Quote from: Kinder_ on October 02, 2014, 12:20:22 AMExcept what you said isn't valid under certain circumstances, as I described in decent detail. And nothing is moving away from anything. Over 700,000 people are sworn police officers and not even every single one is bad. You're seriously sounding like Kiyo right now by making such a generalized assumption. Steal money? it's illegal to commit traffic violations and the LEGISLATURE establishes penalties for those violations. If you don't want to pay the government $100+ then don't speed or run a stop sign; it's common senseI do support searching vehicles without a warrant so long as it is done so in a lawful manner. Read what I posted again to understand itI do not need to read anything again, I understand it perfectly well. You are not more informed than everyone else just because you are studying in college.
Except what you said isn't valid under certain circumstances, as I described in decent detail. And nothing is moving away from anything. Over 700,000 people are sworn police officers and not even every single one is bad. You're seriously sounding like Kiyo right now by making such a generalized assumption. Steal money? it's illegal to commit traffic violations and the LEGISLATURE establishes penalties for those violations. If you don't want to pay the government $100+ then don't speed or run a stop sign; it's common senseI do support searching vehicles without a warrant so long as it is done so in a lawful manner. Read what I posted again to understand it
Quote from: Lady Noelle on October 02, 2014, 12:22:26 AMQuote from: Kinder_ on October 02, 2014, 12:20:22 AMExcept what you said isn't valid under certain circumstances, as I described in decent detail. And nothing is moving away from anything. Over 700,000 people are sworn police officers and not even every single one is bad. You're seriously sounding like Kiyo right now by making such a generalized assumption. Steal money? it's illegal to commit traffic violations and the LEGISLATURE establishes penalties for those violations. If you don't want to pay the government $100+ then don't speed or run a stop sign; it's common senseI do support searching vehicles without a warrant so long as it is done so in a lawful manner. Read what I posted again to understand itI do not need to read anything again, I understand it perfectly well. You are not more informed than everyone else just because you are studying in college.I can't believe you just said that.
Quote from: Lord Ruler on October 02, 2014, 08:03:34 AMQuote from: Lady Noelle on October 02, 2014, 12:22:26 AMQuote from: Kinder_ on October 02, 2014, 12:20:22 AMExcept what you said isn't valid under certain circumstances, as I described in decent detail. And nothing is moving away from anything. Over 700,000 people are sworn police officers and not even every single one is bad. You're seriously sounding like Kiyo right now by making such a generalized assumption. Steal money? it's illegal to commit traffic violations and the LEGISLATURE establishes penalties for those violations. If you don't want to pay the government $100+ then don't speed or run a stop sign; it's common senseI do support searching vehicles without a warrant so long as it is done so in a lawful manner. Read what I posted again to understand itI do not need to read anything again, I understand it perfectly well. You are not more informed than everyone else just because you are studying in college.I can't believe you just said that.I'm sad I can only like this once
Quote from: Kinder_ on October 02, 2014, 12:46:52 AMQuote from: Cheat on October 02, 2014, 12:34:18 AMQuote from: Kinder_ on October 02, 2014, 12:20:22 AMQuote from: Lady Noelle on October 02, 2014, 12:11:29 AMQuote from: Kinder_ on October 01, 2014, 11:56:36 PMQuote from: Lady Noelle on October 01, 2014, 11:14:27 PMCops are pigs. I hope you did not let him search your trunk or anywhere else in your vehicle. If they demand to search your car then you can politely tell them to frack off and get a warrant.SpoilerYou know, I take a great offense towards this. Not only because I have family and professors that are current/retired police officers, but because I'm going to start the application process in another year to become one. You're basically calling me a pig and I don't really take that all to well. Are there a few bad cops? Yes, but that doesn't mean all cops are bad and there's no need for them all to gain so much angsty hate. Like it or not, but if cops didn't exist then the nation would have the same issues as a third world countryOh, and warrants are not always needed to search a vehicle.Courts