Are AI becoming the new zombies?

SecondClass · April 19, 2016, 04:05:45 PM

Fallout, The 100 (where my avatar comes from), Chappie, Portal, etc. It seems like AI plotlines and stories are becoming a lot more overused in fiction these days.

Not that this is a bad thing, though. I'd much rather have AIs oversaturate the market than zombies or superheroes.

Ian · April 19, 2016, 04:06:42 PM

I'd rather not have an over saturation to begin with.

SecondClass · April 19, 2016, 04:29:25 PM

Quote from: Ian on April 19, 2016, 04:06:42 PM

I'd rather not have an over saturation to begin with.

It's inevitable that popular things get oversaturated, that's just supply and demand.

Coomer · April 19, 2016, 04:44:48 PM

I'm more concerned with all the remakes and adaptations
Especially from Disney (although Jungle Book looks good)

Doesn't seem like much original content is making it to the screen

big dog · April 19, 2016, 06:25:47 PM

I don't mind oversaturation tbh. If a writer wants to use a particular setting or idea, they shouldn't be constrained by the fact that others are doing it. As long as it's good anyway.

MyNameIsCharlie · April 20, 2016, 12:11:02 AM

The two trade off. AI was big in the 80's. Terminator, War Games... More than a few others. Even Star Trek. I think what we fear in entertainment goes between the technological, the biological and the supernatural. What we create, what is beyond our control and beyond our understanding. Maybe that's why Halo is such a strong franchise. It incorporates all three.

BaconShelf · April 20, 2016, 08:23:18 AM

AI has been in Fallout since the beginning

It's more AI in a human body that thinks it's human that's the issue. JHE, Skynet etc were all fully aware they were machines - Synths think they're human and that's the issue in FO4

sorry, just nitpicking

anyway I don't see what makes AI any different from heroes or zombies. The only difference is AI is relatively new and you're not tired of it yet.

SecondClass · April 20, 2016, 03:37:26 PM

Quote from: BaconShelf on April 20, 2016, 08:23:18 AM

AI has been in Fallout since the beginning

It's more AI in a human body that thinks it's human that's the issue. JHE, Skynet etc were all fully aware they were machines - Synths think they're human and that's the issue in FO4

sorry, just nitpicking

anyway I don't see what makes AI any different from heroes or zombies. The only difference is AI is relatively new and you're not tired of it yet.

No, the difference is that robots on Fallout are programmed to respond in specific ways to specific situations, where synths are "true" AI that can learn and feel legitimate emotion. That's why a Mr Handy or Sentry Bot stays in one place for hundreds of years, following its programming and guarding it. Why Codsworth waits at your house until the master he was programmed to follow reappears.

There's some ambiguity whether Gen 1 and 2 synths are more akin to this, but it's been confirmed that Gen 3's are human on every mental level.

And what makes AI different isn't that I'm not tired of them yet, its that the market itself hasn't completely been overwhelmed with AI media.

As a sidenote though, AI are a lot more interesting to me than either zombies or superheroes. Both are so boring IMO.

velox · April 20, 2016, 03:47:06 PM

Zombies are an easy excuse for slow, stupid enemies. AI's are sort of more interesting by default, at least to me. Unless you just make them into mindless drones, then they're reskinned zombies.

BaconShelf · April 21, 2016, 04:41:49 AM

Quote from: ALIE on April 20, 2016, 03:37:26 PM

Quote from: BaconShelf on April 20, 2016, 08:23:18 AM
AI has been in Fallout since the beginning

It's more AI in a human body that thinks it's human that's the issue. JHE, Skynet etc were all fully aware they were machines - Synths think they're human and that's the issue in FO4

sorry, just nitpicking

anyway I don't see what makes AI any different from heroes or zombies. The only difference is AI is relatively new and you're not tired of it yet.
No, the difference is that robots on Fallout are programmed to respond in specific ways to specific situations, where synths are "true" AI that can learn and feel legitimate emotion. That's why a Mr Handy or Sentry Bot stays in one place for hundreds of years, following its programming and guarding it. Why Codsworth waits at your house until the master he was programmed to follow reappears.

