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These PETA level threads make me want to go to an animal reserve with an LSAT just to piss off vegans
But we have supermarkets!!!!!!Terrible example. Maybe I want to know exactly how and when my food was killed. There is zero wrong with hunting for food. It's literally how our species survived up until like 200 years ago.
Hunting for sustenance is less morally reprehensible because there is a meaningful purpose besides just perverse entertainment. It's a necessary facet of the animal kingdom as well as maintaining ecosystems. I thought this was obvious.Protein is also an essential part of our diet, and meat is a direct source for that. (And yeah I'm aware you can obtain protein from nuts etc but it's hardly as viable as meat is).
There's nothing wrong with hunting as long you eat most of the animal and it isn't endangered.
This is like saying that there's no difference between using water for a slip and slide and giving it to African kids because the water is getting 'wasted' anyways
Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 31, 2015, 11:02:19 AMHunting for sustenance is less morally reprehensible because there is a meaningful purpose besides just perverse entertainment. It's a necessary facet of the animal kingdom as well as maintaining ecosystems. I thought this was obvious.Protein is also an essential part of our diet, and meat is a direct source for that. (And yeah I'm aware you can obtain protein from nuts etc but it's hardly as viable as meat is).Did you read the OP?The idea that hunting for food has a "meaningful purpose" breaks down outside of extreme survival situations.Hunting for sport can maintain ecosystems, too.
Oh god not this shit again. INB4 OP makes a wall of text responce to this trying to counterpoint every single letter with it's own wall of text like he/ she always doed, and then Verb threatens to blow up the universe again. These PETA level threads make me want to go to an animal reserve with an LSAT just to piss off vegans
Quote from: Pendulate on May 31, 2015, 05:02:08 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on May 31, 2015, 11:02:19 AMHunting for sustenance is less morally reprehensible because there is a meaningful purpose besides just perverse entertainment. It's a necessary facet of the animal kingdom as well as maintaining ecosystems. I thought this was obvious.Protein is also an essential part of our diet, and meat is a direct source for that. (And yeah I'm aware you can obtain protein from nuts etc but it's hardly as viable as meat is).Did you read the OP?The idea that hunting for food has a "meaningful purpose" breaks down outside of extreme survival situations.Hunting for sport can maintain ecosystems, too.Exactly how does it? Like I said, meat and protein is an essential component of our diet, so your " extreme survival situation" analogy doesn't really hold up.I'd also appreciate you dropping the sanctimonious tone, thanks.
Quote from: Majestic Star Dragon on May 31, 2015, 02:48:41 PMOh god not this shit again. INB4 OP makes a wall of text responce to this trying to counterpoint every single letter with it's own wall of text like he/ she always doed, and then Verb threatens to blow up the universe again. These PETA level threads make me want to go to an animal reserve with an LSAT just to piss off vegansWow. This is one topic where you really aren't willing to think rationally, huh?
Quote from: Pendulate on May 31, 2015, 05:06:50 PMQuote from: Majestic Star Dragon on May 31, 2015, 02:48:41 PMOh god not this shit again. INB4 OP makes a wall of text responce to this trying to counterpoint every single letter with it's own wall of text like he/ she always doed, and then Verb threatens to blow up the universe again. These PETA level threads make me want to go to an animal reserve with an LSAT just to piss off vegansWow. This is one topic where you really aren't willing to think rationally, huh?I dont feel like arguing walls of text with two even bigger oppinionated brick walls. Espesialy when they literaly think blowing up the world is a good idea.
Quote from: Majestic Star Dragon on May 31, 2015, 05:12:37 PMQuote from: Pendulate on May 31, 2015, 05:06:50 PMQuote from: Majestic Star Dragon on May 31, 2015, 02:48:41 PMOh god not this shit again. INB4 OP makes a wall of text responce to this trying to counterpoint every single letter with it's own wall of text like he/ she always doed, and then Verb threatens to blow up the universe again. These PETA level threads make me want to go to an animal reserve with an LSAT just to piss off vegansWow. This is one topic where you really aren't willing to think rationally, huh?I dont feel like arguing walls of text with two even bigger oppinionated brick walls. Espesialy when they literaly think blowing up the world is a good idea.But I don't think that. That's called a straw-man-ad-hominem-generalization.