generally give police more leeway to search a vehicle than a home. Under the "automobile exception" to the search warrant requirement, individuals have less of an expectation of privacy when driving a car- You have given the officer consent- The officer has probable cause to believe there is evidence of a crime in your vehicle- The officer reasonably believes a search is necessary for their own protection (a hidden weapon, for example)- You have been arrested and the search is related to that arrest (such as a search for illegal drugs)Automobiles may be stopped if an officer possesses a reasonable and articulable suspicion that the motorist has violated a traffic law. If the reason for the stop is a minor traffic offense like speeding, the officer likely isn’t permitted to search your car without more reason. However, if police arrest for conduct arising out of a traffic stop, a search of your vehicle incident to arrest will usually be allowed.On top of that it's perfectly legally for a cop to call in a K9 unit and conduct an outside sniffing of a vehicle. If a dog makes a hit then cops can search and seize without a warrantHow do I know all of this? Because I'm going to college to be a cop and I have conducted research for class assignments along with gaining information from instructors who are currently on-duty police officersThat is fine if you take offense to it, everything I said is still valid. I did not force you to choose a career path where you are the enemy of the public. It is unfortunate that it is that way, since police officers are supposed to be there to protect citizens in their daily lives, but it has gotten away from that in this country. If you see a cop driving around, you should feel safe, not wondering if the bitch is going to steal money from you or harass you for legally open carrying a weapon. The fact that you think searching someone's vehicle without a warrant is okay does not make me hopeful that you will set a good example as a cop, sorry to say.Except what you said isn't valid under certain circumstances, as I described in decent detail. And nothing is moving away from anything. Over 700,000 people are sworn police officers and not even every single one is bad. You're seriously sounding like Kiyo right now by making such a generalized assumption. Steal money? it's illegal to commit traffic violations and the LEGISLATURE establishes penalties for those violations. If you don't want to pay the government $100+ then don't speed or run a stop sign; it's common senseI do support searching vehicles without a warrant so long as it is done so in a lawful manner. Read what I posted again to understand itThe problem I have with police officers is that their presence doesn't inspire a feeling of safety; rather, I feel suspicious and wary. I have a problem with micro-infractions that are only there to collect money, and I especially have a problem with the type of personality the job tends to attract.We all understand not all cops are bad, but they're carrying guns and there's not a whole lot you can do if they really want to search you or question you.Traffic fines are produced by the legislature, not the police and no need to be upset at them about it. I've gotten a ticket before but that was because I was speeding and was dumb for me to do so. Not upset or angry about it and now learned to be more attentive when driving so I don't get another. Cops are literally normal people; they have families, neighbors, and do everything that you do but for just for crap pay. Law enforcement is not about the money, people join because they want to protect their communities. If they wanted money then they'd find a job in private security and join a federal police agencyThere's actually a lot you can do when stopped. First off, ask what the purpose of being stopped is. If they don't have either reasonable suspicion or probable cause then you are free to go, don't have to answer questions, or have thing searched. If they're going to be an idiot and not let you leave or whatever without any actual reasoning, then ask them for their name, badge number, and for a supervisor to be on scene; it's required for them to do all of thatI know my rights quite well in terms of what to do involving a police encounter, but the honest cops aren't really what I was getting at. I'm sure you've seen some of the more popular examples of an officer's misuse of power on Youtube, since you're studying to become one.Police are out to arrest you and collect money for the state, town, county, or whatever. They don't ask you questions for your safety; they do so to collect evidence for a conviction.
