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one could give the situation of "lift heavy boxes for women because as a male you are likely more apt to do so"but it could simply be said that "if you are the stronger of two people in a situation, offer to do the brunt of the physical work"
Quote from: eggsalad on May 28, 2015, 04:03:22 PMQuote from: Logicbot on May 28, 2015, 03:52:57 PMQuote from: Verbatim on May 28, 2015, 03:50:55 PMi don't give it a definition, because the idea is worthless to meif "manliness" is generally defined to be "how a man should act", as you put it, then that necessarily excludes women from that equationi'd amend that to "how men and women should act"--humanlinessand i already have another word for humanliness--it's called ethicsin which case, yes, i generally try my best to be an ethical personThat's assuming men and women are the same, but due to our different builds and such I think that it's our duty to help each other out to make up for the gaps.give examples of situations that are actually consistently different between gendersthus far QuoteOne of the parts of being manly in my book is that you should treat everyone with respect, because everyone might have a story to tell. It's what I think a man should act like, so I try my best.is definitely not an adequate example of something that isn't just trying to be a good person, rather than a good man specificallyOur roles in society, and not in dreamland. Women are often more submissive than men, and that's one point. They can't help it after they've formed into these expectations, and therefore you should help them come to terms with what they are.You're right, that's what a good person should do, but I'm a man, so I use what I know to apply it to scenarios that I'm familiar with. Most girls that I know are not like explained above. Same applies to men, but as a man, and human, I can say that my definition of manliness is this and that. I could say human, but saying man is specifying more, and it doesn't leave me open to too many assumptions. I don't know what it's like to be a woman, but I do know what it's like to be a man.
Quote from: Logicbot on May 28, 2015, 03:52:57 PMQuote from: Verbatim on May 28, 2015, 03:50:55 PMi don't give it a definition, because the idea is worthless to meif "manliness" is generally defined to be "how a man should act", as you put it, then that necessarily excludes women from that equationi'd amend that to "how men and women should act"--humanlinessand i already have another word for humanliness--it's called ethicsin which case, yes, i generally try my best to be an ethical personThat's assuming men and women are the same, but due to our different builds and such I think that it's our duty to help each other out to make up for the gaps.give examples of situations that are actually consistently different between gendersthus far QuoteOne of the parts of being manly in my book is that you should treat everyone with respect, because everyone might have a story to tell. It's what I think a man should act like, so I try my best.is definitely not an adequate example of something that isn't just trying to be a good person, rather than a good man specifically
Quote from: Verbatim on May 28, 2015, 03:50:55 PMi don't give it a definition, because the idea is worthless to meif "manliness" is generally defined to be "how a man should act", as you put it, then that necessarily excludes women from that equationi'd amend that to "how men and women should act"--humanlinessand i already have another word for humanliness--it's called ethicsin which case, yes, i generally try my best to be an ethical personThat's assuming men and women are the same, but due to our different builds and such I think that it's our duty to help each other out to make up for the gaps.
i don't give it a definition, because the idea is worthless to meif "manliness" is generally defined to be "how a man should act", as you put it, then that necessarily excludes women from that equationi'd amend that to "how men and women should act"--humanlinessand i already have another word for humanliness--it's called ethicsin which case, yes, i generally try my best to be an ethical person
One of the parts of being manly in my book is that you should treat everyone with respect, because everyone might have a story to tell. It's what I think a man should act like, so I try my best.
Quote from: Logicbot on May 28, 2015, 04:03:32 PMI believe in ethics to have a common ground, but what I'm talking about is the differences here, not the similarities. Every sane person would want both sexes to act well (ethics), but what is considered well for one sex exclusively if it has to? What are those trademark things?i don't think there are anyyou could say that, since women are biologically the "weaker" sex, men have an ethical responsibility to protect them, which would be a fair argument if it wasn't such a bad generalizationsome, if not most, women are very capable and independent without men
I believe in ethics to have a common ground, but what I'm talking about is the differences here, not the similarities. Every sane person would want both sexes to act well (ethics), but what is considered well for one sex exclusively if it has to? What are those trademark things?
Quote from: eggsalad on May 28, 2015, 04:05:37 PMone could give the situation of "lift heavy boxes for women because as a male you are likely more apt to do so"but it could simply be said that "if you are the stronger of two people in a situation, offer to do the brunt of the physical work"If that's your definition of a man, sure. Could be that someone else would prefer the above one because they want to get laid, but don't care about helping other people.
Yeah, but some women, as well as some males, would prefer it if the public speaker of the group would handle the task of speaking in public, even though everyone is capable. Some people rely on others for better results, because they might not want the responsibility.Some women want to be protected, or rather be treated like women are in movies and media depictions.
