the one true God is Doctor Doom and we should all be worshiping him.
if you let one person be eternally tortured to allow 5,000,000,000 people to live forever in constant bliss and ecstasy, utilitarianism would encourage that.Shit moral system
Quote from: Carson K on November 22, 2016, 11:39:19 PMif you let one person be eternally tortured to allow 5,000,000,000 people to live forever in constant bliss and ecstasy, utilitarianism would encourage that.Shit moral systemSounds like somebody's been reading TOWWAFO.
Quote from: Carson K on November 22, 2016, 11:39:19 PMif you let one person be eternally tortured to allow 5,000,000,000 people to live forever in constant bliss and ecstasy, utilitarianism would encourage that.Shit moral systemitt: no one understands what utilitarianism is
Quote from: Verbatim on November 22, 2016, 11:51:09 PMQuote from: Carson K on November 22, 2016, 11:39:19 PMif you let one person be eternally tortured to allow 5,000,000,000 people to live forever in constant bliss and ecstasy, utilitarianism would encourage that.Shit moral systemitt: no one understands what utilitarianism isexpect that would totally be in line with utilitarian ideals
Quote from: Carson K on November 23, 2016, 12:12:13 AMQuote from: Verbatim on November 22, 2016, 11:51:09 PMQuote from: Carson K on November 22, 2016, 11:39:19 PMif you let one person be eternally tortured to allow 5,000,000,000 people to live forever in constant bliss and ecstasy, utilitarianism would encourage that.Shit moral systemitt: no one understands what utilitarianism isexpect that would totally be in line with utilitarian idealsutilitarianism is the pursuit of utopia (a perfect society where no one suffers in any way) in the most cost-efficient manner possibleif one person is suffering, you don't have a utopia, and you don't have utlitarianism
utilitarianism is when the net happiness outweighs the net suffering
Quote from: Carson K on November 23, 2016, 12:25:02 AMutilitarianism is when the net happiness outweighs the net sufferingThe ideal being that suffering should be quashed entirely--and if this ideal is not met, it's not utilitarian. You just have a compromise--the "most" utilitarian option, but not the utilitarian option.
Quote from: Verbatim on November 23, 2016, 12:39:29 AMQuote from: Carson K on November 23, 2016, 12:25:02 AMutilitarianism is when the net happiness outweighs the net sufferingThe ideal being that suffering should be quashed entirely--and if this ideal is not met, it's not utilitarian. You just have a compromise--the "most" utilitarian option, but not the utilitarian option.And in the scenario I described, the most utilitarian option is to allow that society to continue.
Quote from: Verbatim on November 23, 2016, 12:56:52 AMQuote from: SecondClass on November 23, 2016, 12:51:00 AMQuote from: Verbatim on November 23, 2016, 12:39:29 AMQuote from: Carson K on November 23, 2016, 12:25:02 AMutilitarianism is when the net happiness outweighs the net sufferingThe ideal being that suffering should be quashed entirely--and if this ideal is not met, it's not utilitarian. You just have a compromise--the "most" utilitarian option, but not the utilitarian option.And in the scenario I described, the most utilitarian option is to allow that society to continue.But it's not the utilitarian option. It doesn't describe a utilitarian society, because it doesn't represent the true cause behind utilitarianism. It's a society where people say, "Well, this is good enough." That's not utilitarian--that's Bentham's shitty outdated brand of utilitarianism that's been ousted for centuries.God, English philosophers are such shit."My magical utopian brand of Utilitarianism has never been tried"
Quote from: SecondClass on November 23, 2016, 12:51:00 AMQuote from: Verbatim on November 23, 2016, 12:39:29 AMQuote from: Carson K on November 23, 2016, 12:25:02 AMutilitarianism is when the net happiness outweighs the net sufferingThe ideal being that suffering should be quashed entirely--and if this ideal is not met, it's not utilitarian. You just have a compromise--the "most" utilitarian option, but not the utilitarian option.And in the scenario I described, the most utilitarian option is to allow that society to continue.But it's not the utilitarian option. It doesn't describe a utilitarian society, because it doesn't represent the true cause behind utilitarianism. It's a society where people say, "Well, this is good enough." That's not utilitarian--that's Bentham's shitty outdated brand of utilitarianism that's been ousted for centuries.God, English philosophers are such shit.
Quote from: Mr Deplorable on November 23, 2016, 11:38:40 AMQuote from: Verbatim on November 23, 2016, 12:56:52 AMQuote from: SecondClass on November 23, 2016, 12:51:00 AMQuote from: Verbatim on November 23, 2016, 12:39:29 AMQuote from: Carson K on November 23, 2016, 12:25:02 AMutilitarianism is when the net happiness outweighs the net sufferingThe ideal being that suffering should be quashed entirely--and if this ideal is not met, it's not utilitarian. You just have a compromise--the "most" utilitarian option, but not the utilitarian option.And in the scenario I described, the most utilitarian option is to allow that society to continue.But it's not the utilitarian option. It doesn't describe a utilitarian society, because it doesn't represent the true cause behind utilitarianism. It's a society where people say, "Well, this is good enough." That's not utilitarian--that's Bentham's shitty outdated brand of utilitarianism that's been ousted for centuries.God, English philosophers are such shit."My magical utopian brand of Utilitarianism has never been tried"Well, my "magical utopian brand of utilitarianism" is everyone fucking dies. So yeah, of course it hasn't been tried.It's not that extinction is in itself utilitarian--it's simply the only way to fully realize the utilitarian model, because existence in itself begets disutility in some form. There's nothing else.
Where's my prize Charles?
Quote from: Dietrich Six on November 23, 2016, 11:47:00 AMWhere's my prize Charles?It was only for the first three, but thank you for your interest.
it's shit because it allows evil to be committed for "the greater good"if you have to commit evil to reach an end, then the end isn't worth reaching.
ITT I demonstrate why Utilitarianism is shit in less than 5 seconds
