The UN Tried To Ban Hentai For Discrimination Against Women! (recent)

He literally believes his opinion on hentai is at all relevant to the discussion at hand.

i'm not talking about my opinion of hentai

i never once brought it up, and i'm not using it as an argument for anything at all ever

So basically you don't have an argument and you've been making a big deal out of nothing.

so because i'm on your side, i'm not allowed to point out when you make bad arguments

Except every point you've suggested has been unrelated to the topic of discussion.

saying that they're unrelated doesn't make them unrelated

okay, every point you're bringing up right now is unrelated to what i'm saying

I WIN!

is that how it works

Guys can't you see Verb is completely supporting your opinions while attacking them at the same time?

Dummies

We know.
The problem is he isn't joking.

He literally believes his opinion on hentai is at all relevant to the discussion at hand.

I'm starting to think this is all just a damage control effort by Verb after he wrongly accused me of using fallacies and nobody agreed with him. Especially since he expects me to list every single one of the countless possible wackjob arguments out there as to why somebody out there would be opposed to something in order to prove that i don't fail/am full of fallacy/whatever else he decides to use to keep this going until he gets the last word.

Only giving attention to the arguments that actually have standing doesn't mean that I think other arguments don't exist. If you honestly expect me to give the time of day to all the arguments out there that don't actually matter and aren't worth mentioning you really are looking to start shit over nothing.

but you see, saying that they don't matter doesn't mean that they don't matter

they're wrong

but they still matter

Except that's how a democratic organization like the UN works.

where do the limited resources come into play here

suppose hentai were banned in the US by democratic means

what about the UN having limited resources is relevant now

It requires resources to enforce legislation.

I'm starting to think this is all just a damage control effort by Verb after he wrongly accused me of using fallacies and nobody agreed with him.

none of which you have refuted in any way

just because people are stupid and don't agree doesn't mean that they're right

Especially since he expects me to list every single one of the countless possible wackjob arguments out there as to why somebody out there would be opposed to something in order to prove that i don't fail/am full of fallacy/whatever else he decides to use to keep this going until he gets the last word.

the only reason to be against a ban on hentai is because hentai is harmless

but trying to argue that the UN's resources would be "better" spent on other things is fallacious

this really isn't that complicated

Only giving attention to the arguments that actually have standing doesn't mean that I think other arguments don't exist. If you honestly expect me to give the time of day to all the arguments out there that don't actually matter and aren't worth mentioning you really are looking to start shit over nothing.

but you see, saying that they don't matter doesn't mean that they don't matter

they're wrong

but they still matter

no they don't, especially if they have nothing to do with the topic at hand

"we should ban hentai because i don't like eggs" has nothing to do with the subject of whether or not hentai has any negative affects on women and children

why on earth should anyone acknowledge its existence in that kind of discussion?

Except that's how a democratic organization like the UN works.

where do the limited resources come into play here

suppose hentai were banned in the US by democratic means

what about the UN having limited resources is relevant now

It requires resources to enforce legislation.

uh, yeah, no shit

the point is that, with hentai banned, the limited resources to enforce the legislation don't matter anyway--it's a different matter entirely

piracy is illegal, but no one ever gets arrested for piracy, because it's a waste of time and money

the same exact thing would apply to a hentai ban--so the limited resources argument is, again, irrelevant

So basically you don't have an argument and you've been making a big deal out of nothing.

so because i'm on your side, i'm not allowed to point out when you make bad arguments

Except every point you've suggested has been unrelated to the topic of discussion.

saying that they're unrelated doesn't make them unrelated

okay, every point you're bringing up right now is unrelated to what i'm saying

I WIN!

is that how it works

Let me break down the situation here.

"UN wants to ban hentai."
Why?
"They say its to protect women and children."
Well, there's no evidence to propagate that point.

Verbatim: 'Well you seeeee you're right that hentai shouldn't be banned, but its not because the point that the UN is making is wrong, its because of my own secret feelings that I'm going to be purposefully vague about so I can get my dick hard when somebody asks me what it is.'

I don't think that matters.
At all.

'BUH-BUH-BUH'
'MY THING!'
'THE THING THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT'

*Gotta somehow make this conversation about me so someone will ask*

I'm starting to think this is all just a damage control effort by Verb after he wrongly accused me of using fallacies and nobody agreed with him.

none of which you have refuted in any way

just because people are stupid and don't agree doesn't mean that they're right

Especially since he expects me to list every single one of the countless possible wackjob arguments out there as to why somebody out there would be opposed to something in order to prove that i don't fail/am full of fallacy/whatever else he decides to use to keep this going until he gets the last word.

the only reason to be against a ban on hentai is because hentai is harmless

but trying to argue that the UN's resources would be "better" spent on other things is fallacious

this really isn't that complicated

The UN should ban celery because it causes the oppression of women and children. If you prove me wrong and suggest that we tackle things like the sex trade and repressive theocratic regimes in the middle east instead because those things will actually help to alleviate the suffering of women and children you're just committing a fallacy.