Quote from: Logicbot on May 28, 2015, 04:08:37 PMQuote from: eggsalad on May 28, 2015, 04:03:22 PMQuote from: Logicbot on May 28, 2015, 03:52:57 PMQuote from: Verbatim on May 28, 2015, 03:50:55 PMi don't give it a definition, because the idea is worthless to meif "manliness" is generally defined to be "how a man should act", as you put it, then that necessarily excludes women from that equationi'd amend that to "how men and women should act"--humanlinessand i already have another word for humanliness--it's called ethicsin which case, yes, i generally try my best to be an ethical personThat's assuming men and women are the same, but due to our different builds and such I think that it's our duty to help each other out to make up for the gaps.give examples of situations that are actually consistently different between gendersthus far QuoteOne of the parts of being manly in my book is that you should treat everyone with respect, because everyone might have a story to tell. It's what I think a man should act like, so I try my best.is definitely not an adequate example of something that isn't just trying to be a good person, rather than a good man specificallyOur roles in society, and not in dreamland. Women are often more submissive than men, and that's one point. They can't help it after they've formed into these expectations, and therefore you should help them come to terms with what they are.You're right, that's what a good person should do, but I'm a man, so I use what I know to apply it to scenarios that I'm familiar with. Most girls that I know are not like explained above. Same applies to men, but as a man, and human, I can say that my definition of manliness is this and that. I could say human, but saying man is specifying more, and it doesn't leave me open to too many assumptions. I don't know what it's like to be a woman, but I do know what it's like to be a man.I'm not going to agree to you establishing that women don't have any agency.
Quote from: eggsalad on May 28, 2015, 04:11:10 PMQuote from: Logicbot on May 28, 2015, 04:08:37 PMQuote from: eggsalad on May 28, 2015, 04:03:22 PMQuote from: Logicbot on May 28, 2015, 03:52:57 PMQuote from: Verbatim on May 28, 2015, 03:50:55 PMi don't give it a definition, because the idea is worthless to meif "manliness" is generally defined to be "how a man should act", as you put it, then that necessarily excludes women from that equationi'd amend that to "how men and women should act"--humanlinessand i already have another word for humanliness--it's called ethicsin which case, yes, i generally try my best to be an ethical personThat's assuming men and women are the same, but due to our different builds and such I think that it's our duty to help each other out to make up for the gaps.give examples of situations that are actually consistently different between gendersthus far QuoteOne of the parts of being manly in my book is that you should treat everyone with respect, because everyone might have a story to tell. It's what I think a man should act like, so I try my best.is definitely not an adequate example of something that isn't just trying to be a good person, rather than a good man specificallyOur roles in society, and not in dreamland. Women are often more submissive than men, and that's one point. They can't help it after they've formed into these expectations, and therefore you should help them come to terms with what they are.You're right, that's what a good person should do, but I'm a man, so I use what I know to apply it to scenarios that I'm familiar with. Most girls that I know are not like explained above. Same applies to men, but as a man, and human, I can say that my definition of manliness is this and that. I could say human, but saying man is specifying more, and it doesn't leave me open to too many assumptions. I don't know what it's like to be a woman, but I do know what it's like to be a man.I'm not going to agree to you establishing that women don't have any agency.It's not about the agency or lack of it, but rather the other party's agency. How good is the other person compared to me? I can kill two creatures in one day, but that person can kill three. Unfortunately there's only one spear, so one of us has to be the fighter.That's what I'm talking about. I'm not saying that the other person can't fight. I'm saying that one of them is better at fighting.
Quote from: Logicbot on May 28, 2015, 04:14:04 PMYeah, but some women, as well as some males, would prefer it if the public speaker of the group would handle the task of speaking in public, even though everyone is capable. Some people rely on others for better results, because they might not want the responsibility.Some women want to be protected, or rather be treated like women are in movies and media depictions.as do some menthis is why i don't even care to fuck with this "manliness" word
I accept both manliness and the female version of it. Womanlyness? How should a woman act? How should a man act? I'm not a woman, so I don't feel safe speaking for their sake. Thus I use the word manliness, because I'm not sure what women value that men don't as much.
