Quote from: LC on May 15, 2017, 08:41:41 AMQuote from: golden audrey on May 15, 2017, 06:58:58 AMHonestly the worst thing Super did when retelling the two movies was bring Goku and Beerus's strength up to universal... it's just too big a power boost, and most of my scaling issues now stem from that.the manga didn't do that so just chalk it up to another toei thingUnfortunately Super is different from Z in that the manga doesn't tell the canon story. We really don't know which story we're supposed to accept, and the manga has its own problems, too.
Quote from: golden audrey on May 15, 2017, 06:58:58 AMHonestly the worst thing Super did when retelling the two movies was bring Goku and Beerus's strength up to universal... it's just too big a power boost, and most of my scaling issues now stem from that.the manga didn't do that so just chalk it up to another toei thing
Honestly the worst thing Super did when retelling the two movies was bring Goku and Beerus's strength up to universal... it's just too big a power boost, and most of my scaling issues now stem from that.
Quote from: golden audrey on May 15, 2017, 08:48:18 AMQuote from: LC on May 15, 2017, 08:41:41 AMQuote from: golden audrey on May 15, 2017, 06:58:58 AMHonestly the worst thing Super did when retelling the two movies was bring Goku and Beerus's strength up to universal... it's just too big a power boost, and most of my scaling issues now stem from that.the manga didn't do that so just chalk it up to another toei thingUnfortunately Super is different from Z in that the manga doesn't tell the canon story. We really don't know which story we're supposed to accept, and the manga has its own problems, too.it can be assumed that the manga is closer to toriyamas vision since toriyama is actually overseeing it unlike the anime where he sends off a rough draft and then doesn't even know what they're doing with it until the stuff is actually out half the time.
Quote from: LC on May 15, 2017, 09:23:58 PMQuote from: golden audrey on May 15, 2017, 08:48:18 AMQuote from: LC on May 15, 2017, 08:41:41 AMQuote from: golden audrey on May 15, 2017, 06:58:58 AMHonestly the worst thing Super did when retelling the two movies was bring Goku and Beerus's strength up to universal... it's just too big a power boost, and most of my scaling issues now stem from that.the manga didn't do that so just chalk it up to another toei thingUnfortunately Super is different from Z in that the manga doesn't tell the canon story. We really don't know which story we're supposed to accept, and the manga has its own problems, too.it can be assumed that the manga is closer to toriyamas vision since toriyama is actually overseeing it unlike the anime where he sends off a rough draft and then doesn't even know what they're doing with it until the stuff is actually out half the time.Yeah I know, but it's not as cut-and-dry as it used to be.And like I said, the manga just trades problems with the anime. Stories progress far more organically in the anime, and things like Blue Kaioken and the majority of the Goku Black arc are superior in the show.I'm really into power scaling and unfortunately, the anime version of the characters are stronger, so by default we are always going to use the anime as a basis for power in the future. A lot of my frustration comes from that.
Quote from: golden audrey on May 15, 2017, 09:31:50 PMQuote from: LC on May 15, 2017, 09:23:58 PMQuote from: golden audrey on May 15, 2017, 08:48:18 AMQuote from: LC on May 15, 2017, 08:41:41 AMQuote from: golden audrey on May 15, 2017, 06:58:58 AMHonestly the worst thing Super did when retelling the two movies was bring Goku and Beerus's strength up to universal... it's just too big a power boost, and most of my scaling issues now stem from that.the manga didn't do that so just chalk it up to another toei thingUnfortunately Super is different from Z in that the manga doesn't tell the canon story. We really don't know which story we're supposed to accept, and the manga has its own problems, too.it can be assumed that the manga is closer to toriyamas vision since toriyama is actually overseeing it unlike the anime where he sends off a rough draft and then doesn't even know what they're doing with it until the stuff is actually out half the time.Yeah I know, but it's not as cut-and-dry as it used to be.And like I said, the manga just trades problems with the anime. Stories progress far more organically in the anime, and things like Blue Kaioken and the majority of the Goku Black arc are superior in the show.I'm really into power scaling and unfortunately, the anime version of the characters are stronger, so by default we are always going to use the anime as a basis for power in the future. A lot of my frustration comes from that.yep, toei is really fucking toyotaro in the ass with this deal by only letting him release one chapter a month. if he were allowed to make it a weekly thing the manga would probably flow a lot better. i'm almost convinced that toei is making super inferior to Z on purpose so they can justify a Super Kai later on down the road and double dip on this thing.
Quote from: Big Boss on May 15, 2017, 06:25:43 AMQuote from: Deci on May 14, 2017, 03:46:15 PMNext time on Dragon Ball Z, Verbatim believes that Deci is gonna explode in 20 minutes, but Deci is calling it a bluff. Will there be a show for this crowd to see or will they all be in major hype for nothing?Find out, on the next exciting cringeworthy episode of Dragon Ball Z!Don't bring that shit into my Dragon Ball thread, please.It was just a joke... you people have no sense of humor.
