>tfw Red Skull is redpilled af

 
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You will find out who you are not a thousand times, before you ever discover who you are. I hope you find peace in yourself and learn to love instead of hate.
This is literally forcing transgenderism onto our future generations, WILL SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN????


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Like who the flying heck cares if there's a gay or transgender character in a piece of media? It's inexcusable to have a problem with it. Gay and transgender people are a part of our society, and shouldn't be forcibly erased from sources of entertainment because they're different or, as people like to keep harping on, "There's something wrong with them." Understanding that transgenderism can be classified as a mental disease/disorder doesn't speak for the treatment of those afflicted. It'd be like making sure your movie didn't have characters with ADHD, or OCD, or some other random "Defect."


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emigrate or degenerate. the choice is yours
Why the fuck is this forum so obsessed with trannies.


 
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You will find out who you are not a thousand times, before you ever discover who you are. I hope you find peace in yourself and learn to love instead of hate.
Why the fuck is this forum so obsessed with trannies.
get your rat out


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Why
They are people and should be treated like people, not outcasts.
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Not always a small request when the one asking is also the one defining "fair,"
Transgender people want to be called certain pronouns and use certain bathrooms. Such a tragedy. All they want is to be treated like the gender they feel they identify most accurately as. This isn't a big deal, and they shouldn't really have to be fighting for this.
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Why on earth should we take up a mentally-ill person's perception of him/herself?
Do you think all mentally-ill people are incapable of making rational decisions? I have obsessive-compulsive disorder, does that mean I can't think properly, and can't adequately understand my personal feelings about myself?
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Not really the point.
It's the entire point, dude.


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No they aren't. A lot of people are very transphobic, even if they support the cause of transgenderism. That's something people would like to stop, they just want them to be viewed as normal people that aren't some sort of abomination.

In 2OO2, 61% of people were ok with transgenders and today it's 77%
That's a majority
And I'm very few of the 23% who oppose it or are undecided actually go out and yell at people who look like they're trans

Not to mention the increased clinics and clinic referrals
The whole Caitlyn Jenner fiasco
The overwhelming support for Obama's bathroom directive

Transgender people are heavily supported in America 
 
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You sound like a white man in the 60s talking about blacks being able to sit next to you on the bus, I'm just saying.

Anybody who opposes a cause and wants something done about it sounds like a white man talking about black people on a bus

But I don't hate people based on cosmetic appearance
I don't hate at all
I don't want them to have fewer rights or to sit at the back of the bus
Nor do I think they're inferior to me

I disagree with their way of thinking and the acceptance of this thinking
Not some petty squabble based on looks

So this attempt to try and paint me as a person who's on the same level as those disgusting white supremacists is bullshit

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You seem extraordinarily misinformed about transgenderism and the issues that people face because of it. Even if it is a mental disease, that doesn't mean the people it affects should for some reason be excluded from society in some way. The only known "Cure" to transgenderism seems to be actually acting on the desires of someone who doesn't feel comfortable in their body through HTR and sexual reassignment surgeries. Do you actually think that trans individuals don't try to purge the thought of wanting to be a different sex from their heads? You don't think they try everything imaginable to convince themselves that they're okay the way they are? Until you've conjured up an actual, tangible method that can make someone perfectly comfortable being their birth sex, the options I listed before are the only ones available that seem to do anything.

You seem to be stuck in this mindset that because I disagree with trans people, I'm advocating their harassment
I'm not
To bully someone who is already suffering is intolerable cruelty
I never said anything about excluding them from society
You're the one bringing that up

And yes they do feel better after treatment but the problem is still there
A little more relieved but still a glaring problem, based on regret research and suicide rate
It fixes it in the same way that putting makeup on an insecure girl makes her feel better
Yeah she feels better
But she's the insecurity is still there

And I don't have a solution
Perhaps something along the lines of cognitive behavioral therapy
But things like HRT and SRS are stopping the search for a cure because they are deemed the cure
But really, they just ease the pain


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Why does this weird double standard exist where we can call, for example, asperger's, a disease, and acknowledge that some things (mostly social cues) are by and large difficult for aspies, but we have to cater to a gender disphoriac's every delusion on the grounds of tolerance?
there is no double standard because there is no remote parity between asperger's and gender dysphoria

no one's saying we have to cater to a gender dysphoriac's every """delusion"""

