Quote from: Val 'Ketam on March 10, 2015, 07:30:43 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:27:19 PMQuote from: Val 'Ketam on March 10, 2015, 07:01:30 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 06:58:01 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:47:04 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on March 10, 2015, 06:43:38 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:33:29 PM"In an interview[26] that Popper gave in 1969 with the condition that it shall be kept secret until after his death, he summarised his position on God as follows: "I don't know whether God exists or not.You mean he said the exact same thing the New Atheists have been saying all along? Holy shit! What a fucking revelation! Yeah, it's not at all shocking that most atheists are agnostic as opposed to gnostic.lel atheist:a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.enlightened agnostic:a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.Tell me, why should any rational person give this so called "God" the benefit is the doubt apart from the fact that it's the common thing to believe in? Hundreds of years ago it was Zeus and Co. And people were considered fools back then for doubting their existence. He doesn't exist.Are you Anti-theist? Or just an atheist?I get the Anti-Theist vibe from you >.>Why do you have to label me according to religion. "Without god/religion"How about I'm not anything and you're the one with the label?Just asking a simple question here, no need to be so defensive.I'm how we're supposed to be. We shouldn't be tied down by religion.
Quote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:27:19 PMQuote from: Val 'Ketam on March 10, 2015, 07:01:30 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 06:58:01 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:47:04 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on March 10, 2015, 06:43:38 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:33:29 PM"In an interview[26] that Popper gave in 1969 with the condition that it shall be kept secret until after his death, he summarised his position on God as follows: "I don't know whether God exists or not.You mean he said the exact same thing the New Atheists have been saying all along? Holy shit! What a fucking revelation! Yeah, it's not at all shocking that most atheists are agnostic as opposed to gnostic.lel atheist:a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.enlightened agnostic:a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.Tell me, why should any rational person give this so called "God" the benefit is the doubt apart from the fact that it's the common thing to believe in? Hundreds of years ago it was Zeus and Co. And people were considered fools back then for doubting their existence. He doesn't exist.Are you Anti-theist? Or just an atheist?I get the Anti-Theist vibe from you >.>Why do you have to label me according to religion. "Without god/religion"How about I'm not anything and you're the one with the label?Just asking a simple question here, no need to be so defensive.
Quote from: Val 'Ketam on March 10, 2015, 07:01:30 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 06:58:01 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:47:04 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on March 10, 2015, 06:43:38 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:33:29 PM"In an interview[26] that Popper gave in 1969 with the condition that it shall be kept secret until after his death, he summarised his position on God as follows: "I don't know whether God exists or not.You mean he said the exact same thing the New Atheists have been saying all along? Holy shit! What a fucking revelation! Yeah, it's not at all shocking that most atheists are agnostic as opposed to gnostic.lel atheist:a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.enlightened agnostic:a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.Tell me, why should any rational person give this so called "God" the benefit is the doubt apart from the fact that it's the common thing to believe in? Hundreds of years ago it was Zeus and Co. And people were considered fools back then for doubting their existence. He doesn't exist.Are you Anti-theist? Or just an atheist?I get the Anti-Theist vibe from you >.>Why do you have to label me according to religion. "Without god/religion"How about I'm not anything and you're the one with the label?