Quote from: Logicbot on May 28, 2015, 04:18:23 PMQuote from: eggsalad on May 28, 2015, 04:11:10 PMQuote from: Logicbot on May 28, 2015, 04:08:37 PMQuote from: eggsalad on May 28, 2015, 04:03:22 PMQuote from: Logicbot on May 28, 2015, 03:52:57 PMQuote from: Verbatim on May 28, 2015, 03:50:55 PMi don't give it a definition, because the idea is worthless to meif "manliness" is generally defined to be "how a man should act", as you put it, then that necessarily excludes women from that equationi'd amend that to "how men and women should act"--humanlinessand i already have another word for humanliness--it's called ethicsin which case, yes, i generally try my best to be an ethical personThat's assuming men and women are the same, but due to our different builds and such I think that it's our duty to help each other out to make up for the gaps.give examples of situations that are actually consistently different between gendersthus far QuoteOne of the parts of being manly in my book is that you should treat everyone with respect, because everyone might have a story to tell. It's what I think a man should act like, so I try my best.is definitely not an adequate example of something that isn't just trying to be a good person, rather than a good man specificallyOur roles in society, and not in dreamland. Women are often more submissive than men, and that's one point. They can't help it after they've formed into these expectations, and therefore you should help them come to terms with what they are.You're right, that's what a good person should do, but I'm a man, so I use what I know to apply it to scenarios that I'm familiar with. Most girls that I know are not like explained above. Same applies to men, but as a man, and human, I can say that my definition of manliness is this and that. I could say human, but saying man is specifying more, and it doesn't leave me open to too many assumptions. I don't know what it's like to be a woman, but I do know what it's like to be a man.I'm not going to agree to you establishing that women don't have any agency.It's not about the agency or lack of it, but rather the other party's agency. How good is the other person compared to me? I can kill two creatures in one day, but that person can kill three. Unfortunately there's only one spear, so one of us has to be the fighter.That's what I'm talking about. I'm not saying that the other person can't fight. I'm saying that one of them is better at fighting.Why bother distinguishing gender in that situation rather than ability to kill?And if you are the better of two, why take pride in the fact you are male rather than you are a better hunter?
Quote from: Logicbot on May 28, 2015, 04:20:40 PMI accept both manliness and the female version of it. Womanlyness? How should a woman act? How should a man act? I'm not a woman, so I don't feel safe speaking for their sake. Thus I use the word manliness, because I'm not sure what women value that men don't as much.well, with that logic, you shouldn't be able to speak for all men, eitheri'm gonna assume you're whiteyou're not black, so you shouldn't feel safe speaking for black men, eitherhow should a white man act? how should a black man act?see, those questions probably leave a bad taste in your mouth--as they should
Quote from: eggsalad on May 28, 2015, 04:19:55 PMQuote from: Logicbot on May 28, 2015, 04:18:23 PMQuote from: eggsalad on May 28, 2015, 04:11:10 PMQuote from: Logicbot on May 28, 2015, 04:08:37 PMQuote from: eggsalad on May 28, 2015, 04:03:22 PMQuote from: Logicbot on May 28, 2015, 03:52:57 PMQuote from: Verbatim on May 28, 2015, 03:50:55 PMi don't give it a definition, because the idea is worthless to meif "manliness" is generally defined to be "how a man should act", as you put it, then that necessarily excludes women from that equationi'd amend that to "how men and women should act"--humanlinessand i already have another word for humanliness--it's called ethicsin which case, yes, i generally try my best to be an ethical personThat's assuming men and women are the same, but due to our different builds and such I think that it's our duty to help each other out to make up for the gaps.give examples of situations that are actually consistently different between gendersthus far QuoteOne of the parts of being manly in my book is that you should treat everyone with respect, because everyone might have a story to tell. It's what I think a man should act like, so I try my best.is definitely not an adequate example of something that isn't just trying to be a good person, rather than a good man specificallyOur roles in society, and not in dreamland. Women are often more submissive than men, and that's one point. They can't help it after they've formed into these expectations, and therefore you should help them come to terms with what they are.You're right, that's what a good person should do, but I'm a man, so I use what I know to apply it to scenarios that I'm familiar with. Most girls that I know are not like explained above. Same applies to men, but as a man, and human, I can say that my definition of manliness is this and that. I could say human, but saying man is specifying more, and it doesn't leave me open to too many assumptions. I don't know what it's like to be a woman, but I do know what it's like to be a man.I'm not going to agree to you establishing that women don't have any agency.It's not about the agency or lack of it, but rather the other party's agency. How good is the other person compared to me? I can kill two creatures in one day, but that person can kill three. Unfortunately there's only one spear, so one of us has to be the fighter.That's what I'm talking about. I'm not saying that the other person can't fight. I'm saying that one of them is better at fighting.Why bother distinguishing gender in that situation rather than ability to kill?And if you are the better of two, why take pride in the fact you are male rather than you are a better hunter?Please notice that I never meant to imply that. If you read my replies for a second time, you might realize that my replies can be interpreted in a way where I'm assigning attributes to genders due to likelihood of that being the case.One of the killers was born in a fishermen town, and the other in a town with an arena. We know nothing about their lives, but we can assume things based on the stereotypes, and logic.
. It doesn't matter if you're black, or yellow, we're all men.
This reminds me...In high school we were forced to write an essay on "what it means to be a man" and I changed it to "what it means to be an adult". My English teacher gave me an F despite it being a well written paper for not following directions.
You've gotta be a man to wear tights!
Quote from: BritishLemön on May 28, 2015, 05:02:36 PMQuote from: ڪے on May 28, 2015, 04:48:18 PMYou've gotta be a man to wear tights!what about short shorts?Only if you have the ass for it.
Quote from: ڪے on May 28, 2015, 04:48:18 PMYou've gotta be a man to wear tights!what about short shorts?
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How seriously do you take your manliness?