isn't it funny how we warmly applaud ex-addicts for being "clean" for a year

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Toys are hereby declared:
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 anyone found with a TOY in his possession will be
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"getting over an addiction is hard, you don't know what that's like"

even though i'm
- more depressed than you
- more socially anxious than you
- poorer than you
- have less friends than you
- have less skills than you
- have less of an overall reason to live and be sober than you
- have sustained this sorry state of existence for a MUCH greater period of time than you

and yet i still have the strength of will not to indulge in anything, because i just kick that much ass i guess

where is my ovation
this is embarrassing
Can we have a threeway?


 
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Goodness gracious, great balls of lightning!
and yet i still have the strength of will not to indulge in anything, because i just kick that much ass i guess
This looks like something Deci would say


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nobody cares about people who have never struggled
and drug addicts and alcoholics have NEVER struggled

if the struggle is something you levied on yourself, then it's not a struggle at all, and you don't deserve anything

if anything, people should mock you for the rest of your life for ever putting yourself in that position when it is SO FUCKING EASY not to
Eh disagree, i purposely put myself in difficult situations sometimes so that Iโ€™m FORCED to struggle. Like one time i wanted to get addicted to cigarettes, only so i could struggle through that and eventually quit just to know i did it. It would be a struggle to quit, but not starting in the first place is much less of a struggle etc


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u want some attention bby


 
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and yet i still have the strength of will not to indulge in anything, because i just kick that much ass i guess
This looks like something Deci would say
if deci were a genius


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This isn't healthy, Verb.


 
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brah

do me a favour and never say this again


 
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If I'm not here, I'm doing photography. Or I'm asleep. Or in lockdown. One of those three, anyway.

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Verb, maybe you should get addicted to something and then just stop doing that.

We'll give you claps then. Easy free claps that are deemed worthy because you struggled and overcame the thing.

Or would it not be a struggle because it's easy for you, so you don't deserve claps after all...?

Verbatim, forever doomed to be not worthy of praise because he never did something addictive, and can't be addicted by them even if he tried.
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veganism is cool and all, but if you've ever eaten meat then you're forever a piece of shit regardless of how long you've been meat free tbh.


 
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Quick question, bro

How well can you relate to Adam's Song and Stay Together For the Kids?
adam's song, to a degree yeah

not so much the second song, given that my parents are still happily together and such


 
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veganism is cool and all, but if you've ever eaten meat then you're forever a piece of shit regardless of how long you've been meat free tbh.
Basically

there's no way to undo any crime, and no way to demonstrate the veracity of one's atonement

so of what purpose is forgiveness, especially when nobody actually seems to care anyway
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
โ€”Judge Aaron Satie
โ€”โ€”Carmen
veganism is cool and all, but if you've ever eaten meat then you're forever a piece of shit regardless of how long you've been meat free tbh.
Basically

there's no way to undo any crime, and no way to demonstrate the veracity one's atonement

so of what purpose is forgiveness
forgiveness can make the world better, because it gives people an outlet to become better, instead of dwelling in their flaws and evils forever because there's no other choice


 
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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

He is Ainu.

The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
so of what purpose is forgiveness, especially when nobody actually seems to care anyway
Forgiveness is earned. There's a reason why being sober for a year is something that gets congratulated, whereas being sober for two days is ignored at best and still scorned at worst. It's because committing to the path of correcting one's mistakes is more certain the longer it's maintained. Everything boils down to habits; if you're in the habit of doing heroin, then a few days not doing it just means that-- even if you're trying-- you could still quite easily relapse without any noticeable difference to the schedule of disappointments. If you go five years without doing heroin, it means the person put in enough effort to stop being a disappointment, and that should be congratulated.

Really, the applause isn't for being drug-free, it's for not being a burden anymore (whether it be emotional, financial, physical, etc). And continuing to punish people for things they have either pushed through, or are pushing through, seems pretty counter-productive.

I'm not saying give uncle Das $500 for not touching kids for a week, but maybe give him a shoulder pat when he admits that the supermarket giving him back incorrect change wasn't a Zionist conspiracy.

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tbh good job on stirring up activity. Seems like there's been as many posts in this thread since yesterday as there's been on the Flood all week.
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Wat r u, casul?
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tbh good job on stirring up activity. Seems like there's been as many posts in this thread since yesterday as there's been on the Flood all week.

wow. you two are something else.


 
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so of what purpose is forgiveness, especially when nobody actually seems to care anyway
Forgiveness is earned. There's a reason why being sober for a year is something that gets congratulated, whereas being sober for two days is ignored at best and still scorned at worst. It's because committing to the path of correcting one's mistakes is more certain the longer it's maintained. Everything boils down to habits; if you're in the habit of doing heroin, then a few days not doing it just means that-- even if you're trying-- you could still quite easily relapse without any noticeable difference to the schedule of disappointments. If you go five years without doing heroin, it means the person put in enough effort to stop being a disappointment, and that should be congratulated.

