Spoiler Imperial Center: The Star Wars Megathread (Spoilers Permitted)

Risay117 · January 07, 2016, 11:31:34 AM

Why does everyone think the new Star Wars is a great movie. For me it felt like a B rate movie. If it wanted to be action it did not meet that criteria like Mad Max. An adventure in a Galaxy, maybe tried but for me it felt kind of small. Story wise it felt bland and a copy of A new Hope with reference to the later two while at the same time creating plot points out of thin air without much explanation why they exist other than they exist.

And canon wise it makes no sense, especially with the first order and how they came about and where the fuck stoke came from.

A fun movie but definitely not a great movie. And likely not memorable like that of the sequels or even some parts of the prequels.

Girl of Mystery · January 07, 2016, 11:33:29 AM

Quote from: Risay117 on January 07, 2016, 11:31:34 AM

Why does everyone think the new Star Wars is a great movie.

Because we aren't edgy neckbeards

Risay117 · January 07, 2016, 11:37:02 AM

Quote from: Lemnator on January 07, 2016, 11:33:29 AM

Quote from: Risay117 on January 07, 2016, 11:31:34 AM
Why does everyone think the new Star Wars is a great movie.
Because we aren't edgy neckbeards

And I am not being edgy. It is a good movie. It just not that amazing. I mean mad max felt like a better movie as well as the hateful eight. I can appreciate it but cannot give it a great score. I would recommend movies such as The Martian. But this does not seem like it has much in it. Reminds me a lot of Micheal Bay. Appeasing to the lowest common denominator.

For me it felt more like a reboot of the whole series. Basically JJ Abrams version of A New Hope over a continuation of a story.

RomanGladiator · January 07, 2016, 11:39:45 AM

Quote from: Risay117 on January 07, 2016, 11:31:34 AM

And canon wise it makes no sense, especially with the first order and how they came about and where the fuck stoke came from.

A fun movie but definitely not a great movie. And likely not memorable like that of the sequels or even some parts of the prequels.

It's a first in a trilogy; it's not supposed to explain everything. Where Snoke came from and what he is, how he seduced Ben; those are all part of the mystery we're all supposed to be thinking about for the next installment. What if A New Hope told you Vader was Luke's father? Also, I agree that how the First Order rose up could be explained a little better, but at the same time we don't need to be bogged down with politics or else we'd get Star Wars: Trade Negotiations. I thought it was pretty straight forward though. The New Republic underestimates the First Order, they're tired of war, don't take action. That's what the Resistance is for; the New Republic is just a bunch of bureaucrats that don't see the threat like General Organa does. Also the First Order is more of a radical splinter group.

Girl of Mystery · January 07, 2016, 11:44:57 AM

Quote from: Risay117 on January 07, 2016, 11:37:02 AM

Quote from: Lemnator on January 07, 2016, 11:33:29 AM
Quote from: Risay117 on January 07, 2016, 11:31:34 AM
Why does everyone think the new Star Wars is a great movie.
Because we aren't edgy neckbeards
And I am not being edgy. It is a good movie. It just not that amazing. I mean mad max felt like a better movie as well as the hateful eight. I can appreciate it but cannot give it a great score. I would recommend movies such as The Martian. But this does not seem like it has much in it. Reminds me a lot of Micheal Bay. Appeasing to the lowest common denominator.

For me it felt more like a reboot of the whole series. Basically JJ Abrams version of A New Hope over a continuation of a story.

Mad Max and The Hateful Eight are by far the best movies this year. That doesn't mean Ep7 wasn't great, because it was.

It's the best Star Wars movie since Empire Strikes Back.

Excellent acting.
Great action, that was a good balance of the OG trilogy and the OTT prequels.
Good characters.
The plot is basically a bette version of ANH. This isn't even a bad thing.

It was very much a continuation of the franchise. And a great one at that.

