Independent / Alternative Media & Journalism

Flee · June 28, 2018, 09:47:07 AM

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Ásgeirr · June 28, 2018, 10:21:47 AM

Both the MSM and alt media require more than just a grain, youre naive.

Its a little more important for the MSM to not fuck up pushing something fake or badly researched out in the first place as the damage is done far wider and quicker. All media should require perfection and abandon of the writers personal biases.

But that will never happen and i will continue to not follow any media outlets.

Flee · June 28, 2018, 01:27:09 PM

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Ásgeirr · June 28, 2018, 02:18:27 PM

Quote from: Flee on June 28, 2018, 01:27:09 PM

Quote from: Ásgeirr on June 28, 2018, 10:21:47 AM
Both the MSM and alt media require more than just a grain, youre naive.

Its a little more important for the MSM to not fuck up pushing something fake or badly researched out in the first place as the damage is done far wider and quicker. All media should require perfection and abandon of the writers personal biases.

But that will never happen and i will continue to not follow any media outlets.
My point kind of was that even though they should all be treated with skepticism, the alternative ones should be even more so. The grain part was just the expression. I think I made a pretty good case as to why the alternative media is usually less reliable and you're not giving any real counter arguments. There's no reason to assume they are both equally prone to being bad news.

How do you stay informed if you don't follow any media outlets?

I dont have any real arguments as i find most media reporting to be inane. I fully see why alt media is prone to being less reliable but MSM having more reach and influence should make people wary.

Im informed as to whats happening at a surface level because its impossible not to on the internet.

Genghis Khan · June 28, 2018, 02:37:42 PM

Flee · June 28, 2018, 03:59:36 PM

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Ásgeirr · June 28, 2018, 05:09:01 PM

Quote from: Flee on June 28, 2018, 03:59:36 PM

Quote from: Ásgeirr on June 28, 2018, 02:18:27 PM
I dont have any real arguments as i find most media reporting to be inane. I fully see why alt media is prone to being less reliable but MSM having more reach and influence should make people wary.
I think that's actually another point to bolster my argument. The MSM having more reach and influence should make people more wary but it also means that the people behind them are likely to be more cautious and responsible. The backlash and potential fallout are so much greater for a (published) news outlet with hundreds of thousands of readers/viewers (and they actually have watchdogs and boards that they're held accountable to) that I think it's only logical that they're more careful about spreading misinformation or stories with potentially harmful consequences. News outlets like The Guardian, Reuters and NYT have to carry much more responsibility than some alternative or independent journalist, and I think that shows in their behavior.

Still, I get your point. Their reach and influence should be met with wariness. But I think that doesn't detract from my point that people should be more skeptical when it comes to the independent / alternative ones.

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Im informed as to whats happening at a surface level because its impossible not to on the internet.
That's very strange to me. It almost amounts to deliberate ignorance. Do you not want to know or have you just checked out off all things that don't directly affect your daily life?

I dont believe people behind a news outlet with reach and influence wouldnt abuse that more than 'likely'. The backlash and fallout are bigger for such outlets but so is the wall to expose bad behavior.

You could call it deliberate ignorance, i dont benefit from knowing or not knowing more. Even if it was something that affected my daily life i would probably not be able to do anything about it.

I didnt contribute to anything here other than showing my bias. I guess my point is youre too forgiving for MSM even if alt media is worse.

maverick · June 28, 2018, 11:41:36 PM

I think the crux of the issue is that Americans seem to have little respect for the industry in general. There’s a lot you could criticize, say, CNN for, but I can’t help but think most people call it fake news more so because they dislike what’s being reported. I can think of a dozen shows on major networks that basically have all the flaws you listed, which likely reach a wider audience than the “MSM”.

maverick · June 28, 2018, 11:43:49 PM

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Aether · June 29, 2018, 12:09:05 AM

I trust alt media more than I do MSM, but only certain people. The only reason I would follow someone's journalism or commentary to begin with is because I trust them.

They don't necessarily have to be unbiased either, they just need to be honest and transparent about their beliefs.

Someone like Phillip DeFranco is a good example of that.

MarKhan · June 29, 2018, 02:21:52 AM

I treat both mainstream and alt media with scepticism, so if subject is something I care about (and if something affects me then I care about it) I check multiple sources of information and then form my own opinion.

I don`t think that there is a clear line between mainstream and alt media. Whenever the question is to compare two or more entities, first question always is how you define these and usually it has at least half of the answer in itself.

Flee · June 30, 2018, 10:45:47 AM

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