I don't get the hate for guys like Richard Spencer beyond just tribalism.

Loaf · November 08, 2017, 06:55:58 PM

I don't get the hate for guys like Richard Spencer beyond just tribalism. I don't agree with what he says, but he's level headed and seems like a guy who's honest about what he thinks. It's funny, because he's a guy who thinks the opposite of what most accepting and tolerant people in the united states think, out in the open without apologies. I mean, yeah it's not good stuff he's saying and it makes me kind of tired listening to him. But I don't hate him, I don't know why we have to hate people just because they think different points of view from us. What does that accomplish? You're just angry at the laws of nature; this is what happens when you have people. To get angry at the laws of nature is just a waste of time, you can't change the way people will inevitably be; definitely not by hating them. I wouldn't mind sitting down with Richard Spencer and having a calm talk over a cup of coffee, I'm sure it would be interesting and not unpleasant. He seems like a pleasant guy.

I mean, people think Richard Spencer is hateful, he doesn't seem so from his interviews (he's a bit ironic in that way, I admit). But let's say he was, why is it better to hate those who supposedly are bad because they hate? I guess you can hate for the right reasons? Fascists hate people for simply being people, when you hate a fascist you're doing the exact same thing; you're hating people for being people. I don't see that as much different from adopting their ideology for yourself. Yeah, human beings can be hard to not hate, so maybe that says more about you than it does the Nazis if you're not even willing to try. At least the nazis aren't hypocritical about it.

Casper · November 08, 2017, 07:04:08 PM

He's very poor at public speaking and the way he thinks he's the leader of the alt-right is (I'm not sure how else to put it) cringey. He's an uncharismatic wimp, and most of the time I wouldn't doubt he's a government plant

Loaf · November 08, 2017, 07:13:02 PM

Quote from: Casper on November 08, 2017, 07:04:08 PM

He's very poor at public speaking and the way he thinks he's the leader of the alt-right is (I'm not sure how else to put it) cringey. He's an uncharismatic wimp, and most of the time I wouldn't doubt he's a government plant

That's fine, if you just want to give your two cents about richard spencer. It doesn't address the deeper underlying issue of what I wrote though. I find that's a common problem with society in general, in not being able to read too deeply into things; probably because of the damaging effects social media has had on our brains, with everything being immediate and surface level in the mental processing human beings in the 21st century are used to. We're constantly bombarded with things that we need to make instant judgments of, it is reflected in the sort of discourse you see online for sure. If social media didn't cultivate this sort of mentality, I think the sort of conversations we see online would be a lot different.

challengerX · November 08, 2017, 07:14:07 PM

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DAS B00T x2 · November 08, 2017, 07:21:55 PM

Spencer is a cuck lol

Loaf · November 08, 2017, 07:41:43 PM

Where does "hate" become necessary though? We can say we want self defense and not have to poison our culture with hate for other human beings. That is pretty much the essence of tribalism, fear and disgust of those who are perceived as a threat. It's literally no different from what they do to those they perceive to be a threat. It is all tribalism.

Casper · November 08, 2017, 07:50:27 PM

Quote from: Loaf on November 08, 2017, 07:13:02 PM

Quote from: Casper on November 08, 2017, 07:04:08 PM
He's very poor at public speaking and the way he thinks he's the leader of the alt-right is (I'm not sure how else to put it) cringey. He's an uncharismatic wimp, and most of the time I wouldn't doubt he's a government plant
That's fine, if you just want to give your two cents about richard spencer. It doesn't address the deeper underlying issue of what I wrote though. I find that's a common problem with society in general, in not being able to read too deeply into things; probably because of the damaging effects social media has had on our brains, with everything being immediate and surface level in the mental processing human beings in the 21st century are used to. We're constantly bombarded with things that we need to make instant judgments of, it is reflected in the sort of discourse you see online for sure. If social media didn't cultivate this sort of mentality, I think the sort of conversations we see online would be a lot different.

Nigga I just saw Richard Spencer and wrote something. You really think I'm gonna read a Loaf paragraph, let alone two?