Risay117 · January 07, 2016, 11:45:18 AM

Quote from: RomanGladiator on January 07, 2016, 11:39:45 AM

Quote from: Risay117 on January 07, 2016, 11:31:34 AM

And canon wise it makes no sense, especially with the first order and how they came about and where the fuck stoke came from.

A fun movie but definitely not a great movie. And likely not memorable like that of the sequels or even some parts of the prequels.
It's a first in a trilogy; it's not supposed to explain everything. Where Snoke came from and what he is, how he seduced Ben; those are all part of the mystery we're all supposed to be thinking about for the next installment. What if A New Hope told you Vader was Luke's father? Also, I agree that how the First Order rose up could be explained a little better, but at the same time we don't need to be bogged down with politics or else we'd get Star Wars: Trade Negotiations. I thought it was pretty straight forward though. The New Republic underestimates the First Order, they're tired of war, don't take action. That's what the Resistance is for; the New Republic is just a bunch of bureaucrats that don't see the threat like General Organa does. Also the First Order is more of a radical splinter group.

I agree but it should have fleshed out the story more. Just because it is part of a trilogy does not excuse the movie for lacking in context.

I still think context could have been explained better. As well as plot points like how an Empire who lost their number one and two suddenly found a way to become strong again and build a mega death star with no one noticing. How one can learn to use the force so well they can defeat another force user who was trained in the force for a longer time.

There are things that make sense and don't. And personally I did not feel like the movie was in a Galaxy but in just a solar system.

Girl of Mystery · January 07, 2016, 11:53:28 AM

Quote from: Risay117 on January 07, 2016, 11:45:18 AM

How one can learn to use the force so well they can defeat another force user who was trained in the force for a longer time.

I'd hardly call Rey a great Force user. Besides Force Persuasion she didn't do anything special.

And she beat Kylo because A) He was badly injured (he was shot by Chewy's bow ffs), B) He literally just killed his Dad and C) he's heavily conflicted and has a clouded mind

He also wasn't that well trained.

Your capability of using the Force increases significantly with a clearer, more focused mind like Rey has.

Sandtrap · January 07, 2016, 11:57:09 AM

Quote from: Risay117 on January 07, 2016, 11:45:18 AM

Quote from: RomanGladiator on January 07, 2016, 11:39:45 AM
Quote from: Risay117 on January 07, 2016, 11:31:34 AM

And canon wise it makes no sense, especially with the first order and how they came about and where the fuck stoke came from.

A fun movie but definitely not a great movie. And likely not memorable like that of the sequels or even some parts of the prequels.
It's a first in a trilogy; it's not supposed to explain everything. Where Snoke came from and what he is, how he seduced Ben; those are all part of the mystery we're all supposed to be thinking about for the next installment. What if A New Hope told you Vader was Luke's father? Also, I agree that how the First Order rose up could be explained a little better, but at the same time we don't need to be bogged down with politics or else we'd get Star Wars: Trade Negotiations. I thought it was pretty straight forward though. The New Republic underestimates the First Order, they're tired of war, don't take action. That's what the Resistance is for; the New Republic is just a bunch of bureaucrats that don't see the threat like General Organa does. Also the First Order is more of a radical splinter group.
I agree but it should have fleshed out the story more. Just because it is part of a trilogy does not excuse the movie for lacking in context.

I still think context could have been explained better. As well as plot points like how an Empire who lost their number one and two suddenly found a way to become strong again and build a mega death star with no one noticing. How one can learn to use the force so well they can defeat another force user who was trained in the force for a longer time.

There are things that make sense and don't. And personally I did not feel like the movie was in a Galaxy but in just a solar system.

There's already some explanations for this in books and shit. Lemme give you a rundown.

After the battle of Endor, the Empire tried to collect it's shit, but did a poor job. The rebels gained immidiate support from worlds previously oppressed by the empire, and were able to overpower the remnants until an eventual ceasefire was made between the new republic and the remnants.

However, a small sect of empire loyalists fled. They fled to the edge of the galaxy into what's known as the unkown regions. And with them, they took some shit from Palpatine's data vaults.

