Quote from: Verbatim on August 17, 2015, 09:10:44 PM

Quote from: challengerX on August 17, 2015, 08:49:46 PM

Quote from: A Cheese Potato on August 17, 2015, 08:12:27 PM

this thread is a real meating of the minds

You're my favorite superhero

don't you have bigger fish to fry

than to butter him all up

you're really cheesing me off

oh a challenger huh

You had better raise the steaks.

Quote from: Nick McIntyre on August 17, 2015, 09:24:58 PM

Quote from: A Cheese Potato on August 17, 2015, 09:12:58 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 17, 2015, 09:10:44 PM

Quote from: challengerX on August 17, 2015, 08:49:46 PM

Quote from: A Cheese Potato on August 17, 2015, 08:12:27 PM

this thread is a real meating of the minds

You're my favorite superhero

don't you have bigger fish to fry

than to butter him all up

you're really cheesing me off

oh a challenger huh

You had better raise the steaks.

oh thanks, you got here in the nick of time

Stop, you're getting too cheesey.

Quote from: Nick McIntyre on August 17, 2015, 09:38:53 PM

Quote from: A Cheese Potato on August 17, 2015, 09:28:55 PM

Quote from: Nick McIntyre on August 17, 2015, 09:24:58 PM

Quote from: A Cheese Potato on August 17, 2015, 09:12:58 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 17, 2015, 09:10:44 PM

Quote from: challengerX on August 17, 2015, 08:49:46 PM

Quote from: A Cheese Potato on August 17, 2015, 08:12:27 PM

this thread is a real meating of the minds

You're my favorite superhero

don't you have bigger fish to fry

than to butter him all up

you're really cheesing me off

oh a challenger huh

You had better raise the steaks.

oh thanks, you got here in the nick of time

Stop, you're getting too cheesey.

Oh dairy me

Are you for cereal?

Quote from: A Cheese Potato on August 17, 2015, 09:43:59 PM

Quote from: Nick McIntyre on August 17, 2015, 09:38:53 PM

Quote from: A Cheese Potato on August 17, 2015, 09:28:55 PM

Quote from: Nick McIntyre on August 17, 2015, 09:24:58 PM

Quote from: A Cheese Potato on August 17, 2015, 09:12:58 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 17, 2015, 09:10:44 PM

Quote from: challengerX on August 17, 2015, 08:49:46 PM

Quote from: A Cheese Potato on August 17, 2015, 08:12:27 PM

this thread is a real meating of the minds

You're my favorite superhero

don't you have bigger fish to fry

than to butter him all up

you're really cheesing me off

oh a challenger huh

You had better raise the steaks.

oh thanks, you got here in the nick of time

Stop, you're getting too cheesey.

Oh dairy me

Are you for cereal?

I think we're milking it now

Quote from: Korra Valentine on August 17, 2015, 08:27:22 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 17, 2015, 08:16:30 PM

I just don't know what to say to that. It's disappointing, but at the same time, I appreciate your candor.

I'm a flawed being that lives in a flawed world that resides in a chaotic universe. I'd be lying to myself if I said I was idealistically a good person. Which I'm not and never will be because the very actions I've done, that my species has done, are far from good. But then again, I really have little reason in caring, yes its bad that animals die for my pleasure, but I adhere to my pleasure because I'm selfish. And I'm selfish because I'm just human, and being a mortal is flawed to begin with.

Not trying to inflame, but don't you think it's kind of dishonest to surround your admission of selfishness with a bunch of rhetoric about being "only human"?

Because that's hardly a valid justification (and it must have been a justification, or you wouldn't have said it)...

I said being human is flawed, and I'm flawed because I'm only human. I'm not justifying anything.

Quote from: Pendulate on August 17, 2015, 11:10:07 PM

Quote from: Korra Valentine on August 17, 2015, 08:27:22 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on August 17, 2015, 08:16:30 PM

I just don't know what to say to that. It's disappointing, but at the same time, I appreciate your candor.

