I fail to see how someone "who's not in their right mind" isn't a threat to others as well as themselves.

You can't have it both ways. You can't say they are not in their right mind but also not want to lock them up and force mandatory treatment.

Look at the majority of people who go on mass shootings. Don't most commit suicide when they are done? We're they not a threat to others?

I fail to see how someone "who's not in their right mind" isn't a threat to others as well as themselves.

You can't have it both ways. You can't say they are not in their right mind but also not want to lock them up and force mandatory treatment.

Look at the majority of people who go on mass shootings. Don't most commit suicide when they are done? We're they not a threat to others?

depression isn't an easy thing to see at all, a person can function perfectly while they're depressed and hide it. it's a mental problem that makes you change how much you think you are worth, it makes you think you're a worthless piece of shit, but you keep pushing on to keep those around you happy until whatever happiness you have left in your life is consumed by the depression and you find life no longer worth living.

for sake of example, my brother right up until the day he offed himself was a man with a heart of gold, he was constantly looking for ways to help those who were being looked down on, or those who were depressed themselves. he hid the pain so that others wouldn't know, and tried to help so that no one around him knew the same pain he was feeling all the time. so don't ever say that everyone who's depressed is a threat to society, because my brother never hurt a single god damn person in his life except himself.

For all you DENSE MOTHERFUCKERS UP IN THIS THREAD.

Pull up a chair here, sit the fuck down, and let's talk. Opinions are nice things, we all have them. But opinions, are hollow when faced with facts and truth. If there's one thing I know, it's depression. And as I said before. If you haven't been in that state before, if you haven't been that low in your life.

Then your opinion is invalid, misguided, and most of all you're being ignorant in the face of understanding. So let's talk.

What is depression? It's a low spot. Picture emotions and feelings like a line graph. Depression makes all of these lines go downwards. Depression, isn't locked to one form, one root cause. Depression is a natural thing for humans. It comes in different forms, comes from different causes, and has many different effects on people.

The type of depression this thread is acknowledging is suicidal depression. So let's talk about what suicidal depression and what it does to you.

Remember that line graph I mentioned? When you have that form of depression, every single thing goes down. Everything loses merit. Loses impact. Loses interest. Loses connection.

It's all replaced with a shade of grey. When you wake up in the morning, you don't feel like getting up. You just go back to sleep. When you go to sleep at night, you wish that you won't wake up in the morning.

Every single thing around you is lifeless. It holds nothing of value. Being surrounded by all this nothingness makes you tired and played out. Because being surrounded by nothing of value, your life's value dissappears.

Suicidal depressed people aren't a threat to anybody but themselves. Because they don't hate anybody. They don't like anybody. Because to them, doing anything is pointless. They just want to go to sleep. They want to rest.

And they're the best hiders. Because it's all in their head. They can smile. They can laugh. They can do every single thing they normally would be able to do. But inside their head, it's hollow to them. It's acting. It's like old impulses, instinct.

You know what to look like to make people think you're happy. You know all those old impulses but they do nothing for you.

And suicidal people aren't completely like blank slates. They have genuine moments where something stands out to them again. It's like an explosion of colour. Imagine having a gray filter over your eyes in your day. And then somebody, something, suddenly makes a colour. For just a few moments, you remember who you are. You remember all of what you had, all of those old feelings.

And then it dies. That colour dies, fades, and leaves you back in the void.

And every time it happens, it pulls you down piece by piece.

The point here is, and I'm mainly addressing this to you PSU, is that suicidal depression doesn't just show up. You don't wake up one day, and say, "Oh poor me everything is so tough to do, I want to kill myself."

True, suicidal depression is like a slow moving poison. It takes years. It alters your head, your thoughts, your perception, over a very slow, gradual timespan. It's so slow that you don't notice it. You don't pick up on it. And then suddenly, one morning you wake up, and everything is dead to you. And it feels like it's been like that for a very, very long time.

Suicidal depression, at best, can't be described as your own thoughts. You don't look at a challenge and break down and say it's too tough or hard. You look at the challenge, and your altered thinking gives you the question.

"Why? Why bother? Why do this when it won't amount to anything?"

Keep in mind here, we're talking about suicidal depression. This is what suicidal depression is. Generalizing depression is a mistake, and generalizing what and how it affects people is as well.

Suicidal depression, eats away at you. And by the time it's time to put your foot down, take a look at a challenge and say, "fuck it, I can do it, I can beat it and I can win, and I'm doing this for myself,"

There's nothing left of you to say it. There is nothing in your head that gives you motivation because motivation is dead. Happiness, anger, sadness, every single thing you know, is dead.

You feel hollow, dead, and empty, and death to you becomes the only thing left.

Death to you is the only thing left in existence that has colour.

Because when you die, you rest. You rest, and you never have to wake up to the world again.

That is suicidal depression. And until you've ever gone through it, gone through years of it degrading you and eating away at you, and you find yourself standing on a fucking radio tower like I did, hanging over the rails, unafraid of the height, unafraid of the cold, unafraid that your fingers were slipping and that you were going to fall that terrifying distance to the ground and die,

none of you people here understand.

It's not cowardice in the face of adversity. Because you're an empty shell. There's nothing left of you to be afraid, or happy, or scared. You're so empty that crying, actually crying, is dead to you.

That is suicidal depression. And unless any of you people here have gone through it, then sit the fuck down and listen to others who have.

Get off your alt Max

TL DR.

I'm the one here that actually wants to treat people with depression so they are no longer a threat to others and themselves.