Loaf · November 08, 2017, 07:54:56 PM

Quote from: Casper on November 08, 2017, 07:50:27 PM

Quote from: Loaf on November 08, 2017, 07:13:02 PM
Quote from: Casper on November 08, 2017, 07:04:08 PM
He's very poor at public speaking and the way he thinks he's the leader of the alt-right is (I'm not sure how else to put it) cringey. He's an uncharismatic wimp, and most of the time I wouldn't doubt he's a government plant
That's fine, if you just want to give your two cents about richard spencer. It doesn't address the deeper underlying issue of what I wrote though. I find that's a common problem with society in general, in not being able to read too deeply into things; probably because of the damaging effects social media has had on our brains, with everything being immediate and surface level in the mental processing human beings in the 21st century are used to. We're constantly bombarded with things that we need to make instant judgments of, it is reflected in the sort of discourse you see online for sure. If social media didn't cultivate this sort of mentality, I think the sort of conversations we see online would be a lot different.
Nigga I just saw Richard Spencer and wrote something. You really think I'm gonna read a Loaf paragraph, let alone two?

Sadly no. I don't think your comments have any real bearing on what I say, consequentially.

Assassin 11D7 · November 08, 2017, 07:59:15 PM

fascists need to die tbh

Dietrich Six · November 09, 2017, 03:05:03 AM

Fascism is the way to be. The most efficient system is the best one.

big dog · November 09, 2017, 04:16:53 AM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on November 08, 2017, 07:59:15 PM

fascists need to die tbh

Flee · November 09, 2017, 08:05:30 AM

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Aether · November 09, 2017, 08:40:52 AM

Quote from: Flee on November 09, 2017, 08:05:30 AM

It's the abuse of rights clause. To what extent should our tolerance and human rights protection be given to those individuals and their ideology which inherently seeks to destroy rights it enjoys.

To the extent that they merely exercise their rights and don't actually infringe upon the rights of others.

Spencer or his supporters should be able to advocate for and talk about abhorrent politics to their hearts content so long as they don't actually break the law or prevent others from exercising their rights.

Flee · November 09, 2017, 09:03:11 AM

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DAS B00T x2 · November 09, 2017, 09:31:23 AM

Quote from: Flee on November 09, 2017, 08:05:30 AM

It's the abuse of rights clause. To what extent should our tolerance and human rights protection be given to those individuals and their ideology which inherently seeks to destroy rights it enjoys.

None. Which is why we throw communists from helicopters with no remorse and can rightfully claim it is self defense for society at large.

BaconShelf · November 09, 2017, 09:44:21 AM

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on November 09, 2017, 09:31:23 AM

Quote from: Flee on November 09, 2017, 08:05:30 AM
It's the abuse of rights clause. To what extent should our tolerance and human rights protection be given to those individuals and their ideology which inherently seeks to destroy rights it enjoys.
None. Which is why we throw communists from helicopters with no remorse and can rightfully claim it is self defense for society at large.

I can't wait to be the boot of my corporate overlords on Earth stomping over the commie insurrectionists on neo-soviet mars with my space shuttle door gun.

Mordo · November 09, 2017, 11:45:53 AM

THE ETHNOSTATES DONALD

SecondClass · November 09, 2017, 01:58:55 PM

Quote from: Casper on November 08, 2017, 07:50:27 PM

Quote from: Loaf on November 08, 2017, 07:13:02 PM
Quote from: Casper on November 08, 2017, 07:04:08 PM
He's very poor at public speaking and the way he thinks he's the leader of the alt-right is (I'm not sure how else to put it) cringey. He's an uncharismatic wimp, and most of the time I wouldn't doubt he's a government plant
That's fine, if you just want to give your two cents about richard spencer. It doesn't address the deeper underlying issue of what I wrote though. I find that's a common problem with society in general, in not being able to read too deeply into things; probably because of the damaging effects social media has had on our brains, with everything being immediate and surface level in the mental processing human beings in the 21st century are used to. We're constantly bombarded with things that we need to make instant judgments of, it is reflected in the sort of discourse you see online for sure. If social media didn't cultivate this sort of mentality, I think the sort of conversations we see online would be a lot different.
Nigga I just saw Richard Spencer and wrote something. You really think I'm gonna read a Loaf paragraph, let alone two?

HAHAHA you literally just proved everything he said there

Fucking retard