Quote from: Cheat on October 02, 2014, 12:34:18 AMQuote from: Kinder_ on October 02, 2014, 12:20:22 AMQuote from: Lady Noelle on October 02, 2014, 12:11:29 AMQuote from: Kinder_ on October 01, 2014, 11:56:36 PMQuote from: Lady Noelle on October 01, 2014, 11:14:27 PMCops are pigs. I hope you did not let him search your trunk or anywhere else in your vehicle. If they demand to search your car then you can politely tell them to frack off and get a warrant.SpoilerYou know, I take a great offense towards this. Not only because I have family and professors that are current/retired police officers, but because I'm going to start the application process in another year to become one. You're basically calling me a pig and I don't really take that all to well. Are there a few bad cops? Yes, but that doesn't mean all cops are bad and there's no need for them all to gain so much angsty hate. Like it or not, but if cops didn't exist then the nation would have the same issues as a third world countryOh, and warrants are not always needed to search a vehicle.Courts generally give police more leeway to search a vehicle than a home. Under the "automobile exception" to the search warrant requirement, individuals have less of an expectation of privacy when driving a car- You have given the officer consent- The officer has probable cause to believe there is evidence of a crime in your vehicle- The officer reasonably believes a search is necessary for their own protection (a hidden weapon, for example)- You have been arrested and the search is related to that arrest (such as a search for illegal drugs)Automobiles may be stopped if an officer possesses a reasonable and articulable suspicion that the motorist has violated a traffic law. If the reason for the stop is a minor traffic offense like speeding, the officer likely isn’t permitted to search your car without more reason. However, if police arrest for conduct arising out of a traffic stop, a search of your vehicle incident to arrest will usually be allowed.On top of that it's perfectly legally for a cop to call in a K9 unit and conduct an outside sniffing of a vehicle. If a dog makes a hit then cops can search and seize without a warrantHow do I know all of this? Because I'm going to college to be a cop and I have conducted research for class assignments along with gaining information from instructors who are currently on-duty police officersThat is fine if you take offense to it, everything I said is still valid. I did not force you to choose a career path where you are the enemy of the public. It is unfortunate that it is that way, since police officers are supposed to be there to protect citizens in their daily lives, but it has gotten away from that in this country. If you see a cop driving around, you should feel safe, not wondering if the bitch is going to steal money from you or harass you for legally open carrying a weapon. The fact that you think searching someone's vehicle without a warrant is okay does not make me hopeful that you will set a good example as a cop, sorry to say.Except what you said isn't valid under certain circumstances, as I described in decent detail. And nothing is moving away from anything. Over 700,000 people are sworn police officers and not even every single one is bad. You're seriously sounding like Kiyo right now by making such a generalized assumption. Steal money? it's illegal to commit traffic violations and the LEGISLATURE establishes penalties for those violations. If you don't want to pay the government $100+ then don't speed or run a stop sign; it's common senseI do support searching vehicles without a warrant so long as it is done so in a lawful manner. Read what I posted again to understand itThe problem I have with police officers is that their presence doesn't inspire a feeling of safety; rather, I feel suspicious and wary. I have a problem with micro-infractions that are only there to collect money, and I especially have a problem with the type of personality the job tends to attract.We all understand not all cops are bad, but they're carrying guns and there's not a whole lot you can do if they really want to search you or question you.Traffic fines are produced by the legislature, not the police and no need to be upset at them about it. I've gotten a ticket before but that was because I was speeding and was dumb for me to do so. Not upset or angry about it and now learned to be more attentive when driving so I don't get another. Cops are literally normal people; they have families, neighbors, and do everything that you do but for just for crap pay. Law enforcement is not about the money, people join because they want to protect their communities. If they wanted money then they'd find a job in private security and join a federal police agencyThere's actually a lot you can do when stopped. First off, ask what the purpose of being stopped is. If they don't have either reasonable suspicion or probable cause then you are free to go, don't have to answer questions, or have thing searched. If they're going to be an idiot and not let you leave or whatever without any actual reasoning, then ask them for their name, badge number, and for a supervisor to be on scene; it's required for them to do all of that