You people seem to like the wait and see approach. All good, when people keep killing themselves for dumb reasons I'll still be here calling them cowards because of how they leave their parents, family and friends asking why.

Wahhhhh my life is so hard. It's sure much harder than that African child who's parents were killed and only wants some clean water and a shelter for the night. Wahhhh so tough being an American. Wah depression. Wah peer pressures. Wahhhh wahhhhh.

TL DR.

I'm the one here that actually wants to treat people with depression so they are no longer a threat to others and themselves.

You people seem to like the wait and see approach. All good, when people keep killing themselves for dumb reasons I'll still be here calling them cowards because of how they leave their parents, family and friends asking why.

Wahhhhh my life is so hard. It's sure much harder than that African child who's parents were killed and only wants some clean water and a shelter for the night. Wahhhh so tough being an American. Wah depression. Wah peer pressures. Wahhhh wahhhhh.

Newsflash, if you read and understood what I'd said, you'd now that most people with depression hide it. And they hide it well. You never find out until it's too late, or, through some luck of the draw, they tell somebody and get help.

I just fucking told you they aren't killing themselves because things are hard. Those are only the catalysts to the onset of depression. After that their troubles, no matter how big or small don't matter.

You're not helping anybody by saying, "HUR DUR BUCK UP SON."

That's macho man garbage. You don't treat depressed people like baggage. You show them something worth fighting for. You find them something to hang on to and to pull themselves back up. You show them why the world isn't grey. But you want to be a narrow minded ignorant sack of old sacks?

Okay.

TL:DR:

Why do you keep trying to imply I'm trying to act like some macho jock here?

I dont give a fuck what frame of mind someone is in. It's a pussies way out when there are children who have to survive on their own. Have to find their own shelter and own clean water. If someone thinks their life is so hard and pointless, then I say go ahead and off yourself because the world is better off. Too many spoiled bitches in today's society.

I ain't even mad here but jesus fuck talking to walls gets old. Is it not so hard to take a look at logical explanations, presented from experiences from people who either experienced it firsthand or watched firsthand what somebody went through?

Jesus fuck PSU it's dissappointing. You don't seem like a bad guy but your views are skewed. They're inaccurate and based on opinion over experience. Everybody can have their own opinion and everybody can do what the fuck they want, but when you deny something that all the arrows point to in big flashing lights, it's a fucking joke.

It's tiresome and played out. Stop being a predictable lump of a human being and use your god damn head. Remember when I said that depression isn't a root cause.

It can come from just about fucking anywhere. It's affects vary.

Depression isn't a nail that you can just hammer down easy peasy. It's part of the human condition and the human condition is still a mystery because of how varied it is.

Open your fucking eyes and for once, do something different.

Talking to you on this issue is like dealing with all the other assholes around me in my personal life.



Stopping sinking the boat you fuck.

Ethical Naturalism is dumb

Just like incest.

TL DR.

I'm the one here that actually wants to treat people with depression so they are no longer a threat to others and themselves.

You people seem to like the wait and see approach. All good, when people keep killing themselves for dumb reasons I'll still be here calling them cowards because of how they leave their parents, family and friends asking why.

Wahhhhh my life is so hard. It's sure much harder than that African child who's parents were killed and only wants some clean water and a shelter for the night. Wahhhh so tough being an American. Wah depression. Wah peer pressures. Wahhhh wahhhhh.

>people with depression
>a threat to others

lmao

I've had recurring depression all the way back to middle school. When it's bad, the worst thing I've ever wanted to do to other people is not see them because I'd rather lay on my ass and eat poptarts all day.

Quote from: Cindy on March 11, 2015, 03:36:31 PM

I'd rather lay on my ass and eat poptarts all day.

lol ur fat

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put the pieces together bro

And, one, last word on this PSU. Take a look at the law of majority. What's the general, overall concensus in this thread? Why do you have three, four, five fucking people telling you that your statement is wrong?

Surely, either you must be a genius and you're just seeing what everybody, including trained proffessionals that deal with depression don't.

Or you're just being a stubborn wall of a person who thinks their opinion is 100% correct, 100% fact.

Think about that. But no, don't take the people's words for it because we're just people after all. Rabble forum goers. What could we possibly know about these things when we're not proffessionals?

Then I tell you this instead.

Go to any proffessional who deals with treating depressed people. Go to any person who deals with suicidal depressed people.

And ask them.

And they'll likely tell you a pretty fucking damn close story to what the vast majority of people in this thread have about what depression is, what it does, and why it shows up for people.

And if you're too lazy to pick up a phone, and call a suicide related question center, then you're a lazy fuck.

And if you talk to a proffessional and ask them questions, and listen to their answers, and still think the way you do? Then you're an ignorant fuck.

The proof is in the numbers that outnumber your opinions.

You can't disprove fucking mathematics unless you fuck up an equation.

Mathematically speaking, your opinion and views on suicide count as the number 1.

Every person in here who contradicted your views counts as a number. That makes what, 5-7, maybe 8 people? How about medical proffessionals?

Fuck that's got to be at the very, smallest possible number, 500,000 in the states.

That's on rough estimates here, 500,008 people who would tell you otherwise about your opinions.

Are you seriously fucking telling me that in 500,008 to 1 odds that you're going to be right?

If you do, then holy fuck I'll call you a professional comedian.

oh my god let this thread fucking die

Woah, so this is philosophy discussion on the Flood

Indulge in it. You know you want to.