Quote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 06:58:01 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:47:04 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on March 10, 2015, 06:43:38 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:33:29 PM"In an interview[26] that Popper gave in 1969 with the condition that it shall be kept secret until after his death, he summarised his position on God as follows: "I don't know whether God exists or not.You mean he said the exact same thing the New Atheists have been saying all along? Holy shit! What a fucking revelation! Yeah, it's not at all shocking that most atheists are agnostic as opposed to gnostic.lel atheist:a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.enlightened agnostic:a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.Tell me, why should any rational person give this so called "God" the benefit is the doubt apart from the fact that it's the common thing to believe in? Hundreds of years ago it was Zeus and Co. And people were considered fools back then for doubting their existence. He doesn't exist.Are you Anti-theist? Or just an atheist?I get the Anti-Theist vibe from you >.>
Quote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:47:04 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on March 10, 2015, 06:43:38 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:33:29 PM"In an interview[26] that Popper gave in 1969 with the condition that it shall be kept secret until after his death, he summarised his position on God as follows: "I don't know whether God exists or not.You mean he said the exact same thing the New Atheists have been saying all along? Holy shit! What a fucking revelation! Yeah, it's not at all shocking that most atheists are agnostic as opposed to gnostic.lel atheist:a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.enlightened agnostic:a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.Tell me, why should any rational person give this so called "God" the benefit is the doubt apart from the fact that it's the common thing to believe in? Hundreds of years ago it was Zeus and Co. And people were considered fools back then for doubting their existence. He doesn't exist.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on March 10, 2015, 06:43:38 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:33:29 PM"In an interview[26] that Popper gave in 1969 with the condition that it shall be kept secret until after his death, he summarised his position on God as follows: "I don't know whether God exists or not.You mean he said the exact same thing the New Atheists have been saying all along? Holy shit! What a fucking revelation! Yeah, it's not at all shocking that most atheists are agnostic as opposed to gnostic.lel atheist:a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.enlightened agnostic:a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.
Quote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:33:29 PM"In an interview[26] that Popper gave in 1969 with the condition that it shall be kept secret until after his death, he summarised his position on God as follows: "I don't know whether God exists or not.You mean he said the exact same thing the New Atheists have been saying all along? Holy shit! What a fucking revelation! Yeah, it's not at all shocking that most atheists are agnostic as opposed to gnostic.
"In an interview[26] that Popper gave in 1969 with the condition that it shall be kept secret until after his death, he summarised his position on God as follows: "I don't know whether God exists or not.
Quote from: Verbatim on March 10, 2015, 07:29:52 PMQuote from: Plotmaster on March 10, 2015, 07:26:35 PMWhat an unexpected turn of events! An idiot decided to call me an idiot! The irony!Go back to angsting in a corner, Verby, instead of acting like...well, your usual asshole self.no, kidit would only be ironic if you spent your whole life up until now trying to build your knowledge in a wide variety of areas and fields in order to become some kind of genius or polymathand then i decided to call you a retardbut you haven't done thatThe irony being that you are an idiot, and yet you attempt to call me an idiot. This is a reversal of the expected - that is, it is ironic - because one who is an idiot does not typically call another an idiot, but is instead typically called an idiot.You fucking idiot.
Quote from: Plotmaster on March 10, 2015, 07:26:35 PMWhat an unexpected turn of events! An idiot decided to call me an idiot! The irony!Go back to angsting in a corner, Verby, instead of acting like...well, your usual asshole self.no, kidit would only be ironic if you spent your whole life up until now trying to build your knowledge in a wide variety of areas and fields in order to become some kind of genius or polymathand then i decided to call you a retardbut you haven't done that
What an unexpected turn of events! An idiot decided to call me an idiot! The irony!Go back to angsting in a corner, Verby, instead of acting like...well, your usual asshole self.
the one true God is Doctor Doom and we should all be worshiping him.
Quote from: Plotmaster on March 10, 2015, 07:37:42 PMQuote from: Verbatim on March 10, 2015, 07:29:52 PMQuote from: Plotmaster on March 10, 2015, 07:26:35 PMWhat an unexpected turn of events! An idiot decided to call me an idiot! The irony!Go back to angsting in a corner, Verby, instead of acting like...well, your usual asshole self.no, kidit would only be ironic if you spent your whole life up until now trying to build your knowledge in a wide variety of areas and fields in order to become some kind of genius or polymathand then i decided to call you a retardbut you haven't done thatThe irony being that you are an idiot, and yet you attempt to call me an idiot. This is a reversal of the expected - that is, it is ironic - because one who is an idiot does not typically call another an idiot, but is instead typically called an idiot.You fucking idiot.But Keks... you're an idiot.