Quote from: Kinder_ on October 02, 2014, 12:20:22 AMQuote from: Lady Noelle on October 02, 2014, 12:11:29 AMQuote from: Kinder_ on October 01, 2014, 11:56:36 PMQuote from: Lady Noelle on October 01, 2014, 11:14:27 PMCops are pigs. I hope you did not let him search your trunk or anywhere else in your vehicle. If they demand to search your car then you can politely tell them to frack off and get a warrant.SpoilerYou know, I take a great offense towards this. Not only because I have family and professors that are current/retired police officers, but because I'm going to start the application process in another year to become one. You're basically calling me a pig and I don't really take that all to well. Are there a few bad cops? Yes, but that doesn't mean all cops are bad and there's no need for them all to gain so much angsty hate. Like it or not, but if cops didn't exist then the nation would have the same issues as a third world countryOh, and warrants are not always needed to search a vehicle.Courts generally give police more leeway to search a vehicle than a home. Under the "automobile exception" to the search warrant requirement, individuals have less of an expectation of privacy when driving a car- You have given the officer consent- The officer has probable cause to believe there is evidence of a crime in your vehicle- The officer reasonably believes a search is necessary for their own protection (a hidden weapon, for example)- You have been arrested and the search is related to that arrest (such as a search for illegal drugs)Automobiles may be stopped if an officer possesses a reasonable and articulable suspicion that the motorist has violated a traffic law. If the reason for the stop is a minor traffic offense like speeding, the officer likely isn’t permitted to search your car without more reason. However, if police arrest for conduct arising out of a traffic stop, a search of your vehicle incident to arrest will usually be allowed.On top of that it's perfectly legally for a cop to call in a K9 unit and conduct an outside sniffing of a vehicle. If a dog makes a hit then cops can search and seize without a warrantHow do I know all of this? Because I'm going to college to be a cop and I have conducted research for class assignments along with gaining information from instructors who are currently on-duty police officersThat is fine if you take offense to it, everything I said is still valid. I did not force you to choose a career path where you are the enemy of the public. It is unfortunate that it is that way, since police officers are supposed to be there to protect citizens in their daily lives, but it has gotten away from that in this country. If you see a cop driving around, you should feel safe, not wondering if the bitch is going to steal money from you or harass you for legally open carrying a weapon. The fact that you think searching someone's vehicle without a warrant is okay does not make me hopeful that you will set a good example as a cop, sorry to say.Except what you said isn't valid under certain circumstances, as I described in decent detail. And nothing is moving away from anything. Over 700,000 people are sworn police officers and not even every single one is bad. You're seriously sounding like Kiyo right now by making such a generalized assumption. Steal money? it's illegal to commit traffic violations and the LEGISLATURE establishes penalties for those violations. If you don't want to pay the government $100+ then don't speed or run a stop sign; it's common senseI do support searching vehicles without a warrant so long as it is done so in a lawful manner. Read what I posted again to understand itThe problem I have with police officers is that their presence doesn't inspire a feeling of safety; rather, I feel suspicious and wary. I have a problem with micro-infractions that are only there to collect money, and I especially have a problem with the type of personality the job tends to attract.We all understand not all cops are bad, but they're carrying guns and there's not a whole lot you can do if they really want to search you or question you.
Quote from: Lady Noelle on October 02, 2014, 12:11:29 AMQuote from: Kinder_ on October 01, 2014, 11:56:36 PMQuote from: Lady Noelle on October 01, 2014, 11:14:27 PMCops are pigs. I hope you did not let him search your trunk or anywhere else in your vehicle. If they demand to search your car then you can politely tell them to frack off and get a warrant.SpoilerYou know, I take a great offense towards this. Not only because I have family and professors that are current/retired police officers, but because I'm going to start the application process in another year to become one. You're basically calling me a pig and I don't really take that all to well. Are there a few bad cops? Yes, but that doesn't mean all cops are bad and there's no need for them all to gain so much angsty hate. Like it or not, but if cops didn't exist then the nation would have the same issues as a third world countryOh, and warrants are not always needed to search a vehicle.Courts generally give police more leeway to search a vehicle than a home. Under the "automobile exception" to the search warrant requirement, individuals have less of an expectation of privacy when driving a car- You have given the officer consent- The officer has probable cause to believe there is evidence of a crime in your vehicle- The officer reasonably believes a search is necessary for their own protection (a hidden weapon, for example)- You have been arrested and the search is related to that arrest (such as a search for illegal drugs)Automobiles may be stopped if an officer possesses a reasonable and articulable suspicion that the motorist has violated a traffic law. If the reason for the stop is a minor traffic offense like speeding, the officer likely isn’t permitted to search your car without more reason. However, if police arrest for conduct arising out of a traffic stop, a search of your vehicle incident to arrest will usually be allowed.On top of that it's perfectly legally for a cop to call in a K9 unit and conduct an outside sniffing of a vehicle. If a dog makes a hit then cops can search and seize without a warrantHow do I know all of this? Because I'm going to college to be a cop and I have conducted research for class assignments along with gaining information from instructors who are currently on-duty police officersThat is fine if you take offense to it, everything I said is still valid. I did not force you to choose a career path where you are the enemy of the public. It is unfortunate that it is that way, since police officers are supposed to be there to protect citizens in their daily lives, but it has gotten away from that in this country. If you see a cop driving around, you should feel safe, not wondering if the bitch is going to steal money from you or harass you for legally open carrying a weapon. The fact that you think searching someone's vehicle without a warrant is okay does not make me hopeful that you will set a good example as a cop, sorry to say.Except what you said isn't valid under certain circumstances, as I described in decent detail. And nothing is moving away from anything. Over 700,000 people are sworn police officers and not even every single one is bad. You're seriously sounding like Kiyo right now by making such a generalized assumption. Steal money? it's illegal to commit traffic violations and the LEGISLATURE establishes penalties for those violations. If you don't want to pay the government $100+ then don't speed or run a stop sign; it's common senseI do support searching vehicles without a warrant so long as it is done so in a lawful manner. Read what I posted again to understand it