Really, the applause isn't for being drug-free, it's for not being a burden anymore (whether it be emotional, financial, physical, etc). And continuing to punish people for things they have either pushed through, or are pushing through, seems pretty counter-productive.

I'm not saying give uncle Das $500 for not touching kids for a week, but maybe give him a shoulder pat when he admits that the supermarket giving him back incorrect change wasn't a Zionist conspiracy.
i just think it's a double standard, and that's what pisses me off

given how easy it is for some people to cave under pressure, it would seem to suggest that the world we live in is just too difficult to bear soberly for most people in the world

1 in 10 US citizens are addicts

well over half of the remainder abuse recreational substances habitually, whether it be caffeine, alcohol, marijuana, molly, xanax, or whatever the fuck else

are all drugs equally bad? no

but for how difficult it is for most people to be sober, maintaining sobriety for perhaps someone as long as i have starts looking more and more like a genuine praiseworthy... attribute (if not achievement or accomplishment), if you ask me

but nobody cares, of course, and ultimately, neither do i

i just think it's silly to praise one and not the other, if you're gonna do it at all
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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

He is Ainu.

The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
tbh good job on stirring up activity. Seems like there's been as many posts in this thread since yesterday as there's been on the Flood all week.

wow. you two are something else.
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Bruh, you lost an argument on the internet, it's not that bad.

Its Verbatim. He thinks he can never lose and will keep going.


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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

He is Ainu.

The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
but for how difficult it is for most people to be sober, maintaining sobriety for perhaps someone as long as i have starts looking more and more like a genuine praiseworthy... attribute (if not achievement or accomplishment), if you ask me
At that point, you're just embodying the idea of total legal normalcy. Not to say that it's being "average" since that would have involved trying a drug at least once or twice, but the kind of person who's in the middle.

I say the middle instead of the other side because the opposite of "addict getting clean" would be "the person who helps addicts get clean". The most positive and productive way to be validated for sobriety is to help others make the same choice. It's a weird thing to say, but being sober is something most useful when it's spread rather than upheld by a few.

I'm not saying you need to become a registered therapist and go run AA meetings, but simply helping the people you know make the right choice works. It's the people to either side that get noticed, not the ones in the middle; if you want recognition, you can be recognized for helping people get clean.


 
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but for how difficult it is for most people to be sober, maintaining sobriety for perhaps someone as long as i have starts looking more and more like a genuine praiseworthy... attribute (if not achievement or accomplishment), if you ask me
At that point, you're just embodying the idea of total legal normalcy. Not to say that it's being "average" since that would have involved trying a drug at least once or twice, but the kind of person who's in the middle.

I say the middle instead of the other side because the opposite of "addict getting clean" would be "the person who helps addicts get clean". The most positive and productive way to be validated for sobriety is to help others make the same choice. It's a weird thing to say, but being sober is something most useful when it's spread rather than upheld by a few.

I'm not saying you need to become a registered therapist and go run AA meetings, but simply helping the people you know make the right choice works. It's the people to either side that get noticed, not the ones in the middle; if you want recognition, you can be recognized for helping people get clean.
the problem here is that you're suggesting that i do something i already believe i am doing

i DO view myself as a person trying to help people get better

you don't like my methods, but you're not supposed to like my methods

my options are to either

1. swallow my hatred and adopt more positive reinforcement, maybe help a few people, and then proceed to get stepped on as they all relapse or fall back into some other bullshit, because that's what people do

2. continue my current methods, which gives me personal satisfaction no matter the result--which may have a 0% success rate, but at least i get to be right at the end of the day

you could say that's my vice, the desire to prove others wrong
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His eyebrows sparkling, his white beard hangs down to his chest. The thatched mats, spread outside his chise, spread softly, his splendid attos. He polishes, cross-legged, his makiri, with his eyes completely absorbed.

He is Ainu.

The god of Ainu Mosir, Ae-Oine Kamuy, descendant of Okiku-Rumi, He perishes, a living corpse. The summers day, the white sunlight, unabrushed, ends simply through his breath alone.
you don't like my methods, but you're not supposed to like my methods
At the end of the day, whether your methods are liked or not isn't the issue. It's effectiveness. Yes, it's hard to not see things work out, for people to just revert back after you've spent so much energy trying to help them. But your second option-- even in your eyes-- seems to basically just be "not trying". You'll get to be right, but being right doesn't do anything to achieve your goals; specifically, you're not doing anything to prevent or alleviate suffering. If it has that 0% success rate, then you're probably just introducing more suffering by hitting people while they're down.