Quote from: BaconShelf on June 27, 2016, 01:04:37 AMI love how david cameron just won the game of thrones. If his succesor goes forth with A50, his career is fucked. If he doesn't, he's fucked, and if he steps down he's fucked.Well played Cameron.I've actually started thinking the same. With everything going on right now, the longer it takes for the formal withdrawal to be made, the less likely it is Brexit will actually happen. Labour failing, Tories splitting internally and a lot of (parliamentary) opposition against formally concluding the withdrawal... Cameron's resignation might turn out to be an amazing tactical call.
I love how david cameron just won the game of thrones. If his succesor goes forth with A50, his career is fucked. If he doesn't, he's fucked, and if he steps down he's fucked.Well played Cameron.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on June 26, 2016, 07:13:10 PMThe Brexit movement came from extreme political rhetoric.No it didn't. Where the fuck are you getting this from? Extremist parties in Britain are surprisingly unsuccessful, and have been since WWII. No, UKIP is not an extremist party.
The Brexit movement came from extreme political rhetoric.
Question: leading up to the vote, what were the reasons why the Leavers said it was needed?
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on June 27, 2016, 08:46:53 AMQuestion: leading up to the vote, what were the reasons why the Leavers said it was needed?Sovereignty is the number one issue why people (across parties) voted Leave, with immigration being second (again, across parties). And this was broadly reflected in Vote Leave, especially by Michael Gove. The rhetoric surrounding the campaign has been defined by both populism and fear-mongering; but extremism? No. Not even from Nigel Farage because, as I said, extremism is distinctly unpopular here.
I'm gonna take a stab in the dark and guess it was Middle Eastern immigrants that were shown and talked about?
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on June 27, 2016, 10:12:07 AMI'm gonna take a stab in the dark and guess it was Middle Eastern immigrants that were shown and talked about?UKIP capitalised on the refugee crisis somewhat. But no. Why would Middle Eastern immigration be an issue in a vote on the European Union, except for the ignorant voters who don't pay attention to anything and sit their grumbling.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on June 27, 2016, 10:22:23 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on June 27, 2016, 10:12:07 AMI'm gonna take a stab in the dark and guess it was Middle Eastern immigrants that were shown and talked about?UKIP capitalised on the refugee crisis somewhat. But no. Why would Middle Eastern immigration be an issue in a vote on the European Union, except for the ignorant voters who don't pay attention to anything and sit their grumbling.So, ignorant people didn't vote?
except for the ignorant voters who don't pay attention to anything and sit their grumbling.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on June 27, 2016, 11:36:32 AMQuote from: Meta Cognition on June 27, 2016, 10:22:23 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on June 27, 2016, 10:12:07 AMI'm gonna take a stab in the dark and guess it was Middle Eastern immigrants that were shown and talked about?UKIP capitalised on the refugee crisis somewhat. But no. Why would Middle Eastern immigration be an issue in a vote on the European Union, except for the ignorant voters who don't pay attention to anything and sit their grumbling.So, ignorant people didn't vote?Quoteexcept for the ignorant voters who don't pay attention to anything and sit their grumbling.Are you reading what I'm writing?
The rhetoric was aimed at the ignorant. Informed people had legitimate reasons on both sides. The Leave party used incendiary language to get a result they wanted. A referendum to leave the EU. that's all I am saying here.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on June 27, 2016, 02:56:10 PMThe rhetoric was aimed at the ignorant. Informed people had legitimate reasons on both sides. The Leave party used incendiary language to get a result they wanted. A referendum to leave the EU. that's all I am saying here.Well I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that, but I still take umbrage at your characterisation that the rhetoric was "extreme". It was certainly incendiary, on both sides, because of how divisive the issue is. But rhetoric aimed at the ignorant is par the course for pretty much any electoral event in any democracy.
I'm not sure what happened
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on June 27, 2016, 03:37:24 PMI'm not sure what happenedOne guy asked a question on this programme we have here that was very telling. He said something to the effect of: "The peasants have revolted against the aristocracy. After decades of the establishment ignoring ordinary people, how does it feel to be punched in the nose?"
Quote from: Meta Cognition on June 27, 2016, 03:47:41 PMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on June 27, 2016, 03:37:24 PMI'm not sure what happenedOne guy asked a question on this programme we have here that was very telling. He said something to the effect of: "The peasants have revolted against the aristocracy. After decades of the establishment ignoring ordinary people, how does it feel to be punched in the nose?"Problem I have is that they are revolting but no one wants to accept the issues and want to blame someone else. The failure of the economy is the immigrants fault.The banks are evil and London is greedy. When in reality the issue are quite different. Politics over governance has become the game. People are willing to do anything to win as well as lie and stoke the fires not knowing that they may end up sitting on a throne of ashes and the kingdom they were aiming for not in sight. Sent from my ONE A2005 using Tapatalk