Has Mark Hamill worked himself into a corner?

Solonoid · June 09, 2017, 12:04:02 AM

I think at this point, fan demand for Mark Hamill as the two characters that he simply is the one and only actor for has put him in a place where he's started doing, and is going to be forced to continue doing, a lot of shitty movies.

Nobody else has ever portrayed Luke Skywalker. Hell, I don't think anybody else has ever even voiced the iconic Jedi. There are at least two more films Luke will be alive in, and depending on whether or not the Han Solo anthology includes some of his adventures from after and in between the episodes of the OT as well, he may be in that film. It's no secret that Mark Hamill does not like the two films they've shot so far, and fans receive both of them with very mixed feelings.

You may like Nicholson, and you may like Ledger, but the simple truth is that even though they both portrayed the Joker well, Mark Hamill is the Joker. The Killing Joke was a morbid failure, unable to stay on target and falling completely flat. Fan demand for Hamill is very strong though, and he could end up doing a few more bad movies if fan demand stays so high.

A real dream come true would be to see him get even leaner than he has for Star Wars and portray an aged version of Jared Leto's Joker (love or hate him, I think Leto captured the character quite well, except for the fact that Joker doesn't give a fuuuck about Harley) in a future-set Dark Knight Returns adaptation for the DCCU.

ofc DC would ruin that too and then we'd get even more clips of Hamill complaining about everyone at the studio being an incompetent boob

Verbatim · June 09, 2017, 12:05:37 AM

you can only "be" the joker if you physically play the part

your voice isn't enough

SecondClass · June 09, 2017, 12:06:12 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on June 09, 2017, 12:05:37 AM

you can only "be" the joker if you physically play the part

your voice isn't enough

What a surprise, wrong again.

Verbatim · June 09, 2017, 12:06:52 AM

Quote from: Annie on June 09, 2017, 12:06:12 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on June 09, 2017, 12:05:37 AM
you can only "be" the joker if you physically play the part

your voice isn't enough
What a surprise, wrong again.

good, now i know i'm right

SecondClass · June 09, 2017, 12:07:36 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on June 09, 2017, 12:06:52 AM

Quote from: Annie on June 09, 2017, 12:06:12 AM
Quote from: Verbatim on June 09, 2017, 12:05:37 AM
you can only "be" the joker if you physically play the part

your voice isn't enough
What a surprise, wrong again.
good, now i know i'm right

as if you don't have this ww level hubris that makes you think you're constantly right lmao

Verbatim · June 09, 2017, 12:10:06 AM

Quote from: Annie on June 09, 2017, 12:07:36 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on June 09, 2017, 12:06:52 AM
Quote from: Annie on June 09, 2017, 12:06:12 AM
Quote from: Verbatim on June 09, 2017, 12:05:37 AM
you can only "be" the joker if you physically play the part

your voice isn't enough
What a surprise, wrong again.
good, now i know i'm right
as if you don't have this ww level hubris that makes you think you're constantly right lmao

yeah but the difference is that now i'm right on an epistemological level

maverick · June 09, 2017, 12:10:35 AM

Hammil's Joker is great but it would never translate into a live action film.

Solonoid · June 09, 2017, 12:11:47 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on June 09, 2017, 12:05:37 AM

you can only "be" the joker if you physically play the part

your voice isn't enough

No. Just no. Mark Hamill has portrayed the Joker more times than any other actor, and probably understands him on a level that no other living person does.

I know you're a Ledger fanboy, but his version of the Joker, while absolutely praiseworthy, is an incredibly isolated portrayal that, simply put, doesn't fit who the Joker really is.

It's the equivalent of a less extreme Superman: Red Son.
A neat version of the character, but not the real character.

SecondClass · June 09, 2017, 12:12:34 AM

Quote from: Dazarobbo777 on June 09, 2017, 12:11:47 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on June 09, 2017, 12:05:37 AM
you can only "be" the joker if you physically play the part

your voice isn't enough
No. Just no. Mark Hamill has portrayed the Joker more times than any other actor, and probably understands him on a level that no other living person does.

I know you're a Ledger fanboy, but his version of the Joker, while absolutely praiseworthy, is an incredibly isolated portrayal that, simply put, doesn't fit who the Joker really is.

It's the equivalent of a less extreme Superman: Red Son.
A neat version of the character, but not the real character.

b-but you have to follow my arbitrary rule

Solonoid · June 09, 2017, 12:13:00 AM

Quote from: Maverick on June 09, 2017, 12:10:35 AM

Hammil's Joker is great but it would never translate into a live action film.

Have you ever seen him portray the Trickster live action?

It's simply downright wonderful.

Verbatim · June 09, 2017, 12:13:34 AM

Quote from: Dazarobbo777 on June 09, 2017, 12:11:47 AM

I know you're a Ledger fanboy, but his version of the Joker, while absolutely praiseworthy, is an incredibly isolated portrayal that, simply put, doesn't fit who the Joker really is.

this doesn't matter, because who the joker "really is" is a lesser version of ledger's interpretation anyway

and he still only did the voice

he didn't even animate the character or write his dialogue—his only contribution was the voice

SecondClass · June 09, 2017, 12:16:41 AM

writing/animating/playing a character =/= understanding what makes the character what they are, and how to best represent them

this isn't complicated stuff my man

maverick · June 09, 2017, 12:16:56 AM

Quote from: Dazarobbo777 on June 09, 2017, 12:13:00 AM

Quote from: Maverick on June 09, 2017, 12:10:35 AM
Hammil's Joker is great but it would never translate into a live action film.
Have you ever seen him portray the Trickster live action?