because one who is an idiot does not typically call another an idiot
Quote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:32:46 PMQuote from: Val 'Ketam on March 10, 2015, 07:30:43 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:27:19 PMQuote from: Val 'Ketam on March 10, 2015, 07:01:30 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 06:58:01 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:47:04 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on March 10, 2015, 06:43:38 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:33:29 PM"In an interview[26] that Popper gave in 1969 with the condition that it shall be kept secret until after his death, he summarised his position on God as follows: "I don't know whether God exists or not.You mean he said the exact same thing the New Atheists have been saying all along? Holy shit! What a fucking revelation! Yeah, it's not at all shocking that most atheists are agnostic as opposed to gnostic.lel atheist:a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.enlightened agnostic:a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.Tell me, why should any rational person give this so called "God" the benefit is the doubt apart from the fact that it's the common thing to believe in? Hundreds of years ago it was Zeus and Co. And people were considered fools back then for doubting their existence. He doesn't exist.Are you Anti-theist? Or just an atheist?I get the Anti-Theist vibe from you >.>Why do you have to label me according to religion. "Without god/religion"How about I'm not anything and you're the one with the label?Just asking a simple question here, no need to be so defensive.I'm how we're supposed to be. We shouldn't be tied down by religion.Meta uses theist and anti-theist, why don't you flip out on him?Spoilertechnically from what you said, you are anti-theist
Quote from: Plotmaster on March 10, 2015, 07:37:42 PMbecause one who is an idiot does not typically call another an idiotexcept that sort of thing happens literally all the timeacross all mediaand in real life
Which is nice, but frequency does little to change the fact that it is irony by definition.
Quote from: Val 'Ketam on March 10, 2015, 07:39:18 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:32:46 PMQuote from: Val 'Ketam on March 10, 2015, 07:30:43 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:27:19 PMQuote from: Val 'Ketam on March 10, 2015, 07:01:30 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 06:58:01 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:47:04 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on March 10, 2015, 06:43:38 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:33:29 PM"In an interview[26] that Popper gave in 1969 with the condition that it shall be kept secret until after his death, he summarised his position on God as follows: "I don't know whether God exists or not.You mean he said the exact same thing the New Atheists have been saying all along? Holy shit! What a fucking revelation! Yeah, it's not at all shocking that most atheists are agnostic as opposed to gnostic.lel atheist:a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.enlightened agnostic:a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.Tell me, why should any rational person give this so called "God" the benefit is the doubt apart from the fact that it's the common thing to believe in? Hundreds of years ago it was Zeus and Co. And people were considered fools back then for doubting their existence. He doesn't exist.Are you Anti-theist? Or just an atheist?I get the Anti-Theist vibe from you >.>Why do you have to label me according to religion. "Without god/religion"How about I'm not anything and you're the one with the label?Just asking a simple question here, no need to be so defensive.I'm how we're supposed to be. We shouldn't be tied down by religion.Meta uses theist and anti-theist, why don't you flip out on him?Spoilertechnically from what you said, you are anti-theistI'm always on his ass for using too many labels and jargon. What are you talking about?I don't give a fuck. You're an anti realist.
Quote from: Verbatim on March 10, 2015, 07:42:56 PMQuote from: Plotmaster on March 10, 2015, 07:37:42 PMbecause one who is an idiot does not typically call another an idiotexcept that sort of thing happens literally all the timeacross all mediaand in real lifei would argue that everyone is an idiotinternet forums are comprised of idiots calling each other idiotsto say that "idiots don't typically call each other idiots" is a laughably ignorant statementwhich leads me to believe that you haven't seen any movies everhaven't played any gamesdon't listen to musicdon't go on the internetand don't go outsidebecause with that logic, it's also ironic to have a smoker tell you that smoking is badthat's not ironic at all, but with your insane logic, it apparently isYeah it is.
Quote from: Plotmaster on March 10, 2015, 07:37:42 PMbecause one who is an idiot does not typically call another an idiotexcept that sort of thing happens literally all the timeacross all mediaand in real lifei would argue that everyone is an idiotinternet forums are comprised of idiots calling each other idiotsto say that "idiots don't typically call each other idiots" is a laughably ignorant statementwhich leads me to believe that you haven't seen any movies everhaven't played any gamesdon't listen to musicdon't go on the internetand don't go outsidebecause with that logic, it's also ironic to have a smoker tell you that smoking is badthat's not ironic at all, but with your insane logic, it apparently is
Yeah it is.
