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sorry, how am i the wall here

i'm asking honest questions and cindy refuses to answer

she's the wall, if anything
I'll just quote Prime

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You aren't an agreeable person.

But like you've said, you aren't an angry person; you're just drowning in a perpetual self-inflicted pity party and constantly drunk on your own over-enflated ego. And what do you do whenever you realize that? You apologize to everyone and start the shitcycle all over again. You are just one long string of fuck-ups and apologizes, cunt.
Only, i'm not insulting you or anything so uhh, don't get mad at me :(


 
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sorry, how am i the wall here

i'm asking honest questions and cindy refuses to answer

she's the wall, if anything
Kind of like how you did with me back at page 8, right?
because you can't even speak fucking english


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I think Cindo and Verb should agree to disagree and refer to the long wall a few pages back about Verb and his argument flaws.
wheres the fun in that, debates are healthy
Key words are DEBATES. This is more a person against a wall.
And who is that?
Verby when it comes to a few key things I've noticed.

Not that I mind or anything, just some do more than others.
He's against the wall?


He's standing on some good points right now.
He's not against the wall, he is a wall.

Verb is absolutely, nearly 100% unshaking in his viewpoints and considers anything brought up against them to be "irrelevant" or "not good enough" so there's not much of a point in trying to change them.

I've brought up a number of points in favor of my side and pretty much every single one of them is crossed out with the aforementioned points.

Meanwhile my only point against him is that it's a silly way to see the world and try to force it on others, though naturally mixed in with the whole "he literally wished death upon me in a fit of pure rage when he found out I did drugs" thing. If it was just himself saying, "I personally do not subscribe to the usage of drugs because I believe X, Y, and Z" then that would be one thing. Instead, it's, "literally anyone doing drugs is an idiot and putting their life and body at risk just to do something fun and nobody should be allowed to do them because I believe X, Y, and Z."


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I hope the weather is gonna be nice.

I should go to the toilet.

Anyone wanna go to plug.dj?


 
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Well it doesn't really matter if it's not black and white in your eyes. Some things are actually just black and white, trying to take some sort of false high ground on those issues and say "WELL EVERYTHING IS JUST SHADES OF GREY" is just asinine.

If you're going to do something dumb because you enjoy it own up to it and admit that what you're doing is fucking stupid. Don't try to pass it off as something that is or should be acceptable.
So you're saying people who say weed is bad and should be ashamed of themselves, are in the right? Because something like weed is factually less harmful for you than the 24th Budweiser commercial advertised during Sunday football games.

As for the other ones like shrooms or acid, comparing them to something like crack/cocaine or heroine is just being uneducated about what it does to the body. It's not GOOD, but it's not a demonizing thing. It's not murder. The people who treat it like that or demonize someone for simply trying it in their curious youth, is ridiculous in my eyes.

First off we're talking about hard drugs so weed is irrelevant.

Second off I said nothing about shame. I said that what they're doing is stupid and they should own up to it the fact that what they're doing is fucking stupid. Sure, you can be curious but that doesn't mean you can't be stupid with your curiosity. If you don't want people to call you stupid then maybe you shouldn't be doing something stupid.
Nigga do you just classify anything other than weed and, like, over-the-counter shit to be "hard drugs"?

Nigga is that sentence even relevant to what I'm saying? You're trying to dodge this by dancing around with classifications instead of taking on the point I'm making.
I'm really not.

You're saying that "weed is irrelevant since we're talking about hard drugs," but grouping everything stronger than it into "hard drugs" is just silly. Like I said, there are plenty of differences in how "hard" the types of things I've mentioned are and the types of things I've used as examples of "hard drugs" are such as cocaine and heroin.

Dabs, for example, is just concentrated THC. Same shit that's in marijuana.

That's nice.

Now would you like to try to take on my point about how if you're doing something stupid (like hard drugs) you should own up to it and not try to pass it off as something that is or should be acceptable?

Cause you've kind of been dodging it.


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sorry, how am i the wall here

i'm asking honest questions and cindy refuses to answer

she's the wall, if anything
Kind of like how you did with me back at page 8, right?
because you can't even speak fucking english
What reply of mine was it that made you think of that?