So that group fucked off for about 30 years and began to build their strength while the new republic did its thing. The new republic put sanctions on fleet sizes, to try and avoid warmongering. And over the next 30 years skirmishes happened on the borders with the new order, but the new republic turned a blind eye to Leia's insistance that they were a threat, passing her off as a warmongerer or somebody trying to re-live her glory days.

She got frustrated and left the republic, forming the rebel alliance, to try and get ready for combating the new order. But without the republic's help, the movement had little traction.

So, we come to the movie.

New Order plays it's hand, the New Republic's indecisive decesions lead to them getting ass stomped.

And Rey?

She's obviously the second coming of space jesus.

RomanGladiator · January 07, 2016, 03:42:08 PM

Space Jesus you say?

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R o c k e t · January 07, 2016, 09:57:03 PM

Quote from: Lemnator on January 07, 2016, 11:44:57 AM

Quote from: Risay117 on January 07, 2016, 11:37:02 AM
Quote from: Lemnator on January 07, 2016, 11:33:29 AM
Quote from: Risay117 on January 07, 2016, 11:31:34 AM
Why does everyone think the new Star Wars is a great movie.
Because we aren't edgy neckbeards
And I am not being edgy. It is a good movie. It just not that amazing. I mean mad max felt like a better movie as well as the hateful eight. I can appreciate it but cannot give it a great score. I would recommend movies such as The Martian. But this does not seem like it has much in it. Reminds me a lot of Micheal Bay. Appeasing to the lowest common denominator.

For me it felt more like a reboot of the whole series. Basically JJ Abrams version of A New Hope over a continuation of a story.
Mad Max and The Hateful Eight are by far the best movies this year. That doesn't mean Ep7 wasn't great, because it was.

It's the best Star Wars movie since Empire Strikes Back.

Excellent acting.
Great action, that was a good balance of the OG trilogy and the OTT prequels.
Good characters.
The plot is basically a bette version of ANH. This isn't even a bad thing.

It was very much a continuation of the franchise. And a great one at that.

I'm surprised you aren't freaking out over its similarities to A New Hope.

R o c k e t · January 07, 2016, 09:57:45 PM

Ive never seen a Mad Max movie other than fury road so I wasn't very impressed. Wasnt bad, but I got bored at parts.

Girl of Mystery · January 07, 2016, 10:02:25 PM

Quote from: Rocketman287 on January 07, 2016, 09:57:03 PM

Quote from: Lemnator on January 07, 2016, 11:44:57 AM
Quote from: Risay117 on January 07, 2016, 11:37:02 AM
Quote from: Lemnator on January 07, 2016, 11:33:29 AM
Quote from: Risay117 on January 07, 2016, 11:31:34 AM
Why does everyone think the new Star Wars is a great movie.
Because we aren't edgy neckbeards
And I am not being edgy. It is a good movie. It just not that amazing. I mean mad max felt like a better movie as well as the hateful eight. I can appreciate it but cannot give it a great score. I would recommend movies such as The Martian. But this does not seem like it has much in it. Reminds me a lot of Micheal Bay. Appeasing to the lowest common denominator.

For me it felt more like a reboot of the whole series. Basically JJ Abrams version of A New Hope over a continuation of a story.
Mad Max and The Hateful Eight are by far the best movies this year. That doesn't mean Ep7 wasn't great, because it was.

It's the best Star Wars movie since Empire Strikes Back.

Excellent acting.
Great action, that was a good balance of the OG trilogy and the OTT prequels.
Good characters.
The plot is basically a bette version of ANH. This isn't even a bad thing.

It was very much a continuation of the franchise. And a great one at that.
I'm surprised you aren't freaking out over its similarities to A New Hope.

What?