Quote from: Verbatim on March 10, 2015, 07:51:05 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:48:37 PMYeah it is.no it isn't99% of smokers know that it's bad for youso it makes sense that 99% of them wouldn't condone itthat makes it the most expected, most banal, most quotidian thing everliterally the opposite of ironyIt's ironic in the sense that the person is doing the thing they're telling you not to do. Maybe it's more hypocritical than ironic though.
Quote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:48:37 PMYeah it is.no it isn't99% of smokers know that it's bad for youso it makes sense that 99% of them wouldn't condone itthat makes it the most expected, most banal, most quotidian thing everliterally the opposite of irony
>using something we made up to give value to life
Quote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:56:45 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:55:08 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:52:44 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:50:00 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:39:14 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:34:44 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:29:31 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:23:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:20:02 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:03:23 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 06:58:01 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:47:04 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on March 10, 2015, 06:43:38 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:33:29 PM"In an interview[26] that Popper gave in 1969 with the condition that it shall be kept secret until after his death, he summarised his position on God as follows: "I don't know whether God exists or not.You mean he said the exact same thing the New Atheists have been saying all along? Holy shit! What a fucking revelation! Yeah, it's not at all shocking that most atheists are agnostic as opposed to gnostic.lel atheist:a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.enlightened agnostic:a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.Tell me, why should any rational person give this so called "God" the benefit is the doubt apart from the fact that it's the common thing to believe in? Hundreds of years ago it was Zeus and Co. And people were considered fools back then for doubting their existence. He doesn't exist."A god" exists because without him life is pointless.And don't give me that philosophical subjectivity bullshit because we all know that's just to help you get some sleep at night.Life is pointless without a cruel and sadistic god?LOLWho said he has to be the god in the Old Testament? Or Kali? Or Zeus?Because the "new and improved" god isn't cruel and sadistic?I also want to point out something else. Working off the assumption that a God does not exist, there can be no objective meaning to our existence. Without a higher deity to give an objective basis of rules and morals to follow, behavior in of itself is a subjective concept that we follow purely off the basis of it being needed for society to function. Beyond that, there is no right or wrong. Our very lives are finite and we will cease to exist after our lives end. No reward, no punishment, nothing. We follow some rules and conform to a norm purely off the basis of us being forced to. Why should I truly act in a moral manner, waste my life living altruistically if there is no end goal in sight?I believe its called being a good person. Something we did and do just fine without religion. If you need an invisible gun to your head to make you do good things, you're not a good person.Like I said, good is just a definition we use just to keep society going, beyond that, good and evil are just arbitrary definitions we made. The truth of it all is, that good and evil mean jack shit at the end of the day if we're working under the belief that there is no God or afterlife. Every action we commit will mean nothing in the grand scheme of the universe. If were to kill several people and then take my own life after, I'd get the same result that I would if I lived a long life as a good person. I won't be able to take my soul, my conscious, whatever you want to call it with me after death. So why should I care?Because those people don't deserve to die and you shouldn't cut your life short. That's what makes life so fucking valuable. How short and fragile it is.But you're pulling the value out of your ass in the absence of a divine creator.Not at all. The fact that life is finite makes it valuable. That's just simple economics.>using something we made up to give value to life
Quote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:55:08 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:52:44 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:50:00 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:39:14 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:34:44 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:29:31 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:23:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:20:02 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:03:23 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 06:58:01 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:47:04 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on March 10, 2015, 06:43:38 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:33:29 PM"In an interview[26] that Popper gave in 1969 with the condition that it shall be kept secret until after his death, he summarised his position on God as follows: "I don't know whether God exists or not.You mean he said the exact same thing the New Atheists have been saying all along? Holy shit! What a fucking revelation! Yeah, it's not at all shocking that most atheists are agnostic as opposed to gnostic.lel atheist:a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.enlightened agnostic:a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.Tell me, why should any rational