Quote from: Kinder_ on October 01, 2014, 11:56:36 PMQuote from: Lady Noelle on October 01, 2014, 11:14:27 PMCops are pigs. I hope you did not let him search your trunk or anywhere else in your vehicle. If they demand to search your car then you can politely tell them to frack off and get a warrant.SpoilerYou know, I take a great offense towards this. Not only because I have family and professors that are current/retired police officers, but because I'm going to start the application process in another year to become one. You're basically calling me a pig and I don't really take that all to well. Are there a few bad cops? Yes, but that doesn't mean all cops are bad and there's no need for them all to gain so much angsty hate. Like it or not, but if cops didn't exist then the nation would have the same issues as a third world countryOh, and warrants are not always needed to search a vehicle.Courts generally give police more leeway to search a vehicle than a home. Under the "automobile exception" to the search warrant requirement, individuals have less of an expectation of privacy when driving a car- You have given the officer consent- The officer has probable cause to believe there is evidence of a crime in your vehicle- The officer reasonably believes a search is necessary for their own protection (a hidden weapon, for example)- You have been arrested and the search is related to that arrest (such as a search for illegal drugs)Automobiles may be stopped if an officer possesses a reasonable and articulable suspicion that the motorist has violated a traffic law. If the reason for the stop is a minor traffic offense like speeding, the officer likely isn’t permitted to search your car without more reason. However, if police arrest for conduct arising out of a traffic stop, a search of your vehicle incident to arrest will usually be allowed.On top of that it's perfectly legally for a cop to call in a K9 unit and conduct an outside sniffing of a vehicle. If a dog makes a hit then cops can search and seize without a warrantHow do I know all of this? Because I'm going to college to be a cop and I have conducted research for class assignments along with gaining information from instructors who are currently on-duty police officersThat is fine if you take offense to it, everything I said is still valid. I did not force you to choose a career path where you are the enemy of the public. It is unfortunate that it is that way, since police officers are supposed to be there to protect citizens in their daily lives, but it has gotten away from that in this country. If you see a cop driving around, you should feel safe, not wondering if the bitch is going to steal money from you or harass you for legally open carrying a weapon. The fact that you think searching someone's vehicle without a warrant is okay does not make me hopeful that you will set a good example as a cop, sorry to say.
Quote from: Lady Noelle on October 01, 2014, 11:14:27 PMCops are pigs. I hope you did not let him search your trunk or anywhere else in your vehicle. If they demand to search your car then you can politely tell them to frack off and get a warrant.SpoilerYou know, I take a great offense towards this. Not only because I have family and professors that are current/retired police officers, but because I'm going to start the application process in another year to become one. You're basically calling me a pig and I don't really take that all to well. Are there a few bad cops? Yes, but that doesn't mean all cops are bad and there's no need for them all to gain so much angsty hate. Like it or not, but if cops didn't exist then the nation would have the same issues as a third world countryOh, and warrants are not always needed to search a vehicle.Courts generally give police more leeway to search a vehicle than a home. Under the "automobile exception" to the search warrant requirement, individuals have less of an expectation of privacy when driving a car- You have given the officer consent- The officer has probable cause to believe there is evidence of a crime in your vehicle- The officer reasonably believes a search is necessary for their own protection (a hidden weapon, for example)- You have been arrested and the search is related to that arrest (such as a search for illegal drugs)Automobiles may be stopped if an officer possesses a reasonable and articulable suspicion that the motorist has violated a traffic law. If the reason for the stop is a minor traffic offense like speeding, the officer likely isn’t permitted to search your car without more reason. However, if police arrest for conduct arising out of a traffic stop, a search of your vehicle incident to arrest will usually be allowed.On top of that it's perfectly legally for a cop to call in a K9 unit and conduct an outside sniffing of a vehicle. If a dog makes a hit then cops can search and seize without a warrantHow do I know all of this? Because I'm going to college to be a cop and I have conducted research for class assignments along with gaining information from instructors who are currently on-duty police officers
Cops are pigs. I hope you did not let him search your trunk or anywhere else in your vehicle. If they demand to search your car then you can politely tell them to frack off and get a warrant.