just one

and it's a very simple, harmless, and non-intrusive one

in fact, it's not even a delusion
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In 2OO2, 61% of people were ok with transgenders and today it's 77%
That's a majority
There's a difference between accepting somebody, and saying that you're "Okay" with them. There's no doubt that the majority of people in the US are probably supportive of their cause, but most of those people likely exhibit some form of subconscious transphobia. You can be supportive of something without being 100% comfortable with the idea. That in itself is a problem.
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And I'm very few of the 23% who oppose it or are undecided actually go out and yell at people who look like they're trans
You say that like you take pride in it, which you shouldn't.
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Anybody who opposes a cause and wants something done about it sounds like a white man talking about black people on a bus
You're actively denouncing the fair and rational treatment of an entire group of people, so actually, you're just being a conservative, stingy old man.
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Nor do I think they're inferior to me
You very clearly do.
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I disagree with their way of thinking and the acceptance of this thinking
There is no "Way of thinking." Transgenderism is not some typical case of mistaken identity, it's a legitimate problem where an individual is entirely uncomfortable with being their birth sex. They aren't stupid people who can't "Think their way through" this mental condition, it's something that is painful to live with, and there are only so many options available to help them.
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So this attempt to try and paint me as a person who's on the same level as those disgusting white supremacists is bullshit
No it isn't. You're literally just stuck on tradition.
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You seem to be stuck in this mindset that because I disagree with trans people, I'm advocating their harassment
You're advocating for their exclusion from certain forms of media, which is "Harassment," by some standards. But whatever it is, it's stupid and wrong.
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To bully someone who is already suffering is intolerable cruelty
I never said anything about excluding them from society
You're the one bringing that up
Then stop complaining about trans people being in comics.
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And yes they do feel better after treatment but the problem is still there
A little more relieved but still a glaring problem, based on regret research and suicide rate
It fixes it in the same way that putting makeup on an insecure girl makes her feel better
Yeah she feels better
But she's the insecurity is still there
Uh, if the insecurity was still there in its entirety, trans people wouldn't bother to undergo the treatments. Clearly it does something.
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And I don't have a solution
Perhaps something along the lines of cognitive behavioral therapy
But things like HRT and SRS are stopping the search for a cure because they are deemed the cure
But really, they just ease the pain
Uh, no, I assure you that people are still quite eager to find a biological way to prevent this sort of condition. Until then, you're stuck with HTR and SRS. Get use to it.


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Nazis are people, should we care if they feel like outcasts, too?
Nazis are doing something wrong, transgender people are not.
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On what grounds do they think they deserve what they want, though? Demonstrate to me that they have a right to these things, and I'll change my mind.
Are you actually asking me for justification for basic comfort and acceptance of an individual who isn't doing anything wrong, and is simply trying to live comfortably? I don't even need to give you a demonstration, hopefully that question in itself proves that these people are entitled to basic benefits of societal interaction.
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Of course they're not completely incapable, but that's besides the point. Their mental illness prevents them from thinking rationally, but only in those areas affected by their illness. I'm sure a kleptomaniac can drive and take out a reasonable insurance policy just fine, but I'd still keep my eyes on him in a department store.
That comparison is horrendous. Being afflicted by a mental illness doesn't necessitate a lack of capacity to self-introspect. A transgender person's issue is that they don't feel comfortable with their body, it has nothing to do with a sudden lack of rationality that prevents them from understanding, "Oh, I would feel more comfortable as a woman/man."
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someone with a gender identity disorder will have difficulty forming a rational understanding of his sex.
See above. Mental illnesses aren't indicative of an inability to think rationally about the condition. Whether or not the condition is irrational, it doesn't matter- That person is affected by the condition and shouldn't be forced to cope with their misery for other peoples' convenience.
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Why does this weird double standard exist where we can call, for example, asperger's, a disease, and acknowledge that some things (mostly social cues) are by and large difficult for aspies, but we have to cater to a gender disphoriac's every delusion on the grounds of tolerance?
Because they aren't delusions. They're literally just asking to be treated fairly.


 
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Are you kidding me
Trans people are accepted in America by the majority
Maybe it's just because I'm in Pennsyltucky, but no. No they are not.


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There's a difference between accepting somebody, and saying that you're "Okay" with them. You can be supportive of something without being 100% comfortable with the idea. That in itself is a problem.


Nice assumptions there
Even if you support you have to have some transphobia
Why?
Because you just have to have it right

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There's no doubt that the majority of people in the US are probably supportive of their cause, but most of those people likely exhibit some form of subconscious transphobia

We're not allowed to be ok with them and let them do their own thing anymore
We jhave to support them
Because if you say you have no strong feelings about them one way or another, you are literally killing them

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You're actively denouncing the fair and rational treatment of an entire group of people, so actually, you're just being a conservative, stingy old man.

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I'm not saying we should hate them or harass them
Of course they should be treated fairly
Everyone should be treated with respect

Shame how you actively ignore the things I say regarding treatment
Do you honestly think I want them put them into concentration camps or something

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You very clearly do.