person give this so called "God" the benefit is the doubt apart from the fact that it's the common thing to believe in? Hundreds of years ago it was Zeus and Co. And people were considered fools back then for doubting their existence. He doesn't exist."A god" exists because without him life is pointless.And don't give me that philosophical subjectivity bullshit because we all know that's just to help you get some sleep at night.Life is pointless without a cruel and sadistic god?LOLWho said he has to be the god in the Old Testament? Or Kali? Or Zeus?Because the "new and improved" god isn't cruel and sadistic?I also want to point out something else. Working off the assumption that a God does not exist, there can be no objective meaning to our existence. Without a higher deity to give an objective basis of rules and morals to follow, behavior in of itself is a subjective concept that we follow purely off the basis of it being needed for society to function. Beyond that, there is no right or wrong. Our very lives are finite and we will cease to exist after our lives end. No reward, no punishment, nothing. We follow some rules and conform to a norm purely off the basis of us being forced to. Why should I truly act in a moral manner, waste my life living altruistically if there is no end goal in sight?I believe its called being a good person. Something we did and do just fine without religion. If you need an invisible gun to your head to make you do good things, you're not a good person.Like I said, good is just a definition we use just to keep society going, beyond that, good and evil are just arbitrary definitions we made. The truth of it all is, that good and evil mean jack shit at the end of the day if we're working under the belief that there is no God or afterlife. Every action we commit will mean nothing in the grand scheme of the universe. If were to kill several people and then take my own life after, I'd get the same result that I would if I lived a long life as a good person. I won't be able to take my soul, my conscious, whatever you want to call it with me after death. So why should I care?Because those people don't deserve to die and you shouldn't cut your life short. That's what makes life so fucking valuable. How short and fragile it is.But you're pulling the value out of your ass in the absence of a divine creator.Not at all. The fact that life is finite makes it valuable. That's just simple economics.
Quote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:52:44 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:50:00 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:39:14 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:34:44 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:29:31 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:23:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:20:02 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:03:23 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 06:58:01 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:47:04 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on March 10, 2015, 06:43:38 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:33:29 PM"In an interview[26] that Popper gave in 1969 with the condition that it shall be kept secret until after his death, he summarised his position on God as follows: "I don't know whether God exists or not.You mean he said the exact same thing the New Atheists have been saying all along? Holy shit! What a fucking revelation! Yeah, it's not at all shocking that most atheists are agnostic as opposed to gnostic.lel atheist:a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.enlightened agnostic:a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.Tell me, why should any rational person give this so called "God" the benefit is the doubt apart from the fact that it's the common thing to believe in? Hundreds of years ago it was Zeus and Co. And people were considered fools back then for doubting their existence. He doesn't exist."A god" exists because without him life is pointless.And don't give me that philosophical subjectivity bullshit because we all know that's just to help you get some sleep at night.Life is pointless without a cruel and sadistic god?LOLWho said he has to be the god in the Old Testament? Or Kali? Or Zeus?Because the "new and improved" god isn't cruel and sadistic?I also want to point out something else. Working off the assumption that a God does not exist, there can be no objective meaning to our existence. Without a higher deity to give an objective basis of rules and morals to follow, behavior in of itself is a subjective concept that we follow purely off the basis of it being needed for society to function. Beyond that, there is no right or wrong. Our very lives are finite and we will cease to exist after our lives end. No reward, no punishment, nothing. We follow some rules and conform to a norm purely off the basis of us being forced to. Why should I truly act in a moral manner, waste my life living altruistically if there is no end goal in sight?I believe its called being a good person. Something we did and do just fine without religion. If you need an invisible gun to your head to make you do good things, you're not a good person.Like I said, good is just a definition we use just to keep society going, beyond that, good and evil are just arbitrary definitions we made. The truth of it all is, that good and evil mean jack shit at the end of the day if we're working under the belief that there is no God or afterlife. Every action we commit will mean nothing in the grand scheme of the universe. If were to kill several people and then take my own life after, I'd get the same result that I would if I lived a long life as a good person. I won't be able to take my soul, my conscious, whatever you want to call it with me after death. So why should I care?Because those people don't deserve to die and you shouldn't cut your life short. That's what makes life so fucking valuable. How short and fragile it is.But you're pulling the value out of your ass in the absence of a divine creator.