 
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Verb is absolutely, nearly 100% unshaking in his viewpoints
cindy, we haven't spoken in awhile

you realize

need i go over the laundry list of things that have changed about me over the last two or so years

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I've brought up a number of points in favor of my side and pretty much every single one of them is crossed out with the aforementioned points.
why am i not allowed to make counterarguments, cindy

why can't i have an honest discussion with you

damn, you're such a brick wall

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Meanwhile my only point against him is that it's a silly way to see the world and try to force it on others, though naturally mixed in with the whole "he literally wished death upon me in a fit of pure rage when he found out I did drugs" thing. If it was just himself saying, "I personally do not subscribe to the usage of drugs because I believe X, Y, and Z" then that would be one thing. Instead, it's, "literally anyone doing drugs is an idiot and putting their life and body at risk just to do something fun and nobody should be allowed to do them because I believe X, Y, and Z."
Spoiler

you are in the yellow
that's not good

i'm sorry i hurt your feelings, but that's in the past, tbh


 
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she's a BRICK

dun dun na nuhhhh na

HOUSE!



okay, going to play games now


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Well it doesn't really matter if it's not black and white in your eyes. Some things are actually just black and white, trying to take some sort of false high ground on those issues and say "WELL EVERYTHING IS JUST SHADES OF GREY" is just asinine.

If you're going to do something dumb because you enjoy it own up to it and admit that what you're doing is fucking stupid. Don't try to pass it off as something that is or should be acceptable.
So you're saying people who say weed is bad and should be ashamed of themselves, are in the right? Because something like weed is factually less harmful for you than the 24th Budweiser commercial advertised during Sunday football games.

As for the other ones like shrooms or acid, comparing them to something like crack/cocaine or heroine is just being uneducated about what it does to the body. It's not GOOD, but it's not a demonizing thing. It's not murder. The people who treat it like that or demonize someone for simply trying it in their curious youth, is ridiculous in my eyes.

First off we're talking about hard drugs so weed is irrelevant.

Second off I said nothing about shame. I said that what they're doing is stupid and they should own up to it the fact that what they're doing is fucking stupid. Sure, you can be curious but that doesn't mean you can't be stupid with your curiosity. If you don't want people to call you stupid then maybe you shouldn't be doing something stupid.
Nigga do you just classify anything other than weed and, like, over-the-counter shit to be "hard drugs"?

Nigga is that sentence even relevant to what I'm saying? You're trying to dodge this by dancing around with classifications instead of taking on the point I'm making.
I'm really not.

You're saying that "weed is irrelevant since we're talking about hard drugs," but grouping everything stronger than it into "hard drugs" is just silly. Like I said, there are plenty of differences in how "hard" the types of things I've mentioned are and the types of things I've used as examples of "hard drugs" are such as cocaine and heroin.

Dabs, for example, is just concentrated THC. Same shit that's in marijuana.

That's nice.

Now would you like to try to take on my point about how if you're doing something stupid (like hard drugs) you should own up to it and not try to pass it off as something that is or should be acceptable?

Cause you've kind of been dodging it.
Right, I have.

Probably because it's a fucking loaded question that has no point in me answering it because doing "hard drugs" as you apparently call anything stronger than marijuana is neither stupid nor unacceptable.

It's like saying, "Now would you like to try to take on my point about how if you're doing something evil and murderous (like abortion) you should own up to it and not try to pass it off as something that is or should be acceptable?"

So no, I shan't be answering the question because I've no need to "justify" why I've done it just because you think that it must be an incredibly stupid and dangerous thing.


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The healthy man does not torture others - generally it is the tortured who turn into torturers.
Think it just needs to be dropped to be honest.


 
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Meanwhile my only point against him is that it's a silly way to see the world and try to force it on others
that's not even a point, though

that's just your personal appraisal of my life philosophy, and i don't really give it much credence, because you've given zero reason for it, beyond "it doesn't coalesce with my own"


 
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Think it just needs to be dropped to be honest.
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There's no escaping this bloodfest.

I WANT ANSWERS, VERBATIM.


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The healthy man does not torture others - generally it is the tortured who turn into torturers.