It's simply downright wonderful.

Touche but I'd imagine the tone would have to be a lot more campy than we've seen in a Batman movie in a while for it to work.

Doctor Doom · June 09, 2017, 12:20:30 AM

I'd rather they just kill off the Joker completely across all mediums and focus on more interesting villains.

Verbatim · June 09, 2017, 12:21:35 AM

Quote from: Annie on June 09, 2017, 12:16:41 AM

writing/animating/playing a character =/= understanding what makes the character what they are, and how to best represent them

this isn't complicated stuff my man

the difference is that i'm asking for ALL of those things, and mark hamill doesn't offer them

heath ledger and jack nicholson do

you can have all the understanding of your character in the world, but it doesn't matter if all you have is a voice

BaconShelf · June 09, 2017, 12:22:30 AM

Quote from: Dazarobbo777 on June 09, 2017, 12:13:00 AM

Quote from: Maverick on June 09, 2017, 12:10:35 AM
Hammil's Joker is great but it would never translate into a live action film.
Have you ever seen him portray the Trickster live action?

It's simply downright wonderful.

The only thing I remember about Hamill's trickster is the cringe-worthy "I am your father" line.

SecondClass · June 09, 2017, 12:23:22 AM

Quote from: Doctor Doom on June 09, 2017, 12:20:30 AM

I'd rather they just kill off the Joker completely across all mediums and focus on more interesting villains.

this too

you know you're bad when you're literally a trope

woah man, crazy criminal who would rather cause chaos than profit

so unique

June 09, 2017, 12:23:29 AM

Troy Baker does a pretty damn good joker, even if he imitated Hamill's iteration.

YouTube

Ledger's version of the Joker is portrayed in a grittier, closer to life version of Gotham/Batman. It wouldn't really fit in any other universe because the Joker is often a trickster who constantly wants to fuck with Batman.

SecondClass · June 09, 2017, 12:24:28 AM

the protagonist of deadly premonition is literally a better character than the joker

Coomer · June 09, 2017, 12:28:35 AM

Someone just point out video game voice acting/motion capture, back Verb into a corner his hubris will force him to defend, and watch him dig himself a hole

maverick · June 09, 2017, 12:30:33 AM

Quote from: Annie on June 09, 2017, 12:23:22 AM

woah man, crazy criminal who would rather cause chaos than profit

I'd say his obsession with Batman and challenging him is a more defining attribute of most Jokers than the anarchist stuff, which is mainly from the Nolan Joker.

Verbatim · June 09, 2017, 12:31:11 AM

Quote from: 化粧室はどこですか//~ on June 09, 2017, 12:28:35 AM

Someone just point out video game voice acting/motion capture, back Verb into a corner his hubris will force him to defend, and watch him dig himself a hole

but mark hamill has never done these things either you fucking idiot, not for this iteration of the joker

do you ever get tired of saying retarded shit

Coomer · June 09, 2017, 12:34:19 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on June 09, 2017, 12:31:11 AM

Quote from: 化粧室はどこですか//~ on June 09, 2017, 12:28:35 AM
Someone just point out video game voice acting/motion capture, back Verb into a corner his hubris will force him to defend, and watch him dig himself a hole
but mark hamill has never done these things either you fucking idiot

But by principle, you now have to say Nolan North and Troy Baker never played any real characters

SecondClass · June 09, 2017, 12:34:32 AM

Quote from: Maverick on June 09, 2017, 12:30:33 AM

Quote from: Annie on June 09, 2017, 12:23:22 AM
woah man, crazy criminal who would rather cause chaos than profit
I'd say his obsession with Batman and challenging him is a more defining attribute of most Jokers than the anarchist stuff, which is mainly from the Nolan Joker.

so very very unique

Coomer · June 09, 2017, 12:35:53 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on June 09, 2017, 12:31:11 AM

do you ever get tired of saying retarded shit

You never do

Solonoid · June 09, 2017, 12:36:32 AM

ITT: verb doesn't understand what actors do or how acting works

Verbatim · June 09, 2017, 12:36:44 AM

Quote from: 化粧室はどこですか//~ on June 09, 2017, 12:34:19 AM

But by principle, you now have to say Nolan North and Troy Baker never played any real characters

no i don't, because motion capture proves otherwise

"i'm gonna pretend you failed to make this random exception, even though there's no logical reason to assume you haven't already done so implicitly!!!!!!!!!!"

Verbatim · June 09, 2017, 12:37:26 AM

Quote from: Dazarobbo777 on June 09, 2017, 12:36:32 AM

ITT: verb doesn't understand what actors do or how acting works

If there's one person on this forum to whom I have a greater understanding of how acting works, it's you.

Verbatim · June 09, 2017, 12:38:36 AM

Quote from: Annie on June 09, 2017, 12:34:32 AM

Quote from: Maverick on June 09, 2017, 12:30:33 AM
Quote from: Annie on June 09, 2017, 12:23:22 AM
woah man, crazy criminal who would rather cause chaos than profit
I'd say his obsession with Batman and challenging him is a more defining attribute of most Jokers than the anarchist stuff, which is mainly from the Nolan Joker.
so very very unique

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TropesAreTools

SecondClass · June 09, 2017, 12:38:42 AM

I love when you can tell that jacob's getting mad