Quote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:50:00 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:39:14 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:34:44 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:29:31 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:23:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:20:02 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:03:23 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 06:58:01 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:47:04 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on March 10, 2015, 06:43:38 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:33:29 PM"In an interview[26] that Popper gave in 1969 with the condition that it shall be kept secret until after his death, he summarised his position on God as follows: "I don't know whether God exists or not.You mean he said the exact same thing the New Atheists have been saying all along? Holy shit! What a fucking revelation! Yeah, it's not at all shocking that most atheists are agnostic as opposed to gnostic.lel atheist:a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.enlightened agnostic:a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.Tell me, why should any rational person give this so called "God" the benefit is the doubt apart from the fact that it's the common thing to believe in? Hundreds of years ago it was Zeus and Co. And people were considered fools back then for doubting their existence. He doesn't exist."A god" exists because without him life is pointless.And don't give me that philosophical subjectivity bullshit because we all know that's just to help you get some sleep at night.Life is pointless without a cruel and sadistic god?LOLWho said he has to be the god in the Old Testament? Or Kali? Or Zeus?Because the "new and improved" god isn't cruel and sadistic?I also want to point out something else. Working off the assumption that a God does not exist, there can be no objective meaning to our existence. Without a higher deity to give an objective basis of rules and morals to follow, behavior in of itself is a subjective concept that we follow purely off the basis of it being needed for society to function. Beyond that, there is no right or wrong. Our very lives are finite and we will cease to exist after our lives end. No reward, no punishment, nothing. We follow some rules and conform to a norm purely off the basis of us being forced to. Why should I truly act in a moral manner, waste my life living altruistically if there is no end goal in sight?I believe its called being a good person. Something we did and do just fine without religion. If you need an invisible gun to your head to make you do good things, you're not a good person.Like I said, good is just a definition we use just to keep society going, beyond that, good and evil are just arbitrary definitions we made. The truth of it all is, that good and evil mean jack shit at the end of the day if we're working under the belief that there is no God or afterlife. Every action we commit will mean nothing in the grand scheme of the universe. If were to kill several people and then take my own life after, I'd get the same result that I would if I lived a long life as a good person. I won't be able to take my soul, my conscious, whatever you want to call it with me after death. So why should I care?Because those people don't deserve to die and you shouldn't cut your life short. That's what makes life so fucking valuable. How short and fragile it is.
Quote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:39:14 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:34:44 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:29:31 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:23:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:20:02 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:03:23 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 06:58:01 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:47:04 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on March 10, 2015, 06:43:38 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:33:29 PM"In an interview[26] that Popper gave in 1969 with the condition that it shall be kept secret until after his death, he summarised his position on God as follows: "I don't know whether God exists or not.You mean he said the exact same thing the New Atheists have been saying all along? Holy shit! What a fucking revelation! Yeah, it's not at all shocking that most atheists are agnostic as opposed to gnostic.lel atheist:a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.enlightened agnostic:a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.Tell me, why should any rational person give this so called "God" the benefit is the doubt apart from the fact that it's the common thing to believe in? Hundreds of years ago it was Zeus and Co. And people were considered fools back then for doubting their existence. He doesn't exist."A god" exists because without him life is pointless.And don't give me that philosophical subjectivity bullshit because we all know that's just to help you get some sleep at night.Life is pointless without a cruel and sadistic god?LOLWho said he has to be the god in the Old Testament? Or Kali? Or Zeus?Because the "new and improved" god isn't cruel and sadistic?I also want to point out something else. Working off the assumption that a God does not exist, there can be no objective meaning to our existence. Without a higher deity to give an objective basis of rules and morals to follow, behavior in of itself is a subjective concept that we follow purely off the basis of it being needed for society to function. Beyond that, there is no right or wrong. Our very lives are finite and we will cease to exist after our lives end. No reward, no punishment, nothing. We follow some rules and conform to a norm purely off the basis of us being forced to. Why should I truly act in a moral manner, waste my life living altruistically if there is no end goal in sight?I believe its called being a good person. Something we did and do just fine without religion. If you need an invisible gun to your head to make you do good things, you're not a good person.Like I said, good is just a definition we use just to keep society going, beyond that, good and evil are just arbitrary definitions we made. The truth of it all is, that good and evil mean jack shit at the end of the day if we're working under the belief that there is no God or afterlife. Every action we commit will mean nothing in the grand scheme of the universe. If were to kill several people and then take my own life after, I'd get the same result that I would if I lived a long life as a good person. I won't be able to take my soul, my conscious, whatever you want to call it with me after death. So why should I care?