Quote from: Pendulate on May 31, 2015, 05:18:44 PMQuote from: Majestic Star Dragon on May 31, 2015, 05:12:37 PMQuote from: Pendulate on May 31, 2015, 05:06:50 PMQuote from: Majestic Star Dragon on May 31, 2015, 02:48:41 PMOh god not this shit again. INB4 OP makes a wall of text responce to this trying to counterpoint every single letter with it's own wall of text like he/ she always doed, and then Verb threatens to blow up the universe again. These PETA level threads make me want to go to an animal reserve with an LSAT just to piss off vegansWow. This is one topic where you really aren't willing to think rationally, huh?I dont feel like arguing walls of text with two even bigger oppinionated brick walls. Espesialy when they literaly think blowing up the world is a good idea.But I don't think that. That's called a straw-man-ad-hominem-generalization. exept that is literaly exacly exact you do. Just Look at one of the first responses you made im this thread, and let's not forget what ended the last veganism thread. You wanna know why I never responed to you there? Because I cant stand reading a poorly layed out wall of text. When I want to read for half an hour I will find a news article or a book or go on wikipedia i cant find anything, not have some vegan on a forum were I talk about games make up a wall of text by quoting half a scentene out of context and then moving onto the next half sentence before repeating, creating a chopped up abomination that hurts to look at in the process.Arguing with you is pointles anyway. Youre not actuly concidering anything anyone says other than your "holyer than thou" two man circle-jerk.Probably a fuck ton of grammar and pelling mistakes in this post.. not going to correct them. Typing on xbone is worse than being a vegan
Lol, this thread. They're just animals.You're a human. Your species is more important than any other species.
Quote from: SecondClass on May 31, 2015, 05:45:38 PMLol, this thread. They're just animals.You're a human. Your species is more important than any other species.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism
It's not an -ism, it's a fact.
Do you think that any other species puts other animals before its own welfare? No, only us self-hating humans would think of that.
At the end of the day, preservation of humanity is all that matters.
Quote from: Ingloriouswho98 on May 31, 2015, 02:05:17 PMThis is like saying that there's no difference between using water for a slip and slide and giving it to African kids because the water is getting 'wasted' anywaysDid you read the OP?
Quote from: SecondClass on May 31, 2015, 06:19:29 PMAt the end of the day, preservation of humanity is all that matters.And your logical basis for this belief would be?
It's kind of ingrained into the very fabric of our being...
Quote from: DAS "كافر" B00T on May 31, 2015, 07:00:17 PMIt's kind of ingrained into the very fabric of our being...No, it isn't. There are millions of people who subscribe to the anti-natalist ideology like myself already. We are very capable of transcending our bigoted biological tendencies.
In order to overcome something, doesn't it first have to be a thing?
Quote from: Madman Mordo on May 31, 2015, 05:05:28 PMQuote from: Pendulate on May 31, 2015, 05:02:08 PMQuote from: Madman Mordo on May 31, 2015, 11:02:19 AMHunting for sustenance is less morally reprehensible because there is a meaningful purpose besides just perverse entertainment. It's a necessary facet of the animal kingdom as well as maintaining ecosystems. I thought this was obvious.Protein is also an essential part of our diet, and meat is a direct source for that. (And yeah I'm aware you can obtain protein from nuts etc but it's hardly as viable as meat is).Did you read the OP?The idea that hunting for food has a "meaningful purpose" breaks down outside of extreme survival situations.Hunting for sport can maintain ecosystems, too.Exactly how does it? Like I said, meat and protein is an essential component of our diet, so your " extreme survival situation" analogy doesn't really hold up.I'd also appreciate you dropping the sanctimonious tone, thanks.Sorry if it came across like that, it just appears that many people did not read it.The protein argument is really so trivial considering you can get all the protein you need from plant foods without even trying. So no, "hunting for protein" is in no way a meaningful purpose any more than hunting for a trophy is.But, perhaps you're trolling again.
Quote from: DAS "كافر" B00T on May 31, 2015, 07:19:19 PMIn order to overcome something, doesn't it first have to be a thing?You think humans are better than all other sentience, for no other reason than because we're smarter than them. Sorry, Das, that's... basically the definition of bigotry. It's not just a thing--it's a logically demonstrable thing.
it doesn't make you any more correct.
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Is there a difference between hunting for sport and hunting for food?