Quote from: Cheat on October 02, 2014, 01:07:23 AMQuote from: Kinder_ on October 02, 2014, 12:46:52 AMQuote from: Cheat on October 02, 2014, 12:34:18 AMQuote from: Kinder_ on October 02, 2014, 12:20:22 AMQuote from: Lady Noelle on October 02, 2014, 12:11:29 AMQuote from: Kinder_ on October 01, 2014, 11:56:36 PMQuote from: Lady Noelle on October 01, 2014, 11:14:27 PMCops are pigs. I hope you did not let him search your trunk or anywhere else in your vehicle. If they demand to search your car then you can politely tell them to frack off and get a warrant.SpoilerYou know, I take a great offense towards this. Not only because I have family and professors that are current/retired police officers, but because I'm going to start the application process in another year to become one. You're basically calling me a pig and I don't really take that all to well. Are there a few bad cops? Yes, but that doesn't mean all cops are bad and there's no need for them all to gain so much angsty hate. Like it or not, but if cops didn't exist then the nation would have the same issues as a third world countryOh, and warrants are not always needed to search a vehicle.Courts generally give police more leeway to search a vehicle than a home. Under the "automobile exception" to the search warrant requirement, individuals have less of an expectation of privacy when driving a car- You have given the officer consent- The officer has probable cause to believe there is evidence of a crime in your vehicle- The officer reasonably believes a search is necessary for their own protection (a hidden weapon, for example)- You have been arrested and the search is related to that arrest (such as a search for illegal drugs)Automobiles may be stopped if an officer possesses a reasonable and articulable suspicion that the motorist has violated a traffic law. If the reason for the stop is a minor traffic offense like speeding, the officer likely isn’t permitted to search your car without more reason. However, if police arrest for conduct arising out of a traffic stop, a search of your vehicle incident to arrest will usually be allowed.On top of that it's perfectly legally for a cop to call in a K9 unit and conduct an outside sniffing of a vehicle. If a dog makes a hit then cops can search and seize without a warrantHow do I know all of this? Because I'm going to college to be a cop and I have conducted research for class assignments along with gaining information from instructors who are currently on-duty police officersThat is fine if you take offense to it, everything I said is still valid. I did not force you to choose a career path where you are the enemy of the public. It is unfortunate that it is that way, since police officers are supposed to be there to protect citizens in their daily lives, but it has gotten away from that in this country. If you see a cop driving around, you should feel safe, not wondering if the bitch is going to steal money from you or harass you for legally open carrying a weapon. The fact that you think searching someone's vehicle without a warrant is okay does not make me hopeful that you will set a good example as a cop, sorry to say.Except what you said isn't valid under certain circumstances, as I described in decent detail. And nothing is moving away from anything. Over 700,000 people are sworn police officers and not even every single one is bad. You're seriously sounding like Kiyo right now by making such a generalized assumption. Steal money? it's illegal to commit traffic violations and the LEGISLATURE establishes penalties for those violations. If you don't want to pay the government $100+ then don't speed or run a stop sign; it's common senseI do support searching vehicles without a warrant so long as it is done so in a lawful manner. Read what I posted again to understand itThe problem I have with police officers is that their presence doesn't inspire a feeling of safety; rather, I feel suspicious and wary. I have a problem with micro-infractions that are only there to collect money, and I especially have a problem with the type of personality the job tends to attract.We all understand not all cops are bad, but they're carrying guns and there's not a whole lot you can do if they really want to search you or question you.Traffic fines are produced by the legislature, not the police and no need to be upset at them about it. I've gotten a ticket before but that was because I was speeding and was dumb for me to do so. Not upset or angry about it and now learned to be more attentive when driving so I don't get another. Cops are literally normal people; they have families, neighbors, and do everything that you do but for just for crap pay. Law enforcement is not about the money, people join because they want to protect their communities. If they wanted money then they'd find a job