I'm a flawed being that lives in a flawed world that resides in a chaotic universe. I'd be lying to myself if I said I was idealistically a good person. Which I'm not and never will be because the very actions I've done, that my species has done, are far from good. But then again, I really have little reason in caring, yes its bad that animals die for my pleasure, but I adhere to my pleasure because I'm selfish. And I'm selfish because I'm just human, and being a mortal is flawed to begin with.

Not trying to inflame, but don't you think it's kind of dishonest to surround your admission of selfishness with a bunch of rhetoric about being "only human"?

Because that's hardly a valid justification (and it must have been a justification, or you wouldn't have said it)...

I said being human is flawed, and I'm flawed because I'm only human. I'm not justifying anything.

That's the very nature of the "only human" card, though. It's a justification.

I just find it odd how even as you confessed to a personal shortcoming you felt the need to explain it away with reference to things outside your control, such as the entire human race and your supposed 'nature'.

I don't see anything dishonest about what she said, really. Like, at all.

It doesn't justify anything, but, she's aware of that. She made the concession--I don't know what more you could ask for.

"I know I shouldn't go around killing/raping/insert repugnant act here. I'm just a shitty person I guess. But you know, humans are just shitty in general, and I'm only human, okay? It's in my nature to do this stuff."

I don't know about you but that seems rather more disingenuous than simply saying "I'm a shitty person and that's that."

Probably seems like I'm grilling her now, which I'm not, I've just noticed that someone taking full, unconditional responsibility for their actions is the rarest thing ever, and it nags me when people think they're doing it when they're not.

Well, it's hard for me to disagree with the idea that humans are just pieces of shit at their core.

So, from my perspective, she's being as honest as possible.

I'm not denying the truth of it. I'm saying it's a justification nonetheless.

It's kind of like appealing to determinism. "Hey, I'm causally determined to eat animals, okay?" I don't think it's unfair to say that that's an attempt to alleviate responsibility.

Quote from: Verbatim on August 17, 2015, 11:35:41 PM

Well, it's hard for me to disagree with the idea that humans are just pieces of shit at their core.

So, from my perspective, she's being as honest as possible.

I'm not denying the truth of it. I'm saying it's a justification nonetheless.

It's kind of like appealing to determinism. "Hey, I'm causally determined to eat animals, okay?" I don't think it's unfair to say that that's an attempt to alleviate responsibility.

It's not unfair, no. But what are you gonna do about it? Browbeating her until she takes "full, unconditional responsibility" isn't going to accomplish much, when, psychologically, she's close enough, in my book. I just think you're being petty.

Just throwing out there the fact that people and nature can be pretty, but they both suck giant schlong. I'll be the first in line for sapor surgery when it's an actual thing.

I'm not sure what that is.

Sapor = sense of taste

Oh.

Yeah, good idea. I'd like to acquire anosmia, personally.

Browbeating her until she takes "full, unconditional responsibility" isn't going to accomplish much, when, psychologically, she's close enough, in my book. I just think you're being petty.

Well I wouldn't commend someone for taking full responsibility either. Why should I?

Quote from: Verbatim on August 17, 2015, 11:51:49 PM

Quote from: Prime Quinx on August 17, 2015, 11:50:30 PM

Sapor = sense of taste

Oh.

Yeah, good idea. I'd like to acquire anosmia, personally.

But then I couldn't smell vanilla, and that's not the kind of world I can choose to live in.

The nice thing about it, though, is that it would also mitigate my sense of taste, without completely shutting it down. Because while I, too, could do without my sense of taste, there are some flavors I'm not sure I'm willing to give up, either.

Jeez guy, I already said that I wasn't trying to justify my nature just because I was human. I'm flawed because being human is flawed, I can't really go anywhere else from there.

You could always alter your taste instead of straight up destroying it. It would be great if fats didn't taste good.

cmon guys we were like peas in a pod earlier

Your cheesey ways betray you.