Spoiler Evangelion

Ingy · December 10, 2019, 07:27:17 PM

Misato, Rei, and Asuka were all there to fulfill Anno's repressed sexuality when he was a depressed laddie
That's why there was that uncomfortable sexual tension between them and Shinji

That or Anno just wanted to draw some 14 year old tits

Ian · December 10, 2019, 11:12:35 PM

She abandoned Gendo because he treated her like a tool for his own devices and Shinji actually treated her like a person. She's exactly like Kaworu in the sense that they're both aliens that aren't really humans. Granted both of these things took a backseat to other character's development up until the last six episodes or so, but there was buildup for Rei and the show isn't perfect in its pacing.

I will admit that she wasn't really handled all that well, hence why it's hard for people to understand Rei in general. Anno himself never understood her widespread popularity which is why I guess he focused a bit on Asuka more. Even in Rei's own developmental episode there's quite a bit of Asuka in there. He clearly favored her despite some people believing he hates her or something.

Quote from: Ingy on December 10, 2019, 06:24:36 PM

There was no development
At least none that I could understand

....

Rei just have questions build up around her and they never get answered
She just decides to abandon Gendo and go to Shinji because the plot told her to

Ingy · December 10, 2019, 11:34:26 PM

Quote from: Ian on December 10, 2019, 11:12:35 PM

She abandoned Gendo because he treated her like a tool for his own devices and Shinji actually treated her like a person. She's exactly like Kaworu in the sense that they're both aliens that aren't really humans. Granted both of these things took a backseat to other character's development up until the last six episodes or so, but there was buildup for Rei and the show isn't perfect in its pacing.

I will admit that she wasn't really handled all that well, hence why it's hard for people to understand Rei in general. Anno himself never understood her widespread popularity which is why I guess he focused a bit on Asuka more. Even in Rei's own developmental episode there's quite a bit of Asuka in there. He clearly favored her despite some people believing he hates her or something.

Quote from: Ingy on December 10, 2019, 06:24:36 PM
There was no development
At least none that I could understand

....

Rei just have questions build up around her and they never get answered
She just decides to abandon Gendo and go to Shinji because the plot told her to

Nah
She was happy to be used by Gendo
In fact she was going along with his plan until the end when she suddenly decides to be with Shinji instead

She has that poster girl look but not much more than that
Which is disappointing considering how important she is to the story

Ingy · December 10, 2019, 11:35:22 PM

Also what's up with Eva and people making obscenely long analysis about it
I watched a nine minute video on it and people were taking the piss about it being too short

Ian · December 10, 2019, 11:42:46 PM

In the same forum I linked in my previous post, there was another thread (too lazy to find) discussing a situation in episode 12 involving Asuka taking a shower when Shinji's friends come to visit and after an exchange of dialogue, someone discovered that Asuka's actions could have implied that she wanted attention/someone peeping on her showering. This was only discovered/brought up for the first time three-four years ago or so despite the show going on 20+ years.

The show simply has a lot of attention to detail and nothing done by the creators feels unintentional (although the Colossus quote backwards in 2.0 was admitted to be an accidental coincidence). Works of art can be discussed indefinitely till the end of time, good luck getting the same discussion value out of 30+ Marvel movies.

Quote from: Ingy on December 10, 2019, 11:35:22 PM

Also what's up with Eva and people making obscenely long analysis about it
I watched a nine minute video on it and people were taking the piss about it being too short

Ásgeirr · December 11, 2019, 10:42:12 AM

why is it that Rei and her likes are 'lesser' characters because they dont talk and emote all the time

isnt this a character type in itself?

Verbatim · December 11, 2019, 10:49:24 AM

Quote from: Ásgeirr on December 11, 2019, 10:42:12 AM

why is it that Rei and her likes are 'lesser' characters because they dont talk and emote all the time

isnt this a character type in itself?

it is, and a valid one, one that i prefer over loudmouth firebrands like asuka

but i think rei's robotic nature is clearly intended to be at least somewhat off-putting

though i don't consider that a bad thing either, i can see how some might, if they don't understand the point

Ingy · December 11, 2019, 11:24:52 AM

Quote from: Ásgeirr on December 11, 2019, 10:42:12 AM

why is it that Rei and her likes are 'lesser' characters because they dont talk and emote all the time

isnt this a character type in itself?

