I wish more people would combine violins and classical instruments with rock like this band. Or this, for a more well known band.I love listening to those kind of combinations of intruments you don't really see in most music now. I guess it's because I enjoy listening to soundtracks, so a lot of that kind of stuff has started influencing my taste in 'regular' music, too.
"Exciting" was your word if I remember right; I don't think I ever used that word.It does have a discernable pattern. Example being 1:10-3:42, it's 4/4 and a two bar pattern. Completely regular.You're getting caught up on two things here: taking the whole as a metric, and syncopation.Basically, the piece is a series of smaller pieces, like short stories. Instead of "reading" them individually, you're listening to them like chapters of a novel and being confused by the lack of continuity. They do have continuity-- within their own stories. And there's also the syncopation. Syncopation is basically a note that makes a song off-beat; very popular in funk music. The only reason syncopation should make you unable to bob your head to the beat is if you're reading the time signature incorrectly. I'd recommend following the percussion, and I'd recommend watching something like this YouTubeYou also asked why "freeform" is entertaining. Simply put, changing the time, phrasing, etc to improvise something on the spot is really fun. Both to play and listen to. Think of guitar solos back in the day, like Hendrix. People didn't rehearse that: they just threw a gap down in the song and said, "do what you're feeling at that moment". It's a carry over from jazz music, to break from the standard you've set to display a raw power of emotion that directly relates to who you are and what you feel. No two solos are the same, you get something new every time it happens. That's the beauty of it for the player, and the listener.
Hmm, while I would never download the shite you posted, I wouldn't say there's no pattern. The song seems to be broken up into bits... Some of it reminds me of Tom and Jerry/cartoon transition type tunes
You mentioned guitar solos, but guitar solos are always better when they're planned out. That's why I can't stand artists like Stevie Ray Vaughan--I don't get "feeling" out of their playing. I just get nonsense and long-winded pretentiousness. It's fucking boring. In general, guitar solos have always been my least favorite part of any rock song (even when they're written) simply because I find them extremely grating after awhile. I don't really find them impressive--they're annoying. Get back to playing that catchy riff, please.
It's like you people are asking me to join that music thing and play nothing but african music.
Quote from: Fuddy Duddy II on January 12, 2016, 10:45:21 AMYou mentioned guitar solos, but guitar solos are always better when they're planned out. That's why I can't stand artists like Stevie Ray Vaughan--I don't get "feeling" out of their playing. I just get nonsense and long-winded pretentiousness. It's fucking boring. In general, guitar solos have always been my least favorite part of any rock song (even when they're written) simply because I find them extremely grating after awhile. I don't really find them impressive--they're annoying. Get back to playing that catchy riff, please.This pretty much sums up the contention. There isn't really any middle ground-- if you hate improvisation, then there's no way to get my point across in a way you'll accept.
You didn't give me any valid criticism of Dun other than "it's just random notes" which is a factually incorrect statement, or you say "it's weird/dissonant" which means what? Why does that make it bad?
Let me ask you, are these random notes?YouTubeIf you say yes, I can tell you that you are 100% factually incorrect. This is improvisation.
I like dissonance, but I also like melody and 4/4 metre and open guitar chords and pretty voices. You can always enjoy both.
The love for dissonance and unique music stems from wanting to hear something new. It's not "normal" so it's exciting and mysterious. The songs become like an abstract piece of art, where it's harder to derive meaning from it, so you have to find it yourself.
Why the flying fuck do you like Limp Bizkit? THAT is a band I can't stand. Horrible composition, terrible vocals, awful lyrics, and hell, even obnoxious band members. THAT is true dissonance to me, the kind that is abrasive to my goddamn soul and almost physically hurts me to listen to. Music is largely subjective and if you don't understand bands like Dun, it's very possible you never will.
This is entirely subjective.
I usually prefer solos when they're improvised (well) and not planned out.
YouTubeHear the guitar playing melodic lines in this song?
The bass and drums are constantly improvising as well, just within a tighter structure, until the bass goes into its own solo (which you will recognize from the guitar getting quieter and the bass taking the forefront of the sound). The drums take a solo after the bass.
And here Verb proves my point about how absolutely inarticulate he is when discussing music, so I think I'll just leave it at that.
Improvisation is the purest form of self expression. It's composition in real time, with musicians picking out compositional elements from their emotions immediately, without time to think and revise.
And you say you're better at articulating your opinions better than I am, but I have yet to ever see you write a half decent review of anything
I actually explain things through my understanding of my own emotions and of the technical aspects of musical composition. You are incapable of using either of those tools.
explain to me why you dislike the Night in Tunisia performance I linked you in detail.
Also, explain to me WHY improvisation is "shit" because you have failed to do so.
Experimental music
