Quote from: Fishcakes on March 22, 2017, 09:06:16 PM

Quote from: whomst u speakin to, thot on March 22, 2017, 08:57:14 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on March 22, 2017, 08:47:31 PM

Quote from: whomst u speakin to, thot on March 22, 2017, 08:40:46 PM

i think the idea is supposed to be that if you have a job, you're contributing to the functionality of society, but i suppose the money aspect might overshadow that

it overshadows it completely

no one works out of the goodness of their heart--what are we, fair? compassionate? intelligent? humanitarian?

that's a pretty bleak outlook, but i mean idk if can really argue against it without sounding like the overly optimistic teenager i am

Well, since contribution isn't a good motivator money is the next best thing.

And thank god, because otherwise Verbatim could be as lazy and useless as he likes for his entire life and it would be our work that provides for him.

except i'd be happy as fuck to work if money didn't exist

I doubt it.

You, a white man with an education, are poised to be very successful in this system.

If the idea has ever even crossed your mind that the cost of living should be $0, then you would be first in line at the welfare office when they declared they would cover all of your living expenses no questions asked.

Quote from: Fishcakes on March 22, 2017, 09:14:12 PM

I doubt it.

You, a white man with an education, are poised to be very successful in this system.

If the idea has ever even crossed your mind that the cost of living should be $0, then you would be first in line at the welfare office when they declared they would cover all of your living expenses no questions asked.

except i fear the stigma too much, and i love being a spiteful cunt to capitalist shitheads like you

the best part of having a job is being able to tell people like you that i hate every second of it

I don't know what you mean by people like me. I'm not a hardcore capitalist; I'm an opportunist. I want to do something with what's before me.

I don't have an ethical predisposition toward an economic system, I'm just concerned with succeeding, and if you don't want to take advantage of every opportunity you have before you, then that's a problem for me

Most people on welfare today are beyond fault in my book, but when someone like you, with no reason they shouldn't work says they don't want to, it rubs me the wrong way.

A wasted opportunity is unforgivable.

Quote from: Fishcakes on March 22, 2017, 09:25:40 PM

I don't know what you mean by people like me. I'm not a hardcore capitalist; I'm an opportunist. I want to do something with what's before me.

I don't have an ethical predisposition toward an economic system, I'm just concerned with succeeding, and if you don't want to take advantage of every opportunity you have before you, then that's a problem for me

Most people on welfare today are beyond fault in my book, but when someone like you, with no reason they shouldn't work says they don't want to, it rubs me the wrong way.

A wasted opportunity is unforgivable.

how about the fact that it fuels my depression and makes me cripplingly miserable, with my only solace being that i get to complain a lot about it, which gives me a small bit of release

i almost put my first paycheck to a fire

don't cut yourself on that edge

Quote from: Fishcakes on March 22, 2017, 09:25:40 PM

I don't know what you mean by people like me. I'm not a hardcore capitalist; I'm an opportunist. I want to do something with what's before me.

I don't have an ethical predisposition toward an economic system, I'm just concerned with succeeding, and if you don't want to take advantage of every opportunity you have before you, then that's a problem for me

Most people on welfare today are beyond fault in my book, but when someone like you, with no reason they shouldn't work says they don't want to, it rubs me the wrong way.

A wasted opportunity is unforgivable.

how about the fact that it fuels my depression and makes me cripplingly miserable, with my only solace being that i get to complain a lot about it, which gives me a small bit of release

i almost put my first paycheck to a fire, just to make a statement--someone had to convince me not to and just donate it all instead

your entire life is a wasted opportunity, by the way; to be an opportunist is to beg for failure

wait a minute

>mmxvii
>receiving physical cheques

wait a minute

>mmxvii
>receiving physical cheques

just an expression

obviously i'd go to the bank, withdraw whatever i made, and burn that

Quote from: Flee on March 22, 2017, 03:52:27 PM

I don't see how that was glib at all. Either way, it wasn't intentional. I was just trying to point out that work isn't all crap. Maybe your current job is, but don't let that stop you from finding something better.

you don't seem to understand just how vehemently opposed i am to the concept of a "job" in the first place, and that's why your post came off as glib to me--though i guess i can't blame you for not knowing how i feel about this since i don't talk about it much

basically i hate jobs on a conceptual level because i'm an entitled millenial who doesn't believe i should have to work AT ALL to maintain a healthy, comfortable existence on earth

we get jobs because it costs money to live, and i think that's a sick joke--only i can't laugh now, because now i'm just another cog in the machine; something i've gravely feared since childhood

because of this outlook, there is literally no job out there for me, because it all boils down to making enough worthless pieces of green paper so i can continue the next day to make even more worthless pieces of green paper, for the rest of my pointless life, for no ultimate purpose or greater goal

i hate money and i hate working for it, but i do it because society says i have to--or else i die, or i'm considered a "leech"

please draw me the silver lining in all of this

Society and large population centers like to paint it like they're all there is. Our generation wasn't taught much beyond just assimilating into what was already established. We weren't given other options.

Listen before you laugh. Consider what my life was. First thing comes to mind is difficult. It was a choice for important reasons beyond being brought to where I was by family. I chose to stay.

I agree with your sentiments up to a point. Work is required of you no matter what you do. Even for things you enjoy. Even my lifestyle was bound to society as it is today. I was as fringe as I could get without taking it to the extremes and becoming fully isolationist.

Work is required no matter what. Feel happy or sad about it. Your decision. Whatever you pick doesn't change the reality or the responsability no matter how harsh it is to you.

What you can do is choose why you work. I hated long-term jobs. That signed paperwork shit and scheduled hours. Fuck away. Made myself a jack of all trades and  took small jobs wherever I could. I was never trapped to one thing. Just new and short things. Just enough to be refreshing but not long enough to tire. Made the minimum money that was necessary for me to survive and to get what little I wanted.

Everything else, I tried to be independant. I wanted to make my home off the grid. Wanted to grow my own food, wanted to provide my own heat in the winter. All very hard work. But it was mine.

I used a heavy antique tiller to shred the dirt. Two passes to make the garden. Burned to a crisp in the sun making hills, planting seeds, and weeding. End of the year, pulled everything out. I want you to imagine the work I did carrying 800 pounds of potatoes, walking 100 feet into a house, ducking into a short cieling basement to store the potatoes. I did that alone with two five galleon buckets until all the potatoes were stored.

You'd have hated every second of it, just like me. I'm weak to heat, summer sucks, and carrying that down the stairs into a ceiling that's not tall enough sucked. But for the entire winter and the rest of the year, anytime I wanted potatoes, there they were. No money needed, no trip to the store, no wondering what proccessed shit and chemicals there were. Just plain potatoes. Wasn't too fond of the work but the end result was worth it every single time because it was all me.

I didn't have to grow those potatoes. Didn't have to make that garden. Coulda just gotten a job like everybody else and bought the cheap shit from the store. I could've gotten a job in town at the gas station. I chose the hard way. Learning every angle to be a jack of all trades which included some downright ass jobs nobody else would take but they always ended shortly.

You might not understand the point since you're so wrapped up in your own thoughts on things, which is your choice. The short here is, there's things beyond society and the trends. Some are hard to reach. But it's a different kind of work. Honestly I think that's something our generation lacks. Work. Not mindless work like they teach you. Purposeful work.

Some advice if you don't like the money.

Split the payhcecks. Save some for you because you factually know you'll need it. Use the rest on other people who're more caught up in it than you are.