (meaning they literally ate shit), would you not find that disgusting?

Because if you wouldn't,
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-nature
Disgusting is relative to one's own exposures in life and culture.

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Who cares if something matches your arbitrary definition of "Disgusting," Verb?

Why does it matter? And more importantly, why is your view better than anybody else's?
Last Edit: December 02, 2015, 03:33:09 PM by Winy

 
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Like, okay, I'll definitely agree with you on a certain point: if a man or woman (usually it's a woman) is only present to be a sexual object, then that's a bad thing. Connery-age Bond girls, chain-bikini chicks from old fantasy stuff, and so on. Yeah, that's bad.

But a man or woman simply BEING sexual or sexually alluring while also having a character to them isn't a bad thing, even if their looks play into their character.

 
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Quote from: Cindo on December 02, 2015, 03:33:05 PM
Like, okay, I'll definitely agree with you on a certain point: if a man or woman (usually it's a woman) is only present to be a sexual object, then that's a bad thing. Connery-age Bond girls, chain-bikini chicks from old fantasy stuff, and so on. Yeah, that's bad.

But a man or woman simply BEING sexual or sexually alluring while also having a character to them isn't a bad thing, even if their looks play into their character.
The problem is that there are so few strong female representations in media right now. Criminally few.

The social pressures for women to be beautiful are much stronger than they are for males.
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Quote from: DAS FOTZEZERSTÖRER on December 02, 2015, 03:24:54 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on December 02, 2015, 02:40:11 PM
If human beings were coprophagiacs by nature (meaning they literally ate shit), would you not find that disgusting?

Because if you wouldn't,
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-nature
Disgusting is relative to one's own exposures in life and culture.
Defend eating shit, then.

 
 
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Quote from: Verbatim on December 02, 2015, 04:04:07 PM
Quote from: DAS FOTZEZERSTÖRER on December 02, 2015, 03:24:54 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on December 02, 2015, 02:40:11 PM
If human beings were coprophagiacs by nature (meaning they literally ate shit), would you not find that disgusting?

Because if you wouldn't,
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-nature
Disgusting is relative to one's own exposures in life and culture.
Defend eating shit, then.
When a dog eats poop it's because they have a deficiency in their diet.
If humans developed poop eating habits naturally then I would assume it would have had some kind of logical merit at the time... like your appendix.

 
 
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Quote from: DAS FOTZEZERSTÖRER on December 02, 2015, 04:06:25 PM
When a dog eats poop it's because they have a deficiency in their diet.
If humans developed poop eating habits naturally then I would assume it would have had some kind of logical merit at the time... like your appendix.
I don't see how something having a logical basis prevents it from being disgusting. Everything has a logical basis--that doesn't mean some things aren't objectively disgusting.

 
 
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Quote from: Verbatim on December 02, 2015, 04:12:22 PM
Quote from: DAS FOTZEZERSTÖRER on December 02, 2015, 04:06:25 PM
When a dog eats poop it's because they have a deficiency in their diet.
If humans developed poop eating habits naturally then I would assume it would have had some kind of logical merit at the time... like your appendix.
I don't see how something having a logical basis prevents it from being disgusting. Everything has a logical basis--that doesn't mean some things aren't objectively disgusting.
Gooks don't bat an eye at eating motherfucking eyeballs.

MOTHER

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EYEBALLS

 
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Let's separate men and women into two groups and assign them roles to stop sexism


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