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Then where is the rationality in dying?
You realize that's exactly what I'm trying to say, right?

Here's an interesting thought:
If all life on Earth (from all the kingdoms) killed themselves, every problem in the world would be solved. Perhaps even the universe.

But it has to be everything.
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Then where is the rationality in dying?
You realize that's exactly what I'm trying to say, right?

Here's an interesting thought:
If all life on Earth (from all the kingdoms) killed themselves, every problem in the world would be solved. Perhaps even the universe.

But it has to be everything.
i dont know if you've seen it, but matthew mcconaughey's character in true detective says something along these lines early on in the series. "we are things that labor under the illusion of having a self... this secretion of sensory experience and feeling.. programmed with total assurance that we are each somebody, when in fact, everybody's nobody. i think the honorable thing for our species to do is deny our programming, stop reproducing, walk hand and hand into extinction, one last midnight, brothers and sisters opting out of a raw deal."


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Maybe in social settings.  Instead of declining a puff I'd take one.  No way am I spending money on that shit, though.


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Maybe in social settings.  Instead of declining a puff I'd take one.  No way am I spending money on that shit, though.
good move.. its pretty draining on the funds in illegal states. i hear its much more affordable in colorado, now that they pretty much have their pot infrastructure fully functional


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Long live NoNolesNeckin.

Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
Here's an interesting thought:
If all life on Earth (from all the kingdoms) killed themselves, every problem in the world would be solved. Perhaps even the universe.
I hold a different point of view. In my eyes, a problem is only solved when those who are influenced by it are there to experience the the consequence of that problem being eliminated.

If all sentient life was gone then I say that nothing would be solved because all issues would not exist, and there would be nothing to solve in the first place.

And I say that there is no rationality in such an event because sentience must exist for rationality to even manifest.


 
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Then where is the rationality in dying?
You realize that's exactly what I'm trying to say, right?

Here's an interesting thought:
If all life on Earth (from all the kingdoms) killed themselves, every problem in the world would be solved. Perhaps even the universe.

But it has to be everything.
i dont know if you've seen it, but matthew mcconaughey's character in true detective says something along these lines early on in the series. "we are things that labor under the illusion of having a self... this secretion of sensory experience and feeling.. programmed with total assurance that we are each somebody, when in fact, everybody's nobody. i think the honorable thing for our species to do is deny our programming, stop reproducing, walk hand and hand into extinction, one last midnight, brothers and sisters opting out of a raw deal."
You've piqued my interest. I'll have to check it out, I guess.


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Then where is the rationality in dying?
You realize that's exactly what I'm trying to say, right?

Here's an interesting thought:
If all life on Earth (from all the kingdoms) killed themselves, every problem in the world would be solved. Perhaps even the universe.

But it has to be everything.
i dont know if you've seen it, but matthew mcconaughey's character in true detective says something along these lines early on in the series. "we are things that labor under the illusion of having a self... this secretion of sensory experience and feeling.. programmed with total assurance that we are each somebody, when in fact, everybody's nobody. i think the honorable thing for our species to do is deny our programming, stop reproducing, walk hand and hand into extinction, one last midnight, brothers and sisters opting out of a raw deal."
You've piqued my interest. I'll have to check it out, I guess.
full disclosure, his character is "in too deep" when it comes to drugs/booze. but the series is very visceral and cerebral, and is easily digested since its only 10 hour long episodes.


 
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If all sentient life was gone then I say that nothing would be solved because all issues would not exist, and there would be nothing to solve in the first place.
The important thing is that there would be nothing wrong, either.
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And I say that there is no rationality in such an event because sentience must exist for rationality to even manifest.
Sounds like presuppositionalist bullshit, to me.

I guess I'm for the destruction of rationality, too, then. I don't care. My whole point is that humans suffer, and the ones who don't suffer still have the capacity to do so and the ability to cause others to suffer through reproduction. This is an insidious waste and it should cease to exist.

What you're basically arguing for, right now, is the perpetuation of problems. You want problems to exist. That's... Yeah, that's evil.


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"flaming nipple chops"-Your host, the man they call Ghost.

To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
If all sentient life was gone then I say that nothing would be solved because all issues would not exist, and there would be nothing to solve in the first place.
The important thing is that there would be nothing wrong, either.
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And I say that there is no rationality in such an event because sentience must exist for rationality to even manifest.
Sounds like presuppositionalist bullshit, to me.

I guess I'm for the destruction of rationality, too, then. I don't care. My whole point is that humans suffer, and the ones who don't suffer still have the capacity to do so and the ability to cause others to suffer through reproduction. This is an insidious waste and it should cease to exist.

What you're basically arguing for, right now, is the perpetuation of problems. You want problems to exist. That's... Yeah, that's evil.
But it's also wanting good to exist, which is good.


 
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Evil outweighs it, by far. It's also evil to want things to exist just because you personally think it's "good". It's called selfishness.


 
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Long live NoNolesNeckin.

Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
Sounds like presuppositionalist bullshit, to me.
It's only logical to assume that logic in and of itself is conditioned by sentience. What room is there for rationality when there is no room for conception in the first place?

