People keep complaining about the power scaling, so let me explain my point of view a bit.
Basically, SS2 and SS3 are completely redundant forms now. They offer less potential power as well as less control than SSB. So it makes sense that he almost never uses them.
Forms are about control and the max potential/power of a form. Goku's intent isn't to kill his opponent, which is why he's probably avoiding SS2 and SS3 forms. They just have more power than control. It's difficult to show restraint in those forms.
Base form has the most control, but the least power. SS1 is a significant power boost, but has less control than base form. It's a form induced by rage, after all. After training for the Cell Games it's been witnessed that Goku has perfected the form's control.
SS2 and especially SS3 are hard to control. Goku even admitted that in DBZ. It's difficult to have restraint when the entire form is based on rage and aggression.
SSB is all about control, probably about the same level as base form. It doesn't require a high power output like SS2 or SS3 does, while also having higher potential than any other form. He can easily use 1% of his power while SSB. Whereas in SS3 it's probably difficult to throw out less than 50% of the form's max power.
I doubt we'll see Goku use SS2 or SS3 in a fight unless he's intentionally pacing it extremely slow with a strong opponent who is also slowly revealing their power. There's just no reason to, especially since it consumes more energy to be in those forms than in SSB.
If you want to know if Goku's really putting out a large percentage of the form's power, just wait to see if he's out of breath after an attack. Dragon Ball has been really good about that indicator since the beginning.
An analogy for those that still don't grasp the concept:
Let's say you want to throw a ball. You can use your bare arms(base form Goku) and throw it anywhere from 0 to 20 meters. But that's a pretty short throw. So you get a stick to hit the ball(SS1 Goku). Now you can hit the ball from 0 to 50 meters, depending on how hard you hit the ball. Still pretty accurate for short distances, but when hitting it far there's a lot of variances.
But that's still not far enough for you, so you use a good and heavy baseball bat(SS2) and you can hit it 70 meters, but it gets harder to get precise hits if you're aiming for something like 24 meters.
Take it a step further, now you equip a sledge hammer(SS3). With all your force you can hit that ball over 100 meters, but it's nearly impossible for you to get that 24 meter shot and your precision is way off.
And finally, you're sick of being limited, so you design ball-launching artillery(SSB) that lets you calibrate and shoot the ball any distance you want from 0-1000 meters with extremely high accuracy.
DOES THAT MAKE MORE SENSE?

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People keep complaining about the power scaling, so let me explain my point of view a bit.
Basically, SS2 and SS3 are completely redundant forms now. They offer less potential power as well as less control than SSB. So it makes sense that he almost never uses them.
Forms are about control and the max potential/power of a form. Goku's intent isn't to kill his opponent, which is why he's probably avoiding SS2 and SS3 forms. They just have more power than control. It's difficult to show restraint in those forms.
Base form has the most control, but the least power. SS1 is a significant power boost, but has less control than base form. It's a form induced by rage, after all. After training for the Cell Games it's been witnessed that Goku has perfected the form's control.
SS2 and especially SS3 are hard to control. Goku even admitted that in DBZ. It's difficult to have restraint when the entire form is based on rage and aggression.
SSB is all about control, probably about the same level as base form. It doesn't require a high power output like SS2 or SS3 does, while also having higher potential than any other form. He can easily use 1% of his power while SSB. Whereas in SS3 it's probably difficult to throw out less than 50% of the form's max power.
I doubt we'll see Goku use SS2 or SS3 in a fight unless he's intentionally pacing it extremely slow with a strong opponent who is also slowly revealing their power. There's just no reason to, especially since it consumes more energy to be in those forms than in SSB.
If you want to know if Goku's really putting out a large percentage of the form's power, just wait to see if he's out of breath after an attack. Dragon Ball has been really good about that indicator since the beginning.
An analogy for those that still don't grasp the concept:
Let's say you want to throw a ball. You can use your bare arms(base form Goku) and throw it anywhere from 0 to 20 meters. But that's a pretty short throw. So you get a stick to hit the ball(SS1 Goku). Now you can hit the ball from 0 to 50 meters, depending on how hard you hit the ball. Still pretty accurate for short distances, but when hitting it far there's a lot of variances.
But that's still not far enough for you, so you use a good and heavy baseball bat(SS2) and you can hit it 70 meters, but it gets harder to get precise hits if you're aiming for something like 24 meters.
Take it a step further, now you equip a sledge hammer(SS3). With all your force you can hit that ball over 100 meters, but it's nearly impossible for you to get that 24 meter shot and your precision is way off.
And finally, you're sick of being limited, so you design ball-launching artillery(SSB) that lets you calibrate and shoot the ball any distance you want from 0-1000 meters with extremely high accuracy.
DOES THAT MAKE MORE SENSE?