Risay117 · January 07, 2016, 10:04:05 PM

Quote from: Rocketman287 on January 07, 2016, 09:57:03 PM

Quote from: Lemnator on January 07, 2016, 11:44:57 AM
Quote from: Risay117 on January 07, 2016, 11:37:02 AM
Quote from: Lemnator on January 07, 2016, 11:33:29 AM
Quote from: Risay117 on January 07, 2016, 11:31:34 AM
Why does everyone think the new Star Wars is a great movie.
Because we aren't edgy neckbeards
And I am not being edgy. It is a good movie. It just not that amazing. I mean mad max felt like a better movie as well as the hateful eight. I can appreciate it but cannot give it a great score. I would recommend movies such as The Martian. But this does not seem like it has much in it. Reminds me a lot of Micheal Bay. Appeasing to the lowest common denominator.

For me it felt more like a reboot of the whole series. Basically JJ Abrams version of A New Hope over a continuation of a story.
Mad Max and The Hateful Eight are by far the best movies this year. That doesn't mean Ep7 wasn't great, because it was.

It's the best Star Wars movie since Empire Strikes Back.

Excellent acting.
Great action, that was a good balance of the OG trilogy and the OTT prequels.
Good characters.
The plot is basically a bette version of ANH. This isn't even a bad thing.

It was very much a continuation of the franchise. And a great one at that.
I'm surprised you aren't freaking out over its similarities to A New Hope.

I did. In another post. It is basically A new hope all over again and a bit of stuff from the other two movies chucked in. I hated it for that reason. And the parts that made A new Hope great were missing from this movie. Phantasm was shit. The bomber scenes were shit. A fleet of X-wing somehow just coming in. 30 or something more taking on a planetary base which should have housed more than Tie Fighters.

Also how small the Galaxy felt. And the Republic and it's story ignored. This movie I feel should have been in the later half of the trilogy.

Plus Rey becoming force sensitive and like OP on the first try. Personally if I received a sixth sense it would be hard for me to control. And if I did use it early on with any sense of power. It would be under the influence of the darks side. As the dark side relies on the emotion and that is easier to use and lash out with. In comparison to the light side which relied on a lot of internal calmness and devoid of emotions.

Mind you I am not hating it and am just exaggerating my feelings. It was fun. But nothing felt epic.

Winy · January 07, 2016, 10:08:32 PM

Quote from: Risay117 on January 07, 2016, 11:31:34 AM

And canon wise it makes no sense, especially with the first order and how they came about and where the fuck stoke came from.

1. Snoke

2. I don't really care what you thought of the movie, but do you know what "Canon" means?

Risay117 · January 07, 2016, 10:14:31 PM

Quote from: Winy on January 07, 2016, 10:08:32 PM

Quote from: Risay117 on January 07, 2016, 11:31:34 AM
And canon wise it makes no sense, especially with the first order and how they came about and where the fuck stoke came from.
1. Snoke

2. I don't really care what you thought of the movie, but do you know what "Canon" means?

Well the Canon keeps changing. But for me. A sudden change in the Empire and the Republic view on each other cannot be that fast. The Republic. Which just came out of a war, suddenly wants peace and no war with the empire remnants. Hell not even any effort to build an espionage network to keep themselves in the know of the empires movement and the rise of a new emperor called Snoke?

Actually another thing I read before is that in a former script the new superweapon was actually a Republic project as a super weapon against the empire and any other threat. That was against the advice of Liea who believed such a weapon should not exist.. And the Knight's of Ren in the second movie gain control of it with the empire remnants. With the third movie being the resistance and the Republic wiping it out.

Girl of Mystery · January 07, 2016, 11:25:58 PM

Quote from: Risay117 on January 07, 2016, 10:14:31 PM

Quote from: Winy on January 07, 2016, 10:08:32 PM
Quote from: Risay117 on January 07, 2016, 11:31:34 AM
And canon wise it makes no sense, especially with the first order and how they came about and where the fuck stoke came from.
1. Snoke

2. I don't really care what you thought of the movie, but do you know what "Canon" means?
Well the Canon keeps changing. But for me. A sudden change in the Empire and the Republic view on each other cannot be that fast. The Republic. Which just came out of a war, suddenly wants peace and no war with the empire remnants. Hell not even any effort to build an espionage network to keep themselves in the know of the empires movement and the rise of a new emperor called Snoke?

