Keep in mind that my very first post in this discussion was saying that Ecstasy turns into a retard. I don't think I've ever managed to say anything positive about the drug this entire conversation, and yet you insist that I would even consider doing it. Fuck that noise, Verb; that's what is pissing me off right now. I haven't even done anything and you're berating me.
I don't know if you're just at a high tension right now between the events of last night and early this morning, but you need to calm the fuck down and realize that not everybody is snorting cocaine behind your back.
And don't even try to backtrack by saying "you smoked pot though", that wasn't my point of contention.
That's because I'm wrong whenever I do so, and I'd hate to be wrong about saying, "I'll never smoke meth."
Call me irrational, but when people use words like "never", and has a good track record of being honest, I can't help but take that literally.
I'm glad I don't have that problem. It's not that I can see the future--it's that I'm determined.
Like a married couple
Quote from: True Turquoise on October 02, 2015, 11:08:20 AMLike a married coupleIf that was the case, then Verb is a bigamist.
I don't believe life can be lived to a decent degree of thrill, excitement, and happiness without dabbling in some questionable or risky activities here and there. Of course, that isn't to say I condone usage of hard drugs like coke, heroine, or any of that shit, but smoking weed, drinking, or taking a shroom every now and then isn't going to do anything particularly harmful (There seems to be a surprisingly large number of people in this thread misinformed about the neurological consequences of psilocybin- There really aren't any). I don't consider any one of these activities particularly stupid in their own right, it's generally a matter of the company and environment that they're combined with. Risk something no activity is truly free of. There are always chances of horrendous consequences in any sort of action you decide to take. The important aspect of living freely and with a bit of room for "Experiencing" what the world has to offer is accounting for the variables that could lead to a bad outcome, and making a judgement. Regarding weed... I can't think of many things that could go wrong in my case. I smoke maybe once every two or three weeks, and it's always in the company of other people, generally in a secluded dorm room with no greater chance of injury than if we weren't high to begin with. Partaking in these sorts of things is always paired with the chance of a nasty consequence, but that chance is very minimal. The situational capacity for a wrong turn is the same if I go on a roller coaster, go skydiving, or even take a trip down the road to buy a salad. But through self-limitation, responsible company, and infrequency, there's really nothing to be afraid of. I understand Verb's very cut-and-dry argument of "It's stupid, you shouldn't do it," but thinking that philosophy through, it's applicable to practically anything. I don't want to live my life in a box made of industrial steel.
"Muh opinion is fact, yours is wrong and stupid."Not exactly a convincing argument.
while it may be true for some people that only doing one of the drugs you listed once is okay, there are plenty of others who have fucked themselves by just doing them once. wanna know why?
on the other hand, cannabis, psyilocybin mushrooms, LSD, and other similar drugs aren't explicitly addictive
Quote from: DietrichSix on October 02, 2015, 11:15:49 AM"Muh opinion is fact, yours is wrong and stupid."Not exactly a convincing argument.there's a lot more of that around here, so i'd get used to it if i were you :/
Quote from: DietrichSix on October 02, 2015, 11:15:49 AM"Muh opinion is fact, yours is wrong and stupid."Not exactly a convincing argument.I don't think anyone has said anything like this yet. This discussion isn't really a matter of opinion anyway.
It most definitely is. Calling something stupid because you don't agree with it is childish.
Quote from: 🍄Tryptameme🍄 on October 02, 2015, 10:44:34 AMwhile it may be true for some people that only doing one of the drugs you listed once is okay, there are plenty of others who have fucked themselves by just doing them once. wanna know why?You don't need to tell me--I know very well. I'm simply making fun of dumb stoner logic that I hear constantly.I'm glad that you don't happen to subscribe to it.Quoteon the other hand, cannabis, psyilocybin mushrooms, LSD, and other similar drugs aren't explicitly addictive I've stated a couple times already that whether or not a drug is addictive is of no real concern of mine.Are you going to respond to the post you said you were going to respond to, or have you forgotten?I'll link you to it if you have.
hmm i actually completely forgot about that... i guess now would be a good time for me to respond before i go out again
I'm bringing this post to the forefront.Quote from: Cindo on October 02, 2015, 01:37:27 AMDrugs - yes, even "hard" ones - are pretty much all fine in moderation. Personally I believe that you should be able to put into yourself whatever you wish so long as you're only endangering yourself and others, though I personally wouldn't be shooting up krokodil every sunday evening or snorting five lines of cocaine before my breakfast.You're contradicting yourself. Under your logic, there's no logical reason for you not to snort cocaine, in "moderation". That's an irrational aversion, according to your logic.I really loathe the moderation argument because you're forgetting an important part of it--it's not just "everything in moderation"--it's everything in moderation, including moderation. That means there really are some things that you should never try. And I would argue that drugs are one of those things.Constant sobriety should be among your top priorities in life.You have to explain why occasional drug use is okay, or... I'll never understand why it's okay. You can act like I'm never gonna listen, because you can't just let the old me die, but I'm listening.So, tell me, why is it that being straight-edge is so much worse than doing your precious drugs?Why is sobriety not good enough for you?
Drugs - yes, even "hard" ones - are pretty much all fine in moderation. Personally I believe that you should be able to put into yourself whatever you wish so long as you're only endangering yourself and others, though I personally wouldn't be shooting up krokodil every sunday evening or snorting five lines of cocaine before my breakfast.
I'm not trying to take away your right to do what you like to do. I'm just trying to explain to you why what you're doing is stupid, and I'm asking you why it isn't stupid. Just because you aren't dead or hospitalized the next morning after a night of doing drugs doesn't make taking that risk okay.
Quote from: DietrichSix on October 02, 2015, 11:53:18 AMIt most definitely is. Calling something stupid because you don't agree with it is childish.I'm not calling it stupid because I don't "agree" with it, though. Recreational drug use has qualities that can be objectively described as unintelligent behavior. In fact, many things can be described as unintelligent behavior. There's nothing childish about it.
It's actually a sign of intelligence and curiosity to experiment with drugs.
Just because something can be dangerous doesn't inherently make it unintelligent. That's still your opinion, nothing objective about it.
Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 12:47:45 PMIt's actually a sign of intelligence and curiosity to experiment with drugs.I'm sure that's what a lot of junkies tell themselves.
Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 02, 2015, 12:48:34 PMQuote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 12:47:45 PMIt's actually a sign of intelligence and curiosity to experiment with drugs.I'm sure that's what a lot of junkies tell themselves.Lol man, are you really so insecure that you have to attack others for the way they choose to live their lives? First hating people because they watch a certain type of TV, now this shit.Grow up.
Okay?
Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 12:52:42 PMOkay?I also don't hate anyone for watching TV. I have no idea where you got that from. Did you really get THAT ass-fucked over me saying that Community was a shitty show? And I need to grow up? Jeez.
Quote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 12:51:22 PMQuote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 02, 2015, 12:48:34 PMQuote from: Carsonogen on October 02, 2015, 12:47:45 PMIt's actually a sign of intelligence and curiosity to experiment with drugs.I'm sure that's what a lot of junkies tell themselves.Lol man, are you really so insecure that you have to attack others for the way they choose to live their lives? First hating people because they watch a certain type of TV, now this shit.Grow up.It's actually a sign of intelligence and curiosity to experiment with judging people.
Drugs n stuff