Quote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:34:44 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:29:31 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:23:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:20:02 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:03:23 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 06:58:01 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:47:04 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on March 10, 2015, 06:43:38 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:33:29 PM"In an interview[26] that Popper gave in 1969 with the condition that it shall be kept secret until after his death, he summarised his position on God as follows: "I don't know whether God exists or not.You mean he said the exact same thing the New Atheists have been saying all along? Holy shit! What a fucking revelation! Yeah, it's not at all shocking that most atheists are agnostic as opposed to gnostic.lel atheist:a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.enlightened agnostic:a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.Tell me, why should any rational person give this so called "God" the benefit is the doubt apart from the fact that it's the common thing to believe in? Hundreds of years ago it was Zeus and Co. And people were considered fools back then for doubting their existence. He doesn't exist."A god" exists because without him life is pointless.And don't give me that philosophical subjectivity bullshit because we all know that's just to help you get some sleep at night.Life is pointless without a cruel and sadistic god?LOLWho said he has to be the god in the Old Testament? Or Kali? Or Zeus?Because the "new and improved" god isn't cruel and sadistic?I also want to point out something else. Working off the assumption that a God does not exist, there can be no objective meaning to our existence. Without a higher deity to give an objective basis of rules and morals to follow, behavior in of itself is a subjective concept that we follow purely off the basis of it being needed for society to function. Beyond that, there is no right or wrong. Our very lives are finite and we will cease to exist after our lives end. No reward, no punishment, nothing. We follow some rules and conform to a norm purely off the basis of us being forced to. Why should I truly act in a moral manner, waste my life living altruistically if there is no end goal in sight?I believe its called being a good person. Something we did and do just fine without religion. If you need an invisible gun to your head to make you do good things, you're not a good person.
Quote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:29:31 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:23:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:20:02 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:03:23 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 06:58:01 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:47:04 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on March 10, 2015, 06:43:38 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:33:29 PM"In an interview[26] that Popper gave in 1969 with the condition that it shall be kept secret until after his death, he summarised his position on God as follows: "I don't know whether God exists or not.You mean he said the exact same thing the New Atheists have been saying all along? Holy shit! What a fucking revelation! Yeah, it's not at all shocking that most atheists are agnostic as opposed to gnostic.lel atheist:a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.enlightened agnostic:a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.Tell me, why should any rational person give this so called "God" the benefit is the doubt apart from the fact that it's the common thing to believe in? Hundreds of years ago it was Zeus and Co. And people were considered fools back then for doubting their existence. He doesn't exist."A god" exists because without him life is pointless.And don't give me that philosophical subjectivity bullshit because we all know that's just to help you get some sleep at night.Life is pointless without a cruel and sadistic god?LOLWho said he has to be the god in the Old Testament? Or Kali? Or Zeus?Because the "new and improved" god isn't cruel and sadistic?I also want to point out something else. Working off the assumption that a God does not exist, there can be no objective meaning to our existence. Without a higher deity to give an objective basis of rules and morals to follow, behavior in of itself is a subjective concept that we follow purely off the basis of it being needed for society to function. Beyond that, there is no right or wrong. Our very lives are finite and we will cease to exist after our lives end. No reward, no punishment, nothing. We follow some rules and conform to a norm purely off the basis of us being forced to. Why should I truly act in a moral manner, waste my life living altruistically if there is no end goal in sight?
Quote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:23:48 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:20:02 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:03:23 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 06:58:01 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:47:04 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on March 10, 2015, 06:43:38 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:33:29 PM"In an interview[26] that Popper gave in 1969 with the condition that it shall be kept secret until after his death, he summarised his position on God as follows: "I don't know whether God exists or not.You mean he said the exact same thing the New Atheists have been saying all along? Holy shit! What a fucking revelation! Yeah, it's not at all shocking that most atheists are agnostic as opposed to gnostic.lel atheist:a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.enlightened agnostic:a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.Tell me, why should any rational person give this so called "God" the benefit is the doubt apart from the fact that it's the common thing to believe in? Hundreds of years ago it was Zeus and Co. And people were considered fools back then for doubting their existence. He doesn't exist."A god" exists because without him life is pointless.And don't give me that philosophical subjectivity bullshit because we all know that's just to help you get some sleep at night.Life is pointless without a cruel and sadistic god?LOLWho said he has to be the god in the Old Testament? Or Kali? Or Zeus?Because the "new and improved" god isn't cruel and sadistic?