Rei was one of the more interesting characters because of how apathetic she was early on

But they never went anywhere with it
We never learn any more about her and she never learns any more about herself

She just stays cold and aloof the whole series and we never really see more than that

Verbatim · December 11, 2019, 11:28:57 AM

well, you do end up finding out that the reason she's like that is because she's an imperfect clone of gendo's wife

so sure, she doesn't really develop much in the traditional character-building sense, but it's not like the show doesn't provide any justification for that, which i think is its own kind of development

her presence provides a mystery that slowly gets unraveled over the course of the show

i think you might enjoy the rebuilds, actually, because it does sort of improve on these issues you have

Ian · December 11, 2019, 11:32:33 AM

We learn as much as Shinji does which was a huge deal in episode 23 when we learn why she's so aloof. Rei didn't learn anything there because she already knew all that.

And she started growing less cold right from episode 6; there's plenty of heart warming moments of her in EoE too.

Quote from: Ingy on December 11, 2019, 11:24:52 AM

But they never went anywhere with it
We never learn any more about her and she never learns any more about herself

She just stays cold and aloof the whole series and we never really see more than that

Verbatim · December 11, 2019, 11:39:49 AM

the only thing i wish they expanded on a teensy bit more, as far as Rei goes, is her vegetarianism

when she mentioned how she dislikes meat in that one episode, it's one of the few times pre-climax where she actually states an opinion about something, as innocuous as it may seem

it also made me like her more as a character for obvious reasons

Spoiler

they do end up expanding on this a bit in the rebuilds, which is probably my favorite thing about them

Ingy · December 11, 2019, 11:47:05 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 11, 2019, 11:39:49 AM

the only thing i wish they expanded on a teensy bit more, as far as Rei goes, is her vegetarianism

when she mentioned how she dislikes meat in that one episode, it's one of the few times pre-climax where she actually states an opinion about something, as innocuous as it may seem

it also made me like her more as a character for obvious reasons

Spoiler
they do end up expanding on this a bit in the rebuilds, which is probably my favorite thing about them

Garlic ramen, yummy yummy

Ingy · December 11, 2019, 11:47:35 AM

Where can I watch these rebuilds
And what are they, reboots?

Verbatim · December 11, 2019, 11:59:33 AM

Quote from: Ingy on December 11, 2019, 11:47:35 AM

Where can I watch these rebuilds
And what are they, reboots?

starts out like an HD remaster of the show, but then goes in a completely different direction by the second movie while attempting to explore the same general themes

it's like if anno took his meds for the first two, but the third one goes near-EoE levels of fucking insane

the fourth and final one is coming out in 2020

i watch everything on kissanime because i'm a sick animal

Ingy · December 11, 2019, 12:00:59 PM

Evangelion 3.14: You can (not) understand Japanese naming conventions

Ian · December 11, 2019, 04:17:09 PM

If you're talking about the titles of the new movies, yeah they're kinda convoluted for no real good reason.

The Japanese titles for the films are "Prelude" for the first, "Break" for the second, and "Q"/"Quicken" for the third. It's supposed to follow the Jo-Ha-Kyu format of a typical Japanese art piece. The fourth film having the musical notation for End/Repeat.

For the international titles, that's where they add all the numbers and shit, with the subtitle being a general overall theme for the movie. 1.0, 2.0, and 3.0 are the theatrical cuts released in Japanese theaters; there's no way to get your hands on them and are probably locked away in a vault by Studio Khara. What everyone watches is the 1.11, 2.22, and 3.33 DVD/BD version of the films. These are the finalized version that contain scene adjustments, animation corrections, and in the case of the first two films, some small amounts of new footage.

There is another version of the first film titled 1.01 but this is an inferior version and only die hard collectors would want it....so it makes sense that I'd have a copy of 1.01 AND two copies of 1.11.

My Eva collection

Quote from: Ingy on December 11, 2019, 12:00:59 PM

Evangelion 3.14: You can (not) understand Japanese naming conventions