Do explain how I think that

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There is no "Way of thinking." Transgenderism is not some typical case of mistaken identity, it's a legitimate problem where an individual is entirely uncomfortable with being their birth sex. They aren't stupid people who can't "Think their way through" this mental condition, it's something that is painful to live with, and there are only so many options available to help them.

This is what I'm saying
It's a legit condition
Which is why I'm so against the movement of people telling them to embrace it and act like it's a fucking virtue

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No it isn't. You're literally just stuck on tradition.

Funny
I actually developed my stance in a very nontraditional way

At first I was very much like you
Hey if people want to do their thing then they can do their thing

Then transgender started becoming a major issue in America so I listened to some speeches and read news articles (from both sides) and I came to the conclusion that it is a mental disease

So no
I didn't just take on whatever political views my parents gave to me

I actually used logic and facts to come to my conclusion

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You're advocating for their exclusion from certain forms of media, which is "Harassment," by some standards. But whatever it is, it's stupid and wrong.

I couldn't care less if a character is trans or not
It's the statement they're making

"Look children, mental illness is ok and we advocate it"

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Then stop complaining about trans people being in comics.

You like to make the argument
"It doesn't affect you why should you care"
It's a bullshit argument

If people only cared about shit that affects them, we would care for very little

We wouldn't feed those starving children in Africa
We wouldn't pick up those beer bottles on the side of the street
We wouldn't even have hospitals (unless you're in it for the money)

Furthermore, it affects the society I live in
A society that glorifies mental illness

It's not the comic I care about
It's the cause

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Uh, if the insecurity was still there in its entirety, trans people wouldn't bother to undergo the treatments. Clearly it does something.

Of course it helps them
But it only helps them by making them feel better
It doesn't actually solve the problem

If a 4 year old cries and whines because he wants cotton candy, of course he will feel better if you give it to him
But it's still unhealthy

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Uh, no, I assure you that people are still quite eager to find a biological way to prevent this sort of condition. Until then, you're stuck with HTR and SRS. Get use to it.

Wonderful
Please link me some groundbreaking new cure research sites so I can donate

HRT and SRS are the only options we have
Therefore they are the best options
Best logic 


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Nice assumptions there
Even if you support you have to have some transphobia
Why?
Because you just have to have it right
What are you even talking about? I said that a large chunk of people who support transgender rights have transphobia, and the reason is that we were not born into a society that has seen such a large presence of them before, so clearly this is a new group of individuals that are being more publicly accommodated than before. Obviously, there will be people who need to adjust to this, and that's okay. There was no "Assumption."
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We're not allowed to be ok with them and let them do their own thing anymore
We jhave to support them
Literally all that 99% of people need to do is treat them as equals, and nobody would be complaining. That is no more "Support" than you give anybody else, ever. Stop acting like you have to make some sort of grand self-sacrifice for the transgender community.
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Shame how you actively ignore the things I say regarding treatment
Do you honestly think I want them put them into concentration camps or something
No, and you knew the answer to that question before you asked it.
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This is what I'm saying
It's a legit condition
Which is why I'm so against the movement of people telling them to embrace it and act like it's a fucking virtue
As Verb said, regardless of whether or not it's a medical issue, the impact it has on other individuals is incredibly non-intrusive and reasonable. You don't have to shift your life around because transgenderism exists, you probably won't even run into them on a weekly basis, if you ever even interact with one in the first place. If you're going to say there's something wrong with them, fine, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't treat them fairly, which you are not doing if you have an issue with their media appearances.
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Then transgender started becoming a major issue in America so I listened to some speeches and read news articles (from both sides) and I came to the conclusion that it is a mental disease
The fact that you've realized it was a mental disease doesn't mean anything, which has basically been the point of this discussion. Even if it is a mental disease that we should want to eliminate from humanity, right now it isn't going anywhere fast, and to accommodate for this community, all we need to do is a few non-intrusive things to make them happy.
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I actually used logic and facts to come to my conclusion
Practice more, you messed this one up.
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"Look children, mental illness is ok and we advocate it"
Are you actually this dense? Nobody is saying that the disease is some fantastic, celebration-worthy condition that makes things better. Gender dysphoria is a terrible thing that people suffer from every single day. The message is that these people exist, and suffer from this condition, and that for them to be happy, we need to learn to accept them for who they are, because they suffer from it. It's about acceptance, not advocacy. Nobody's pushing for more people to become transgender, transgenderism fucking sucks for the people it affects. The fact that you think people are glorifying it is an indicator you actually have no idea what the issue with the condition is, or what they're asking for.


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Well seeing how we're going to spout the same things over and over and this thread wasn't even about this in the first place, I think I'll retire