ITT I'll tell you why your religion or worldview is shit.

 
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God, in the Christian's case.

And for atheists, the "Other" would be, say, something along the vein of rationality?


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Shintoism? Also this thread got far more serious than I was expecting.


 
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Yeah, I know. I respect your ability to think critically about philosophy and religion, and unlike what Korra was insinuating, I'm not trying to tell you what you should or shouldn't believe. It's just that I can't help but be disappointed that you're still struggling with this whole God thing--hence my comments--because it's an issue I was able to reconcile with years and years ago.

What exactly were you able to reconcile with? That he doesn't exist? Well, I still don't believe he exists -- that's something I'm trying to work on (with very few results).

You have to understand why I'm searching to understand why I'm struggling with it. And that's not something that interests you, I reckon.

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But whatever--as long as you don't start sacrificing bulls at the altar for God, I don't suppose I actually have any reason to be too concerned. It's good that you're soul-searching.

Yeah, well, thanks. For the record though, I won't be renouncing my status as an anti-natalist somewhere along the road. I plan on keeping that until someone justifies life (so, never.) I always said that I would have more reason to be against childbirth as a theist than I ever did as an atheist. 

Same goes for veganism.
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Shintoism? Also this thread got far more serious than I was expecting.

Why was I under the impression you were Christian?


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Christianity/Baptist.

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kk i'll try and make this quick

don't know/care regarding the existence of a god

from my own experience Christianity can have a positive effect on people's lives... mainly due to the corresponding community/cultural element.

There's an undeniable trend of cherry picking when it comes to established belief systems. The majority of individuals subscribed to a particular faith will oftentimes conjure up their own list of moral tenants under the guise of whatever religion suits them socially.

That being said base/literal Judaism Islam and Christianity can be barbaric imo. If i'm going to be honest though the former 2 are much worse.

yea... i generally don't believe in cultural/ individual equality either

I also still semi regularly attend church and am semi recognized as a member of the church going community.

a bit inwardly hypocritical.


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I don't have a religion tbh (and no that even excludes Atheism). I just brought up that one because it's still weaboo (gotta keep with what's been thrown at me) and it's kind of niche outside Japan.

Why was I under the impression you were Christian?


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Something like that, yeah. These tend to be life-denying, disempowering crap, though, and the atheist tends to be drawn into collectivist thought, which is crap.

Do you think you could summarise how Christianity favours the individual over the collective?

Recently, I've been going through a political movement as well as a philosophical one, but I can't seem to get over this "collectivist vs. individualist" hump. (In short, I think that in a Capitalistic society such as ours, I lean economically to the right, but in an ideal climate [the one I think we should be striving for], I'm virtually as far left as you can lean.) Admittedly, I haven't given politics nearly as much thought as I ought to, but there'll be time for that in the future.

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I should clarify that I don't have a totally structured worldview at the moment, so if you're seeing holes right now, point them out. I'm building as much as you are. I just consider myself pretty good at tearing down things (values and ideas) that are already built up.

Will do, and vice-versa once I figure out what I believe. I would appreciate hearing any new thoughts you have in the future too, as you are in a somewhat similar situation to me.


 
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I don't have a religion tbh (and no that even excludes Atheism).

How exactly is "atheism" a religion? You cannot have a religion without a god, and atheism is that by definition.


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One of the two answers I have was already posted in the previous page I think, just too lazy to go find it.

The TL;DR answer is: I'm a fence sitter on the idea of a God/Gods existing. There's too much crazy shit in the world to be absolute in my view on it.

How exactly is "atheism" a religion? You cannot have a religion without a god, and atheism is that by definition.


 
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One of the two answers I have was already posted in the previous page I think, just too lazy to go find it.

The TL;DR answer is: I'm a fence sitter on the idea of a God/Gods existing. There's too much crazy shit in the world to be absolute in my view on it.

That doesn't explain why you felt the need to specifically describe atheism as a religion, as per my inquiry.

I'm not really interested in your religious views, to be blunt. Just why you believe that atheism is one.


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Chief describes my calling it one:

MAx Stirner wrote that atheists were pious people. This is true. Most, if not all, Atheists formulate their own arbitrary religions based on abstract, socially imposed gods, rather than personal ones. They may lack a belief in afterlife or things which are beyond their senses, but this is the only distinction. There is still the veneration of saints (thinkers, scientists, leaders, reformers), places of worship (various- the university is a popular one), and a myriad of value systems.

I'm not really interested in your religious views, to be blunt. Just why you believe that atheism is one.


 
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God, the word "atheism" triggers me so much. It's not an "-ism", it's the lack of one. You're not defined by your lack of 3 arms. Your lack of t-shirts shouldn't inform your view on the world and reality. You don't subscribe to atheism -- you're just an atheist.

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Chief describes my calling it one:

And again, that doesn't make it a religion. Just because you serve "external" forces doesn't make you religious.


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I will admit then that I used a poor choice of words (I'm not going to edit my posts because I'm just too lazy), my post wasn't meant to trigger people over the use of words, I was just wanting to be clear that I'm not religious but I'm also not without it as well. Once again, I apologize.

And again, that doesn't make it a religion. Just because you serve "external" forces doesn't make you religious.


 
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I will admit then that I used a poor choice of words (I'm not going to edit my posts because I'm just too lazy), my post wasn't meant to trigger people over the use of words, I was just wanting to be clear that I'm not religious but I'm also not without it as well. Once again, I apologize.

I'm not mad at you, so don't worry about it. :)


 
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Christianity focuses on the relationship of an individual with God. This is especially apparent in comparison to its predecessor Judaism, which has an emphasis on the relationship between a people and God.

The Old Covenant, between God and Israel, is collective through its exclusivity. There is an in-group and an out group.

Christ's New Covenant is universal, destroying both in-groups and out-groups. The focus shifts to the individual and his relationship with God.

Ah, I see. But how does that translate to your political views, exactly? Is it just that you were an individualist prior to your conversion, and it carried over? Or do you believe your religious views inform your political ones?


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God or not, you obey.


 
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