For the ones here who listen to Tool

Verbatim · December 11, 2014, 04:10:28 PM

I don't think in genres. Because I think that's fucking idiotic.

Music is music. I don't care WHAT it is, as long as it sounds good.
It also helps to have an intelligent message, but that has little to do with genre.

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Genre's should not affect what you like, but are a great way to sorta make guesses as to what you would like or wouldn't.

"Genres shouldn't affect what you like, but they should affect what you like."

k

DAS B00T x2 · December 11, 2014, 04:13:08 PM

Genres are important, Verb. How else could I talk shit about every metalcore band at once?

Nexus · December 11, 2014, 04:13:12 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 11, 2014, 04:10:28 PM

I don't think in genres. Because I think that's fucking idiotic.

Music is music. I don't care WHAT it is, as long as it sounds good.
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Genre's should not affect what you like, but are a great way to sorta make guesses as to what you would like or wouldn't.
"Genres shouldn't affect what you like, but they should affect what you like."

k

Okay, I guess I should elaborate. You shouldn't just not like something because of a genre it is, but genres can help you make educated guesses about what you could like.

But go ahead, be a nigger.

Verbatim · December 11, 2014, 04:15:27 PM

Quote from: Nexus the Star Lord Guy on December 11, 2014, 04:13:12 PM

You shouldn't just not like something because of a genre it is

even if i cared about genres, this is just stupid

if i dislike everything about what makes up a particular genre
i could say with confidence that i hate the entire genre

i do this with video games, not music, but still

Verbatim · December 11, 2014, 04:18:48 PM

i am curious, though

if tool isn't metal, what the fuck is?

Nexus · December 11, 2014, 04:19:24 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 11, 2014, 04:15:27 PM

even if i cared about genres,

Well, sadly to say the world doesn't revolve around what you give a shit about. This is literally Dark Souls again.

Nexus · December 11, 2014, 04:19:42 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 11, 2014, 04:18:48 PM

i am curious, though

if tool isn't metal, what the fuck is?

Just progressive rock.

Verbatim · December 11, 2014, 04:20:27 PM

Quote from: Nexus the Star Lord Guy on December 11, 2014, 04:19:24 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 11, 2014, 04:15:27 PM
even if i cared about genres,
Well, sadly to say the world doesn't revolve around what you give a shit about.

lovely irony

the world doesn't revolve around your shitty perception of music, either

if someone called tool "metal"
literally only you would care.

Verbatim · December 11, 2014, 04:21:08 PM

Quote from: Nexus the Star Lord Guy on December 11, 2014, 04:19:42 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 11, 2014, 04:18:48 PM
i am curious, though

if tool isn't metal, what the fuck is?
Just progressive rock.

learn how to read, please

if tool isn't metal

then what bands are considered metal
i guarantee, they'll sound similar in some remote way to tool

Nexus · December 11, 2014, 04:24:57 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 11, 2014, 04:21:08 PM

Quote from: Nexus the Star Lord Guy on December 11, 2014, 04:19:42 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on December 11, 2014, 04:18:48 PM
i am curious, though

if tool isn't metal, what the fuck is?
Just progressive rock.
learn how to read, please

if tool isn't metal

then what bands are considered metal
i guarantee, they'll sound similar in some remote way to tool

Oh, yeah, I read that wrong. My mistake. Only had an hour of sleep. And I don't really listen to Metal, not like on purpose. I just don't really know any bands I really like that are metal.

Verbatim · December 11, 2014, 04:26:34 PM

Quote from: Nexus the Star Lord Guy on December 11, 2014, 04:24:57 PM

And I don't really listen to Metal, not like on purpose. I just don't really know any bands I really like that are metal.

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and that makes you an authority on what metal is.

i am so glad that i wasted my time with you

Jim · December 11, 2014, 04:26:37 PM

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Nexus · December 11, 2014, 04:28:04 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 11, 2014, 04:26:34 PM

Quote from: Nexus the Star Lord Guy on December 11, 2014, 04:24:57 PM
And I don't really listen to Metal, not like on purpose. I just don't really know any bands I really like that are metal.
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and that make you an authority on what metal is.

i am so glad that i wasted my time with you

>Implying I am the only one in the world who said Tool wasn't Metal.

Not particularly liking Metal does not mean I don't know what metal is either way.

Nexus · December 11, 2014, 04:30:52 PM

Also, thanks for helping me make this a hot topic verby dear. It's been fun.

