As an antinatalist, and one that acknowledges that extinction is probably the only way to ensure that those living now don't reproduce, do you ever fear of new life springing forth after humans and putting themselves in the same dilemma? I suppose this depends on your idea of how the universe works, because if stuff like quantum tunneling or whatever proves valid, then even heat death doesn't prevent the development of new life.

If in that case it were inevitable that life will reemerge, do you think we ought to oblige ourselves, those that are alive now, to actively nip it in the bud? Yes, as of right now we are doing an immense injustice by continuing to breed, but if it means reaching a technological level that we can start to prevent the emergence of intelligent life anywhere, is it not a sacrifice made for the greater good? Hopefully with AI and longer life spans we can reduce the number of people we involuntarily martyr to that end.

At least that's the point my BF made that I couldn't really answer. I'm not sure it's possible for anything to survive heat death, or the event that creates a universe after it. I like to think rather that the system naturally takes care of itself, intelligence develops to the point it realizes its existence only is so to perpetuate itself, and then the intelligence promptly ends itself. I suppose this allows for a lot more suffering than active intervention though, because as far as we can tell, animals will spend magnitudes more generations living in the natural state and only just once it achieves the safety and pleasure of modern society will they rectify the situation.

And on another note, do you think killing someone you are certain is going to reproduce in great numbers (and thus creates a lineage that gets exponentially larger), even if it causes misery to those immediately around them is morally justified because it essentially prevents the creation of entire generations? (I recognize that other families will fill the "gap" created to some degree, but it goes without saying that if Genghis Khan was replaced with a non-sex-addict leader of equal brutality and efficiency, that the world would look entirely different on a social geographic scale)

Describe

your

first

CRUSH


.....please?

Quote from: True Turquoise on September 25, 2015, 10:49:33 PM

Describe

your

first

CRUSH


.....please?

she had a cute pair of shoulders.

Quote from: eggsalad on September 25, 2015, 10:42:50 PM

As an antinatalist, and one that acknowledges that extinction is probably the only way to ensure that those living now don't reproduce, do you ever fear of new life springing forth after humans and putting themselves in the same dilemma? I suppose this depends on your idea of how the universe works, because if stuff like quantum tunneling or whatever proves valid, then even heat death doesn't prevent the development of new life.

If in that case it were inevitable that life will reemerge, do you think we ought to oblige ourselves, those that are alive now, to actively nip it in the bud? Yes, as of right now we are doing an immense injustice by continuing to breed, but if it means reaching a technological level that we can start to prevent the emergence of intelligent life anywhere, is it not a sacrifice made for the greater good? Hopefully with AI and longer life spans we can reduce the number of people we involuntarily martyr to that end.

At least that's the point my BF made that I couldn't really answer. I'm not sure it's possible for anything to survive heat death, or the event that creates a universe after it. I like to think rather that the system naturally takes care of itself, intelligence develops to the point it realizes its existence only is so to perpetuate itself, and then the intelligence promptly ends itself. I suppose this allows for a lot more suffering than active intervention though, because as far as we can tell, animals will spend magnitudes more generations living in the natural state and only just once it achieves the safety and pleasure of modern society will they rectify the situation.

And on another note, do you think killing someone you are certain is going to reproduce in great numbers (and thus creates a lineage that gets exponentially larger), even if it causes misery to those immediately around them is morally justified because it essentially prevents the creation of entire generations? (I recognize that other families will fill the "gap" created to some degree, but it goes without saying that if Genghis Khan was replaced with a non-sex-addict leader of equal brutality and efficiency, that the world would look entirely different on a social geographic scale)

christ

tl;dr for the video, plox

I'm not sure it's possible for anything to survive heat death, or the event that creates a universe after it.

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on September 26, 2015, 12:49:41 AM

before you became a vegan, what was your favorite fast food joint

what the fuck

You can't ask yourself shit

one more bump