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What you're basically arguing for, right now, is the perpetuation of problems. You want problems to exist. That's... Yeah, that's evil.
Well I never implied what I wanted. I'm only attempting to convey the truth in a relative sense.


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So... I guess I'm going to have to pick up after your horrendous mistakes on here too?
Doing drugs? In Texas?

No thanks, m8.
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It always comes down to your ridiculous self inflicted genocide or whatever you call it.
I like how if the population decides not to have kids anymore, that's genocide to you. I guess that makes everyone who's already not having kids serial killers.
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Long live NoNolesNeckin.

Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
If all sentient life was gone then I say that nothing would be solved because all issues would not exist, and there would be nothing to solve in the first place.
The important thing is that there would be nothing wrong, either.
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And I say that there is no rationality in such an event because sentience must exist for rationality to even manifest.
Sounds like presuppositionalist bullshit, to me.

I guess I'm for the destruction of rationality, too, then. I don't care. My whole point is that humans suffer, and the ones who don't suffer still have the capacity to do so and the ability to cause others to suffer through reproduction. This is an insidious waste and it should cease to exist.

What you're basically arguing for, right now, is the perpetuation of problems. You want problems to exist. That's... Yeah, that's evil.
It always comes down to your ridiculous self inflicted genocide or whatever you call it.

We just HAD to let this motherfucker back in.
Get over it for now. This hasn't gotten out of hand yet, so don't start it down that path.


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I wouldn't know until presented with the chance but right now I don't think I would.


 
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It's only logical to assume that logic in and of itself is conditioned by sentience.
Are you some kind of solipsist or something? What is this? Yes, there absolutely exists logic in the universe even if there's no sentient life to perceive it. It doesn't just go away once we do. That's arbitrary.


 
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Everybody goes through shit.
I hope you go through the absolute worst of it, then. Then tell me life is worth it. I wanna steal all your money and then tell you do deal with it, or off yourself, if that's honestly your attitude about it.

The fact that you can make the conscious statement of "Everybody goes through shit" and not see that as a problem is disgusting. Because you're right, everybody DOES go through shit, but everybody doesn't HAVE to go through shit. You just have to not impose life upon them.
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Long live NoNolesNeckin.

Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
It's only logical to assume that logic in and of itself is conditioned by sentience.
Are you some kind of solipsist or something? What is this? Yes, there absolutely exists logic in the universe even if there's no sentient life to perceive it. It doesn't just go away once we do. That's arbitrary.
I believe the universe just does as it is conditioned to do, not because something is deciding it should do according to logic.

Your definition of logic seems to be akin to action and reaction, or karma (consequence.)
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Your definition of logic seems to be akin to action and reaction, or karma (consequence.)
I hope you're not accusing me in believing in that mystical "what comes around goes around" bullshit. Like, if someone does something bad, they're always gonna get their comeuppance in some form or another? No, I don't believe that crazy shit, but I assume you mean it in a more broad sense that I was not sure of the existence of.


 
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Don't worry, already dealt with that and more.
You've had cancer? You've been tortured? You've been shot? Stabbed? Mutilated? Starved?

I mean, your own opinion on life doesn't justify life, either, so either way, it's irrelevant.


 
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Long live NoNolesNeckin.

Ya fuckin' ganderneck.
Your definition of logic seems to be akin to action and reaction, or karma (consequence.)
I hope you're not accusing me in believing in that mystical "what comes around goes around" bullshit. Like, if someone does something bad, they're always gonna get their comeuppance in some form or another? No, I don't believe that crazy shit, but I assume you mean it in a more broad sense that I was not sure of the existence of.
Karma isn't some mystical force. It's just the nature of consequence and influence.

IE: If you play with fire long enough, you'll eventually get burned. Not because some divine force decided to teach you a lesson. Simply because you made a mistake and burned yourself.

A broader example is that if you cause suffering then there will undoubtedly be more suffering in the environment you happen to be in and you will inevitably suffer more yourself, unless you somehow manage to escape the influence of your actions or just stop caring about anything that would cause you to suffer to the point that your ego is unaffected by it all.


 
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Don't worry, already dealt with that and more.
your own opinion on life doesn't justify life
But your opinion justifies nonexistence?
Because the burden of proof isn't on me to demonstrate why, because I'm making the negative assertion, placing the onus on you to demonstrate why life is worth living. Sorry.
Your definition of logic seems to be akin to action and reaction, or karma (consequence.)
I hope you're not accusing me in believing in that mystical "what comes around goes around" bullshit. Like, if someone does something bad, they're always gonna get their comeuppance in some form or another? No, I don't believe that crazy shit, but I assume you mean it in a more broad sense that I was not sure of the existence of.
Karma isn't some mystical force. It's just the nature of consequence and influence.

IE: If you play with fire long enough, you'll eventually get burned. Not because some divine force decided to teach you a lesson. Simply because you made a mistake and burned yourself.

A broader example is that if you cause suffering then there will undoubtedly be more suffering in the environment you happen to be in and you will inevitably suffer more yourself, unless you somehow manage to escape the influence of your actions or just stop caring about anything that would cause you to suffer to the point that your ego is unaffected by it all.
I prefer to call that "statistical inevitability."


 
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There is nothing either good or bad but thinking makes it so.
Love life; but take nothing too seriously.
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