in private security and join a federal police agencyThere's actually a lot you can do when stopped. First off, ask what the purpose of being stopped is. If they don't have either reasonable suspicion or probable cause then you are free to go, don't have to answer questions, or have thing searched. If they're going to be an idiot and not let you leave or whatever without any actual reasoning, then ask them for their name, badge number, and for a supervisor to be on scene; it's required for them to do all of thatI know my rights quite well in terms of what to do involving a police encounter, but the honest cops aren't really what I was getting at. I'm sure you've seen some of the more popular examples of an officer's misuse of power on Youtube, since you're studying to become one.Police are out to arrest you and collect money for the state, town, county, or whatever. They don't ask you questions for your safety; they do so to collect evidence for a conviction.Oh, I've plenty of videos where cops are acting like idiot asshats and have had professors, as cops, show them and tear the frackers to pieces with everything they're doing wrong. But I distinguish that the actions of those few are not representative of every other copAre all Muslims terrorists because of the actions of extremists? NoAre all black criminals because there are some that are? NoAre all Germans nazis because a few were? NoI can keep going but it's the fact that the actions of a few are not an indication of the whole. But also remember that cops are humans; they experience frustration, annoyance, and other emotions. No matter how hard they are trained, there will be a few snapping points where everything built up just comes out for a few seconds.Police are out to arrest and ticket because for one, that's there job and they are part of the executive branch of government and enforce laws set by the legislature. Second is to protect the people and the community; if there were no cops then people would be speeding, running lights, drinking and driving, commit robberies, kidnappings, murder, and rape. Police are established to prevent people from doing that and act as a deterrent. Why don't you run red lights? Because you know you will be stopped and given a ticket. And if you run a red light and kill a person, you just committed involuntary manslaughter. But by police being present, you don't run the light and you don't kill a car full of people
Yay! Logic
Quote from: BC1096 on October 02, 2014, 08:49:51 AMYay! LogicCareful, Noel might call you an idiot.
Quote from: The Waifu God on October 02, 2014, 08:51:16 AMQuote from: BC1096 on October 02, 2014, 08:49:51 AMYay! LogicCareful, Noel might call you an idiot.I mean it's still true. But there are different interpretations.Granted I've never ran into an asshole cop, I think they are all pretty cool. Well enough that I've become friends with a few that have given me tickets in the past. Like my neighbor
Quote from: BC1096 on October 02, 2014, 08:53:11 AMQuote from: The Waifu God on October 02, 2014, 08:51:16 AMQuote from: BC1096 on October 02, 2014, 08:49:51 AMYay! LogicCareful, Noel might call you an idiot.I mean it's still true. But there are different interpretations.Granted I've never ran into an asshole cop, I think they are all pretty cool. Well enough that I've become friends with a few that have given me tickets in the past. Like my neighborSure sure, assholes exist in every field. I'm just not one for hate speech.
Quote from: The Waifu God on October 02, 2014, 09:03:50 AMQuote from: BC1096 on October 02, 2014, 08:53:11 AMQuote from: The Waifu God on October 02, 2014, 08:51:16 AMQuote from: BC1096 on October 02, 2014, 08:49:51 AMYay! LogicCareful, Noel might call you an idiot.I mean it's still true. But there are different interpretations.Granted I've never ran into an asshole cop, I think they are all pretty cool. Well enough that I've become friends with a few that have given me tickets in the past. Like my neighborSure sure, assholes exist in every field. I'm just not one for hate speech.What do you mean by that last part?
Quote from: BC1096 on October 02, 2014, 09:04:38 AMQuote from: The Waifu God on October 02, 2014, 09:03:50 AMQuote from: BC1096 on October 02, 2014, 08:53:11 AMQuote from: The Waifu God on October 02, 2014, 08:51:16 AMQuote from: BC1096 on October 02, 2014, 08:49:51 AMYay! LogicCareful, Noel might call you an idiot.I mean it's still true. But there are different interpretations.Granted I've never ran into an asshole cop, I think they are all pretty cool. Well enough that I've become friends with a few that have given me tickets in the past. Like my neighborSure sure, assholes exist in every field. I'm just not one for hate speech.What do you mean by that last part?Noel was, seriously, portraying all cops as assholes in this thread.