Quote from: Deci on May 14, 2017, 03:46:15 PMNext time on Dragon Ball Z, Verbatim believes that Deci is gonna explode in 20 minutes, but Deci is calling it a bluff. Will there be a show for this crowd to see or will they all be in major hype for nothing?Find out, on the next exciting cringeworthy episode of Dragon Ball Z!Don't bring that shit into my Dragon Ball thread, please.
Next time on Dragon Ball Z, Verbatim believes that Deci is gonna explode in 20 minutes, but Deci is calling it a bluff. Will there be a show for this crowd to see or will they all be in major hype for nothing?Find out, on the next exciting cringeworthy episode of Dragon Ball Z!
Quote from: Madmaxepic on May 15, 2017, 03:46:51 PMQuote from: golden audrey on May 15, 2017, 08:45:04 AMBasically we need to get Toei to invest more in the animation or give the rights to someone else... Resurrection F made 10 times its budget, there's no excuse here.the animation hasn't been bad since the latest arc started, aside from a few brief in between shots here and thereall the fights have looked greatI'm using a different standard than you.Anything less than what I saw in Dragon Ball Z isn't good enough to me. Yamamuro should be animating far more than he is.All the characters look lanky and characteristically un-Dragon Ball, to me. The fight scenes have been choreographed decently, but we're still a ways away from where I think we should be. Saiyan Beyond God Goku vs. Frieza (Resurrection F) is the standard we should be meeting every time (minus the garbage CGI, but I don't remember if they used that before Blue/Golden showed up).I get that the good animators are more expensive but when you look at how Super's reputation was tarnished early on by how bad the animation was, and look at the profit margins of anything Dragon Ball related, there's no excuse NOT to invest in more skilled animators.Yes, I would agree Super looks good now, but only in comparison to what it started as.Don't tell me it doesn't look off. They look like Rick and Morty characters.
Quote from: golden audrey on May 15, 2017, 08:45:04 AMBasically we need to get Toei to invest more in the animation or give the rights to someone else... Resurrection F made 10 times its budget, there's no excuse here.the animation hasn't been bad since the latest arc started, aside from a few brief in between shots here and thereall the fights have looked great
Basically we need to get Toei to invest more in the animation or give the rights to someone else... Resurrection F made 10 times its budget, there's no excuse here.
Quote from: golden audrey on May 15, 2017, 07:29:35 PMQuote from: Madmaxepic on May 15, 2017, 03:46:51 PMQuote from: golden audrey on May 15, 2017, 08:45:04 AMBasically we need to get Toei to invest more in the animation or give the rights to someone else... Resurrection F made 10 times its budget, there's no excuse here.the animation hasn't been bad since the latest arc started, aside from a few brief in between shots here and thereall the fights have looked greatI'm using a different standard than you.Anything less than what I saw in Dragon Ball Z isn't good enough to me. Yamamuro should be animating far more than he is.All the characters look lanky and characteristically un-Dragon Ball, to me. The fight scenes have been choreographed decently, but we're still a ways away from where I think we should be. Saiyan Beyond God Goku vs. Frieza (Resurrection F) is the standard we should be meeting every time (minus the garbage CGI, but I don't remember if they used that before Blue/Golden showed up).I get that the good animators are more expensive but when you look at how Super's reputation was tarnished early on by how bad the animation was, and look at the profit margins of anything Dragon Ball related, there's no excuse NOT to invest in more skilled animators.Yes, I would agree Super looks good now, but only in comparison to what it started as.Don't tell me it doesn't look off. They look like Rick and Morty characters.dude the random still shots in Z looked worse than that all the time
You'd think a massive franchise like fucking DRAGON BALL would have a better animation budget
Quote from: Spartan on May 17, 2017, 10:05:27 AMcan i transfer my characters pls i dont want to start all over again for the 3rd time
any characters besides zamasu merged and blue vegito?
Quote from: Spartan on May 17, 2017, 10:05:27 AMrelease date for the switch? can i transfer my characters pls i dont want to start all over again for the 3rd timeany characters besides zamasu merged and blue vegito?
Quote from: golden audrey on May 17, 2017, 10:50:32 AMQuote from: Spartan on May 17, 2017, 10:05:27 AMrelease date for the switch? can i transfer my characters pls i dont want to start all over again for the 3rd timeany characters besides zamasu merged and blue vegito?As someone who is going for the platinum you have no idea of the SUFFERING I am going through with starting new characters
the one true God is Doctor Doom and we should all be worshiping him.