Quote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 07:20:02 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:03:23 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 06:58:01 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:47:04 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on March 10, 2015, 06:43:38 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:33:29 PM"In an interview[26] that Popper gave in 1969 with the condition that it shall be kept secret until after his death, he summarised his position on God as follows: "I don't know whether God exists or not.You mean he said the exact same thing the New Atheists have been saying all along? Holy shit! What a fucking revelation! Yeah, it's not at all shocking that most atheists are agnostic as opposed to gnostic.lel atheist:a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.enlightened agnostic:a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.Tell me, why should any rational person give this so called "God" the benefit is the doubt apart from the fact that it's the common thing to believe in? Hundreds of years ago it was Zeus and Co. And people were considered fools back then for doubting their existence. He doesn't exist."A god" exists because without him life is pointless.And don't give me that philosophical subjectivity bullshit because we all know that's just to help you get some sleep at night.Life is pointless without a cruel and sadistic god?LOLWho said he has to be the god in the Old Testament? Or Kali? Or Zeus?
Quote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:03:23 PMQuote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 06:58:01 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:47:04 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on March 10, 2015, 06:43:38 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:33:29 PM"In an interview[26] that Popper gave in 1969 with the condition that it shall be kept secret until after his death, he summarised his position on God as follows: "I don't know whether God exists or not.You mean he said the exact same thing the New Atheists have been saying all along? Holy shit! What a fucking revelation! Yeah, it's not at all shocking that most atheists are agnostic as opposed to gnostic.lel atheist:a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.enlightened agnostic:a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.Tell me, why should any rational person give this so called "God" the benefit is the doubt apart from the fact that it's the common thing to believe in? Hundreds of years ago it was Zeus and Co. And people were considered fools back then for doubting their existence. He doesn't exist."A god" exists because without him life is pointless.And don't give me that philosophical subjectivity bullshit because we all know that's just to help you get some sleep at night.Life is pointless without a cruel and sadistic god?LOL
Quote from: challengerX on March 10, 2015, 06:58:01 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:47:04 PMQuote from: Meta Cognition on March 10, 2015, 06:43:38 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 06:33:29 PM"In an interview[26] that Popper gave in 1969 with the condition that it shall be kept secret until after his death, he summarised his position on God as follows: "I don't know whether God exists or not.You mean he said the exact same thing the New Atheists have been saying all along? Holy shit! What a fucking revelation! Yeah, it's not at all shocking that most atheists are agnostic as opposed to gnostic.lel atheist:a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.enlightened agnostic:a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.Tell me, why should any rational person give this so called "God" the benefit is the doubt apart from the fact that it's the common thing to believe in? Hundreds of years ago it was Zeus and Co. And people were considered fools back then for doubting their existence. He doesn't exist."A god" exists because without him life is pointless.And don't give me that philosophical subjectivity bullshit because we all know that's just to help you get some sleep at night.
Quote from: Verbatim on March 10, 2015, 08:08:01 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:58:36 PM>using something we made up to give value to life>not doing that>pretending our lives have any value without a god
Quote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:58:36 PM>using something we made up to give value to life>not doing that
Quote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 08:08:36 PMQuote from: Verbatim on March 10, 2015, 08:08:01 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:58:36 PM>using something we made up to give value to life>not doing that>pretending our lives have any value without a godHow does god give our life value though?
Quote from: Nexus on March 10, 2015, 08:11:25 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 08:08:36 PMQuote from: Verbatim on March 10, 2015, 08:08:01 PMQuote from: Jim on March 10, 2015, 07:58:36 PM>using something we made up to give value to life>not doing that>pretending our lives have any value without a godHow does god give our life value though?Because simpletons without the capacity to think for themselves need something to tell them what to do
>tfw philosophy teacher thinks suicide is cowardly