Actually another thing I read before is that in a former script the new superweapon was actually a Republic project as a super weapon against the empire and any other threat. That was against the advice of Liea who believed such a weapon should not exist.. And the Knight's of Ren in the second movie gain control of it with the empire remnants. With the third movie being the resistance and the Republic wiping it out.

i don't think you know what "canon" means

Risay117 · January 07, 2016, 11:37:59 PM

Quote from: Lemnator on January 07, 2016, 11:25:58 PM

Quote from: Risay117 on January 07, 2016, 10:14:31 PM
Quote from: Winy on January 07, 2016, 10:08:32 PM
Quote from: Risay117 on January 07, 2016, 11:31:34 AM
And canon wise it makes no sense, especially with the first order and how they came about and where the fuck stoke came from.
1. Snoke

2. I don't really care what you thought of the movie, but do you know what "Canon" means?
Well the Canon keeps changing. But for me. A sudden change in the Empire and the Republic view on each other cannot be that fast. The Republic. Which just came out of a war, suddenly wants peace and no war with the empire remnants. Hell not even any effort to build an espionage network to keep themselves in the know of the empires movement and the rise of a new emperor called Snoke?

Actually another thing I read before is that in a former script the new superweapon was actually a Republic project as a super weapon against the empire and any other threat. That was against the advice of Liea who believed such a weapon should not exist.. And the Knight's of Ren in the second movie gain control of it with the empire remnants. With the third movie being the resistance and the Republic wiping it out.
i don't think you know what "canon" means

You are right. I am mixing it up and using it interchangeably with the plot.

Winy · January 08, 2016, 12:35:58 AM

Verbatim · January 08, 2016, 12:31:23 PM

YouTube

Worth a watch, I'd say.

Verbatim · January 08, 2016, 12:34:13 PM

Also, that one storm trooper's name is FN-2199 (or "Nines"). His weapon is called a Z6 baton.

Dietrich Six · January 08, 2016, 01:06:22 PM

I thought it was excellent. The fucking traitor memes killed that scene for me though, and is it just me or was it insanely hard to see the knights of ren in the movie?

Big Boss · January 08, 2016, 01:26:15 PM

https://www.change.org/p/disney-lucasfilm-kathleen-kennedy-george-lucas-back-to-the-star-wars-movies

RomanGladiator · January 08, 2016, 02:53:54 PM

Quote from: Big Boss on January 08, 2016, 01:26:15 PM

https://www.change.org/p/disney-lucasfilm-kathleen-kennedy-george-lucas-back-to-the-star-wars-movies

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Anonymous (User Deleted) · January 08, 2016, 10:45:06 PM

Ladies and gentlemen, your Dark Lord of the Sith:

RomanGladiator · January 09, 2016, 05:41:05 AM

When you have to deal with two traitors
http://2new1.fjcdn.com/hdgifs/Encountering+two+traitors+at+once_c149f9_5793174.mp4

RomanGladiator · January 09, 2016, 05:42:00 AM

Quote from: Kupoop on January 08, 2016, 10:45:06 PM

Ladies and gentlemen, your Dark Lord of the Sith:

YouTube

I know why he turned

RomanGladiator · January 09, 2016, 05:43:26 AM

Quote from: Kupoop on January 08, 2016, 10:45:06 PM

Ladies and gentlemen, your Dark Lord of the Sith:

There's been a barbecuing, have you smelt it?

Yes.

Even you, Master of the Knights of Grill, have never faced such a test.

By the grace of your training I will not over-season.

We shall see....we shall see.

RomanGladiator · January 09, 2016, 05:44:37 AM

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Mattie G Indahouse · January 09, 2016, 09:22:43 AM

TR-8R has no soul.