Verbatim · December 11, 2014, 04:32:23 PM

Quote from: Jim Jones the Cult Lord on December 11, 2014, 04:26:37 PM

Tool is not Metal

what's metal

i wanna know what metal is, because i apparently have no idea

Jim · December 11, 2014, 04:32:38 PM

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Verbatim · December 11, 2014, 04:33:06 PM

Quote from: Nexus the Star Lord Guy on December 11, 2014, 04:28:04 PM

Not particularly liking Metal does not mean I don't know what metal is either way.

you should still be able to give me ONE name, if you know what it is

Nexus · December 11, 2014, 04:34:51 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 11, 2014, 04:33:06 PM

Quote from: Nexus the Star Lord Guy on December 11, 2014, 04:28:04 PM
Not particularly liking Metal does not mean I don't know what metal is either way.
you should still be able to give me ONE name, if you know what it is

Iron Maiden is pretty standard Metal.

Jim · December 11, 2014, 04:35:17 PM

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Verbatim · December 11, 2014, 04:36:59 PM

Quote from: Jim Jones the Cult Lord on December 11, 2014, 04:32:38 PM

Tool is not Metal

they all sound like metal to me

you keep talking about what doesn't make metal, but that doesn't help me understand what DOES make metal

because even the "punk" example you gave sounds e x a c t l y like what i thought metal was

Jim · December 11, 2014, 04:38:14 PM

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Verbatim · December 11, 2014, 04:38:39 PM

Quote from: Jim Jones the Cult Lord on December 11, 2014, 04:35:17 PM

I know for a fact that he occasionally listens to Iron Maiden

yeah, and i can't distinguish it aesthetically from any of the music you posted

the fact that they all use different technical stuff--like, what does that have to do with genre

i thought it was ALL about how it sounded, not the composition

aREALgod · December 11, 2014, 04:40:48 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 11, 2014, 04:21:08 PM

Quote from: Nexus the Star Lord Guy on December 11, 2014, 04:19:42 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on December 11, 2014, 04:18:48 PM
i am curious, though

if tool isn't metal, what the fuck is?
Just progressive rock.
learn how to read, please

if tool isn't metal

then what bands are considered metal
i guarantee, they'll sound similar in some remote way to tool

YouTube

Not exactly the same.

Verbatim · December 11, 2014, 04:41:57 PM

when i'm thinking about what kind of music i like, time signatures are the last thing that i think about

Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 11, 2014, 04:40:48 PM

Not exactly the same.

it is to me...

the guitars are louder and faster and the vocalist is growling

that doesn't make any real difference to me... it's just heavier metal

Jim · December 11, 2014, 04:46:34 PM

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Jim · December 11, 2014, 04:47:55 PM

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aREALgod · December 11, 2014, 04:48:12 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 11, 2014, 04:41:57 PM

when i'm thinking about what kind of music i like, time signatures are the last thing that i think about
Quote from: aTALLmidget on December 11, 2014, 04:40:48 PM
Not exactly the same.
it is to me...

the guitars are louder and faster and the vocalist is growling

that doesn't make any real difference to me... it's just heavier metal

Except Tool isn't metal... I don't know how you're not able to discern the differences. Maybe it's just a thing musicians can do that the peasant rabble can't.

Jim · December 11, 2014, 04:49:18 PM

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DAS B00T x2 · December 11, 2014, 04:49:46 PM

I usually just write off Jim's ramblings as /mu/ elitist douchebaggary, but he actually mostly knows what he's talking about here.

Verbatim · December 11, 2014, 04:50:33 PM

Quote from: Jim Jones the Cult Lord on December 11, 2014, 04:46:34 PM

I don't care what YOU think because the MAJORITY thinks you are wrong.

the majority of people are religious
arguments from majority mean nothing to me, and i refuse to blindly follow majority

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Metal is something more easily described through the music, but a band like Infest is all about speed, violence, anger, hatred, sloppiness, and politically charged lyrics.

you... you mean like tool?

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Metal is not politically charge most of the time, or if it is it's more subdued. Metal was about creating a thematic idea akin to Horror films and high fantasy. Black Sabbath's self titled song is more or less a horror movie in song form. It is not meant to be fast, angry, or anything. It's just slow, heavy, and evil sounding. Incantation is taking what Black Sabbath did and putting a shitload more distortion on it, using a different vocal style, and making it slightly faster in some places. Incantation is the same idea but more advanced in its development.

so why cant tool be just another one of those subversions of metal

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Tool does not straddle the line, it simply is NOT Metal. Their themes, composition, vocals, instrumentation, etc. do not fit with the Metal framework.

thats all you're doing is saying that they don't

but i see it very plainly