There's some ambiguity whether Gen 1 and 2 synths are more akin to this, but it's been confirmed that Gen 3's are human on every mental level.

And what makes AI different isn't that I'm not tired of them yet, its that the market itself hasn't completely been overwhelmed with AI media.

As a sidenote though, AI are a lot more interesting to me than either zombies or superheroes. Both are so boring IMO.

I wasn't talking about generic protectrons and sentry bots. I specifically said John Henry Eden, Skynet, that one AI from Fallout 1 (Name I can't remember) that were all fully self aware. John Henry Eden limited access to him beyond Autumn to maintain the illusion the President was a human for that reason. We've not seen a true AI in a sentry (or whatever) yet, to my knowledge. The ones we have seen have all been stationary requiring massive complexes and power sources to maintain. However, they were still in big computers, even if they were self aware. Synths are the first to have been put in a human body.

Honestly, the idea of synths creeps me out. I'm still not sure how I feel about research going down that path.

big dog · April 21, 2016, 04:48:48 AM

Quote from: BaconShelf on April 21, 2016, 04:41:49 AM

Honestly, the idea of synths creeps me out. I'm still not sure how I feel about research going down that path.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/16/could-you-fall-in-love-with-this-robot.html

BaconShelf · April 21, 2016, 04:50:45 AM

Quote from: Fedorekd on April 21, 2016, 04:48:48 AM

Quote from: BaconShelf on April 21, 2016, 04:41:49 AM
Honestly, the idea of synths creeps me out. I'm still not sure how I feel about research going down that path.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/16/could-you-fall-in-love-with-this-robot.html

#taytweets

SecondClass · April 21, 2016, 05:00:26 AM

Quote from: BaconShelf on April 21, 2016, 04:41:49 AM

Quote from: ALIE on April 20, 2016, 03:37:26 PM
Quote from: BaconShelf on April 20, 2016, 08:23:18 AM
AI has been in Fallout since the beginning

It's more AI in a human body that thinks it's human that's the issue. JHE, Skynet etc were all fully aware they were machines - Synths think they're human and that's the issue in FO4

sorry, just nitpicking

anyway I don't see what makes AI any different from heroes or zombies. The only difference is AI is relatively new and you're not tired of it yet.
No, the difference is that robots on Fallout are programmed to respond in specific ways to specific situations, where synths are "true" AI that can learn and feel legitimate emotion. That's why a Mr Handy or Sentry Bot stays in one place for hundreds of years, following its programming and guarding it. Why Codsworth waits at your house until the master he was programmed to follow reappears.

There's some ambiguity whether Gen 1 and 2 synths are more akin to this, but it's been confirmed that Gen 3's are human on every mental level.

And what makes AI different isn't that I'm not tired of them yet, its that the market itself hasn't completely been overwhelmed with AI media.

As a sidenote though, AI are a lot more interesting to me than either zombies or superheroes. Both are so boring IMO.

I wasn't talking about generic protectrons and sentry bots. I specifically said John Henry Eden, Skynet, that one AI from Fallout 1 (Name I can't remember) that were all fully self aware. John Henry Eden limited access to him beyond Autumn to maintain the illusion the President was a human for that reason. We've not seen a true AI in a sentry (or whatever) yet, to my knowledge. The ones we have seen have all been stationary requiring massive complexes and power sources to maintain. However, they were still in big computers, even if they were self aware. Synths are the first to have been put in a human body.

Honestly, the idea of synths creeps me out. I'm still not sure how I feel about research going down that path.

Oh, I see what you meant now.

And yeah, it seems the main problem with synths is the lack of transparency. With a ZAX computer, while it might be able to sound and behave like a human, it's obviously a computer. A synth can trick others into thinking otherwise. It is a scary kind of thing, and I see the Fallout universe being changed pretty dramatically past 4 because of them.