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People keep complaining about the power scaling, so let me explain my point of view a bit.
Basically, SS2 and SS3 are completely redundant forms now. They offer less potential power as well as less control than SSB. So it makes sense that he almost never uses them.
Forms are about control and the max potential/power of a form. Goku's intent isn't to kill his opponent, which is why he's probably avoiding SS2 and SS3 forms. They just have more power than control. It's difficult to show restraint in those forms.
Base form has the most control, but the least power. SS1 is a significant power boost, but has less control than base form. It's a form induced by rage, after all. After training for the Cell Games it's been witnessed that Goku has perfected the form's control.
SS2 and especially SS3 are hard to control. Goku even admitted that in DBZ. It's difficult to have restraint when the entire form is based on rage and aggression.
SSB is all about control, probably about the same level as base form. It doesn't require a high power output like SS2 or SS3 does, while also having higher potential than any other form. He can easily use 1% of his power while SSB. Whereas in SS3 it's probably difficult to throw out less than 50% of the form's max power.
I doubt we'll see Goku use SS2 or SS3 in a fight unless he's intentionally pacing it extremely slow with a strong opponent who is also slowly revealing their power. There's just no reason to, especially since it consumes more energy to be in those forms than in SSB.
If you want to know if Goku's really putting out a large percentage of the form's power, just wait to see if he's out of breath after an attack. Dragon Ball has been really good about that indicator since the beginning.
An analogy for those that still don't grasp the concept:
Let's say you want to throw a ball. You can use your bare arms(base form Goku) and throw it anywhere from 0 to 20 meters. But that's a pretty short throw. So you get a stick to hit the ball(SS1 Goku). Now you can hit the ball from 0 to 50 meters, depending on how hard you hit the ball. Still pretty accurate for short distances, but when hitting it far there's a lot of variances.
But that's still not far enough for you, so you use a good and heavy baseball bat(SS2) and you can hit it 70 meters, but it gets harder to get precise hits if you're aiming for something like 24 meters.
Take it a step further, now you equip a sledge hammer(SS3). With all your force you can hit that ball over 100 meters, but it's nearly impossible for you to get that 24 meter shot and your precision is way off.
And finally, you're sick of being limited, so you design ball-launching artillery(SSB) that lets you calibrate and shoot the ball any distance you want from 0-1000 meters with extremely high accuracy.
DOES THAT MAKE MORE SENSE?

Let's take a moment to remember that all of the above was written solely because of the color of a fictional character's hair.

Quote from: Yang on April 17, 2017, 05:34:38 PM

goku held back a lot

17 got a power boost to become relevant

end of story

ssb is incapable of being weaker than bog ssg. that means no matter how much he was holding back, 17 became quintillions of times stronger for no reason other than an asspull for relevancy.

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Quote from: Flee on April 09, 2017, 05:44:41 PM

Where do you guys watch this? And is it dubbed in English yet?

kai is better than super so you should probably just watch that instead. the english dub is currently in the middle of the tournament part of the buu saga

I just googled and is Kai just a remaster of the original series?

Quote from: Yang on April 17, 2017, 05:34:38 PM

goku held back a lot

17 got a power boost to become relevant

end of story

ssb is incapable of being weaker than bog ssg. that means no matter how much he was holding back, 17 became quintillions of times stronger for no reason other than an asspull for relevancy.

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17 vs Goku was a interestingly animated fight to be honest. I think it's a bit bullshit that all these characters seem to be god-tier all of a sudden, but I guess it can't be helped.

none of the others have been buffed to god level, just 17

and I really don't have a problem with it. Frieza's gains getting him to god level in 4 months is far crazier than 17 doing it in over a decade of training

buu and gohan both got a ridiculous power increase.

and frieza was a prodigy so it at least makes some sense. 17 doesn't, he's an android who's power shouldn't increase with training.

as was explained, cyborgs can train.

and 17 getting this strong is far more believable than Frieza getting to god level in 4 months.

its not believable in the slightest. frieza was a prodigy who didnt train a day in his life. he was naturally that strong. its a stretch but its at least a little believable. 17 being god tier isnt. even buu being this strong is somewhat more believable than this.

17 also never trained a day in his life, and he started off stronger than Frieza. there's no reason a cyborg can't have as much potential as Frieza. it sounds like you just don't like 17 if you'll defend  Frieza's power jump but this one is too much.

because 17 wasn't naturally that powerful. buu and frieza were. maybe if he, like, got an upgrade to his CPU or something but the whole point of the two android types was that only the absorption models could get stronger where the other models (17/18) couldn't.

17 has been one of my favourite characters ever since i watched the super 17 arc in GT, i just think this is fucking retarded.

ITT we bicker about the deep, complex laws of a story written by a senile old fucker who burned out ages ago

It's just lazy writing.