 
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So no, I shan't be answering the question because I've no need to "justify" why I've done it just because you think that it must be an incredibly stupid and dangerous thing.
you seem incredibly insecure about it


 
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I don't even know what mistakes I'm making, and now that I'm trying to better myself I get no outside perspective.

I am not satisfied.


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Meanwhile my only point against him is that it's a silly way to see the world and try to force it on others
that's not even a point, though

that's just your personal appraisal of my life philosophy, and i don't really give it much credence, because you've given zero reason for it, beyond "it doesn't coalesce with my own"
Well...that's the same for you.

Drugs - yes, even "hard" ones - are pretty much all fine in moderation. Personally I believe that you should be able to put into yourself whatever you wish so long as you're only endangering yourself and others, though I personally wouldn't be shooting up krokodil every sunday evening or snorting five lines of cocaine before my breakfast.

I would, however, use some of the lesser substances safely and in moderation as I do now. You and LC's argument against this is simply that you think there is no such thing as safety and moderation in anything remotely intoxicating in this regard and refuse to accept my arguments to the contrary. I'm sorry that you find me pointing this out to be "in the yellow" on the lovely fallacy fallacy pyramid, but it's all I can do at this point.

When the answer to my explanations on my point is simply, "but no that's wrong," then there's nothing further I can do to continue explaining them.


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I don't get it


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Anyways, I'll probably respond to followups tomorrow.

Maybe, iunno. Depends how adventurous I feel.

Class in eight hours, lads. Gotta get some sleep.


 
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Okay this thread bores me, i'm off to games

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Well you see it doesn't really matter if you personally don't think that it's not stupid and dangerous, because well it kind of is objectively. Your personal opinion doesn't play into it at all.

Now something like abortion is a grey area because then we start getting into questions like, "What do we consider to be a human life?".


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I don't get it
My boredom of the subject, thus Butt genie


 
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You can't leave the same time I do, now it seems planned >:I

what the HELL, CINDO!!!!!!


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"it's fun" is not a good enough excuse, sorry
Yes it is.


 
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I don't get it
My boredom of the subject, thus Butt genie
I like butts


 
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Drugs - yes, even "hard" ones - are pretty much all fine in moderation. Personally I believe that you should be able to put into yourself whatever you wish so long as you're only endangering yourself and others, though I personally wouldn't be shooting up krokodil every sunday evening or snorting five lines of cocaine before my breakfast.
You're contradicting yourself. Under your logic, there's no logical reason for you not to snort cocaine, in "moderation". That's an irrational aversion, according to your logic.

I really loathe the moderation argument because you're forgetting an important part of it--it's not just "everything in moderation"--it's everything in moderation, including moderation. That means there really are some things that you should never try. And I would argue that drugs are one of those things.

Constant sobriety should be among your top priorities in life.

You have to explain why occasional drug use is okay, or... I'll never understand why it's okay. You can act like I'm never gonna listen, because you can't just let the old me die, but I'm listening.

So, tell me, why is it that being straight-edge is so much worse than doing your precious drugs?
Why is sobriety not good enough for you?

And yes, Cindy, I WILL respond to whatever points you make, because that's how a discussion works.
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When the answer to my explanations on my point is simply, "but no that's wrong," then there's nothing further I can do to continue explaining them.
...Well, if you're wrong, you're wrong, yes?

Personally I believe that you should be able to put into yourself whatever you wish so long as you're only endangering yourself and others
This isn't the argument, by the way. Because I completely agree with you--I want all drugs legalized, because the state shouldn't be able to tell you what you can and can't put into your own body.

But that shouldn't preclude my ability to call people stupid when I see them doing something incredibly stupid.
Like doing drugs.

Stuffing a razor blade into your throat might do something for you psychologically, but if I see someone doing it, I'm gonna call them what they are. Insane and stupid.

I'm not trying to take away your right to do what you like to do. I'm just trying to explain to you why what you're doing is stupid, and I'm asking you why it isn't stupid. Just because you aren't dead or hospitalized the next morning after a night of doing drugs doesn't make taking that risk okay.
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I would split the thread, LC. I don't think Aria cares but do it anyway.


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Are you going to attempt to refute my argument verbutim :^)