Quote from: Madmaxepic on May 16, 2017, 02:54:15 PMQuote from: golden audrey on May 15, 2017, 07:29:35 PMQuote from: Madmaxepic on May 15, 2017, 03:46:51 PMQuote from: golden audrey on May 15, 2017, 08:45:04 AMBasically we need to get Toei to invest more in the animation or give the rights to someone else... Resurrection F made 10 times its budget, there's no excuse here.the animation hasn't been bad since the latest arc started, aside from a few brief in between shots here and thereall the fights have looked greatI'm using a different standard than you.Anything less than what I saw in Dragon Ball Z isn't good enough to me. Yamamuro should be animating far more than he is.All the characters look lanky and characteristically un-Dragon Ball, to me. The fight scenes have been choreographed decently, but we're still a ways away from where I think we should be. Saiyan Beyond God Goku vs. Frieza (Resurrection F) is the standard we should be meeting every time (minus the garbage CGI, but I don't remember if they used that before Blue/Golden showed up).I get that the good animators are more expensive but when you look at how Super's reputation was tarnished early on by how bad the animation was, and look at the profit margins of anything Dragon Ball related, there's no excuse NOT to invest in more skilled animators.Yes, I would agree Super looks good now, but only in comparison to what it started as.Don't tell me it doesn't look off. They look like Rick and Morty characters.dude the random still shots in Z looked worse than that all the timeOkay, great. That has nothing to do with the standard we should be meeting. Those shots didn't meet the standard, either. Dragon Ball is more a cash cow now than it ever has been, and there's no reason we shouldn't have consistently good animation across the board. Like Dragon Ball Z at its best.You guys are just so willing to let Toei abuse your interests. I don't understand it at all. When you give capitalist money sharks like Toei or Konami an inch, they take a fucking mile. Every time.
Quote from: golden audrey on May 16, 2017, 03:14:54 PMQuote from: Madmaxepic on May 16, 2017, 02:54:15 PMQuote from: golden audrey on May 15, 2017, 07:29:35 PMQuote from: Madmaxepic on May 15, 2017, 03:46:51 PMQuote from: golden audrey on May 15, 2017, 08:45:04 AMBasically we need to get Toei to invest more in the animation or give the rights to someone else... Resurrection F made 10 times its budget, there's no excuse here.the animation hasn't been bad since the latest arc started, aside from a few brief in between shots here and thereall the fights have looked greatI'm using a different standard than you.Anything less than what I saw in Dragon Ball Z isn't good enough to me. Yamamuro should be animating far more than he is.All the characters look lanky and characteristically un-Dragon Ball, to me. The fight scenes have been choreographed decently, but we're still a ways away from where I think we should be. Saiyan Beyond God Goku vs. Frieza (Resurrection F) is the standard we should be meeting every time (minus the garbage CGI, but I don't remember if they used that before Blue/Golden showed up).I get that the good animators are more expensive but when you look at how Super's reputation was tarnished early on by how bad the animation was, and look at the profit margins of anything Dragon Ball related, there's no excuse NOT to invest in more skilled animators.Yes, I would agree Super looks good now, but only in comparison to what it started as.Don't tell me it doesn't look off. They look like Rick and Morty characters.dude the random still shots in Z looked worse than that all the timeOkay, great. That has nothing to do with the standard we should be meeting. Those shots didn't meet the standard, either. Dragon Ball is more a cash cow now than it ever has been, and there's no reason we shouldn't have consistently good animation across the board. Like Dragon Ball Z at its best.You guys are just so willing to let Toei abuse your interests. I don't understand it at all. When you give capitalist money sharks like Toei or Konami an inch, they take a fucking mile. Every time.super currently looks good the vast majority of the time. no show looks good 100% of the time. idk what more you want. especially when this is a weekly series, the animation is just never gonna be perfect unless they started doing season breaks.
I'm finally sitting down to watch the Super dub. This should be interesting.
Quote from: golden audrey on May 17, 2017, 05:31:15 PMQuote from: Flee on May 17, 2017, 03:38:13 PMI'm finally sitting down to watch the Super dub. This should be interesting.I enjoyed it, but once you get to, like, episode 14 or so, you should watch the movie Battle of Gods and compare.Alright, I might do that.Also, wasn't Super Saiyan Goku a lot more buff when he fought Frieza than he is now, or am I remembering that wrong?
Quote from: Flee on May 17, 2017, 03:38:13 PMI'm finally sitting down to watch the Super dub. This should be interesting.I enjoyed it, but once you get to, like, episode 14 or so, you should watch the movie Battle of Gods and compare.
Quote from: Flee on May 17, 2017, 05:39:25 PMQuote from: golden audrey on May 17, 2017, 05:31:15 PMQuote from: Flee on May 17, 2017, 03:38:13 PMI'm finally sitting down to watch the Super dub. This should be interesting.I enjoyed it, but once you get to, like, episode 14 or so, you should watch the movie Battle of Gods and compare.Alright, I might do that.Also, wasn't Super Saiyan Goku a lot more buff when he fought Frieza than he is now, or am I remembering that wrong?Yeah, he was. But Super animators (Toyotaro, and even Toriyama) have, for some reason, been drawing their characters more and more slim in recent years. I don't mind the slimness in God form but I miss the buff dudes of old.
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