Except that's how a democratic organization like the UN works.

where do the limited resources come into play here

suppose hentai were banned in the US by democratic means

what about the UN having limited resources is relevant now

It requires resources to enforce legislation.

uh, yeah, no shit

the point is that, with hentai banned, the limited resources to enforce the legislation don't matter anyway--it's a different matter entirely

piracy is illegal, but no one ever gets arrested for piracy, because it's a waste of time and money

the same exact thing would apply to a hentai ban--so the limited resources argument is, again, irrelevant

Making legislation they can't enforce is a waste of the UN's other precious resource: time.

If they can't do shit about it they don't need to discuss it.

It's wasteful.

Let me break down the situation here.

"UN wants to ban hentai."
Why?
"They say its to protect women and children."
Well, there's no evidence to propagate that point.

Verbatim: 'Well you seeeee you're right that hentai shouldn't be banned, but its not because the point that the UN is making is wrong, its because of my own secret feelings that I'm going to be purposefully vague about so I can get my dick hard when somebody asks me what it is.'

I don't think that matters.
At all.

'BUH-BUH-BUH'
'MY THING!'
'THE THING THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT'

*Gotta somehow make this conversation about me so someone will ask*

probably the shittiest possible way you could've "broken this situation down"

i probably said this three times, but i'm not talking about my "secret feelings" about hentai, which i don't have, because everyone knows that i fucking hate hentai

do i think hentai should be banned because i fucking hate it? no, and i never once said that it should

there are OTHER arguments that, while i don't personally subscribe to them, are STILL out there, and they're worth responding to

unlike you, i'm capable of looking at a number of different perspectives than my own

The UN should ban celery because it causes the oppression of women and children. If you prove me wrong and suggest that we tackle things like the sex trade and repressive theocratic regimes in the middle east instead because those things will actually help to alleviate the suffering of women and children you're just committing a fallacy.

yes

mostly because you haven't actually DONE the underlined part yet

and maybe there are other good reasons to ban celery that you're not accounting for

the UN once again proving they're the shittiest international treaty in existence

I'm surprised you're actually against the UN on this.

STOP THAT MADWOMAN

When I noticed my thread had gotten 72 replies I had actually expected a worthwhile convo to read, not Fallacy fallacy, ad Hominem bullshit.

the UN once again proving they're the shittiest international treaty in existence

I'm surprised you're actually against the UN on this.

How? Banning porn doesn't make any difference in social climate. Not to mention the UN is retarded in every aspect anyway.

When I noticed my thread had gotten 72 replies I had actually expected a worthwhile convo to read, not Fallacy fallacy, ad Hominem bullshit.

you have LC's piss-poor argumentation skills to blame

LMAO

The UN should ban celery because it causes the oppression of women and children. If you prove me wrong and suggest that we tackle things like the sex trade and repressive theocratic regimes in the middle east instead because those things will actually help to alleviate the suffering of women and children you're just committing a fallacy.

yes

mostly because you haven't actually DONE the underlined part yet

and maybe there are other good reasons to ban celery that you're not accounting for

If it's already generally understood by everyone here (including yourself) then there's no reason for me to spend the time and effort creating a wall of text filled with links showing that there have been no (legitimate) studies done that have been able to link cartoon porn to the real world oppression and/or harm of real world women and children. We can skip that part of the discussion entirely because doing otherwise would just be a lengthy retread of shit everyone already knows.

The only difference between you and Camnator at this point (sans ideology) is that Camnators mental gymnastics could be amusing, yours are just mildly annoying.

When I noticed my thread had gotten 72 replies I had actually expected a worthwhile convo to read, not Fallacy fallacy, ad Hominem bullshit.

you have LC's piss-poor argumentation skills to blame

LMAO

Ok I take my comment back, you trying to pull this despite being shut down by everyone on every page of this thread is kind of amusing.

Guys can't you see Verb is completely supporting your opinions while attacking them at the same time?

Dummies

if someone were to become a vegan because of health reasons and not ethical ones, i'd support their decision, but i would attack their reasoning

it's possible for the people on your side to be fucking idiots who make your side look bad, and it's necessary to argue with these people

So your reason for arguing is because you don't think there are bigger problems for the UN than hentai?

There is a point where relative privation isn't a fallacy you know

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>Three pages of people arguing LITERALLY about arguing

I'm at work, someone please post the Malcom In The Middle image saying "I expected nothing and I'm still disappointed."

Incorrectly throwing out fallacies doesn't make you correct.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fallacy_fallacy#Fallacy_fallacy_fallacy

Or is this another "I don't like it so therefore it's objectively wrong" episode from Verbatim?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

what the fuck

Fuck bitches, get money.

I missed coming to Sep7.

>Three pages of people arguing LITERALLY about arguing

I'm at work, someone please post the Malcom In The Middle image saying "I expected nothing and I'm still disappointed."

No, this about what you'd expect for a thread with Verb in it after a page. Normally anyway.

wtf i hate cartoons now