Quote from: Kinder_ on October 02, 2014, 12:10:19 AMQuote from: Nuka on October 01, 2014, 11:58:09 PMQuote from: Kinder_ on October 01, 2014, 11:47:21 PMQuote from: Nuka on October 01, 2014, 11:14:25 PM'muricaHe was probably just trying to reach his quota.Quotas are illegal. That's a public misconceptionThe cops in my town have quotas because the state is in massive debt. Cops literally just wait around to pull over just about anyone because they're desperate to write people tickets. Also ticket fees here have doubled in cost in the past few years.What state do you live in?California.
Quote from: Nuka on October 01, 2014, 11:58:09 PMQuote from: Kinder_ on October 01, 2014, 11:47:21 PMQuote from: Nuka on October 01, 2014, 11:14:25 PM'muricaHe was probably just trying to reach his quota.Quotas are illegal. That's a public misconceptionThe cops in my town have quotas because the state is in massive debt. Cops literally just wait around to pull over just about anyone because they're desperate to write people tickets. Also ticket fees here have doubled in cost in the past few years.What state do you live in?
Quote from: Kinder_ on October 01, 2014, 11:47:21 PMQuote from: Nuka on October 01, 2014, 11:14:25 PM'muricaHe was probably just trying to reach his quota.Quotas are illegal. That's a public misconceptionThe cops in my town have quotas because the state is in massive debt. Cops literally just wait around to pull over just about anyone because they're desperate to write people tickets. Also ticket fees here have doubled in cost in the past few years.
Quote from: Nuka on October 01, 2014, 11:14:25 PM'muricaHe was probably just trying to reach his quota.Quotas are illegal. That's a public misconception
'muricaHe was probably just trying to reach his quota.
While I think law enforcement is generally great, I don't like the broadness of "reasonable suspicion" to allow police officers to stop and search me.It really puts it down the the officer, and while I'm sure there are countless good ones upholding the law, there are bound to be biased assholes who will stop certain looking people and can then pull the "reasonable suspicion" card out like it was going out of style.In the UK which is apparently a better law enforcement group than the US, still S&S's black people 3 times as many white people S&S'd, and in certain areas of London it was 26 times more likely. Granted, that could be because of the demographics and history of said area, but I don't believe it would make it that more likely. That alone makes me wary, even as a white person.
Probable cause is put down to the officer also. Reasonable suspicion is it sounds like: A suspicion that is reasonable. This includes running from cops, a person stalking around and looking in cars with tools, passing off baggies, drinking an unidentifiable substance in a paper bag, and other things. That all falls under reasonable suspicion. It's reasonable to think a person is trying to breaki into cars by stalking around with tools. It's reasonable to think a person is drinking alcohol in public when it's being consumed from a brown paper bag
Quote from: Kinder_ on October 02, 2014, 03:35:06 PMProbable cause is put down to the officer also. Reasonable suspicion is it sounds like: A suspicion that is reasonable. This includes running from cops, a person stalking around and looking in cars with tools, passing off baggies, drinking an unidentifiable substance in a paper bag, and other things. That all falls under reasonable suspicion. It's reasonable to think a person is trying to breaki into cars by stalking around with tools. It's reasonable to think a person is drinking alcohol in public when it's being consumed from a brown paper bagDefine stalking. Could be a small-time handyman looking for the house he's supposed to be working on/in.Hell, I've been told I can be inadvertently "stalkery" when I'm looking for something, and I've never committed a serious crime in my life.It's more that the police officer can just claim some BS if they want to and search you regardless if they like. In any case, as a civilian how do you argue with authority? You can't just say no, that's suspicious, in itself warranting a search, or as far as resisting arrest "on suspicion of x crime"
Officer's can claim BS excuses because that's not how the law works. It would immediately be thrown out and the officers be disciplined. Cops are not unintelligent people, they know well enough what constitutes as being probable cause and reasonable suspicion
No. I live in Canada
Quote from: Daniel Fortesque on October 01, 2014, 11:30:20 PMHe also asked me where I was headed, what I do for a living and what I want to be when I grow up. Seems strange to me.What color are your pantsu?
He also asked me where I was headed, what I do for a living and what I want to be when I grow up. Seems strange to me.
Got pulled over by a cop tonight
