Quote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 05:27:36 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:59:46 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 04:55:16 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?There are many sects of Christianity that shouldn't even be called "Christianity".There aren't even supposed to be denominations. That is cutting up "The Body of Christ". They all have their problems, some more than others.Mhm, so what would the correct stance be then?One is a penitent murderer and the other is a mentally ill person that commits suicide, who goes to heaven and who goes to hell?It depends on whether they were saved or not.Now for the mentally ill person, if they didn't have the capacity to accept Christ as Savior, or know right from wrong, Christ's death covers that.David had a child die, and he comforted himself with the thought, “Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me” (2 Samuel 12:23). David knew that he would see his child in heaven one day. From that statement, we can assume that babies and young children were, by God's grace, covered for salvation by Christ’s death. We can reason from this that mentally handicapped people are covered by this principle as well. The Word of God does not specifically say this, however. Knowing the love, grace, and mercy of God, this would seem consistent with His characterIt might be nitpicky, but Mental Illness isn't the same as being mentally handicapped. Whilst it would be an utterly poor show if god sent retards to hell, It's referring more to those who are ill and can be treated but do not receive the right treatment and thus commit suicide.One thing I would point out is the notably lower rates of suicide amongst those with strong religious beliefs, and that's one of the reasons I don't like people simply bashing religion for fun. But at the same time, there are some serious flaws with various doctrines and I'd like to have them clarified if possible.So say you have an athiest-agnostic, they don't know and they don't believe. They get struck down with depression but because of poor access to appropriate healthcare they end up committing suicide. Do they go to hell? They aren't handicapped, but they are afflicted with a treatable illness.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:59:46 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 04:55:16 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?There are many sects of Christianity that shouldn't even be called "Christianity".There aren't even supposed to be denominations. That is cutting up "The Body of Christ". They all have their problems, some more than others.Mhm, so what would the correct stance be then?One is a penitent murderer and the other is a mentally ill person that commits suicide, who goes to heaven and who goes to hell?It depends on whether they were saved or not.Now for the mentally ill person, if they didn't have the capacity to accept Christ as Savior, or know right from wrong, Christ's death covers that.David had a child die, and he comforted himself with the thought, “Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me” (2 Samuel 12:23). David knew that he would see his child in heaven one day. From that statement, we can assume that babies and young children were, by God's grace, covered for salvation by Christ’s death. We can reason from this that mentally handicapped people are covered by this principle as well. The Word of God does not specifically say this, however. Knowing the love, grace, and mercy of God, this would seem consistent with His character
Quote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 04:55:16 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?There are many sects of Christianity that shouldn't even be called "Christianity".There aren't even supposed to be denominations. That is cutting up "The Body of Christ". They all have their problems, some more than others.Mhm, so what would the correct stance be then?One is a penitent murderer and the other is a mentally ill person that commits suicide, who goes to heaven and who goes to hell?
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?There are many sects of Christianity that shouldn't even be called "Christianity".There aren't even supposed to be denominations. That is cutting up "The Body of Christ". They all have their problems, some more than others.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?
Quote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.Wut
Quote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?
Quote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.
Quote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.
The thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.
since this person had the mental capacity to choose Salvation or not before he became afflicted.......he is responsible for that.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 05:59:05 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 05:27:36 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:59:46 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 04:55:16 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?There are many sects of Christianity that shouldn't even be called "Christianity".There aren't even supposed to be denominations. That is cutting up "The Body of Christ". They all have their problems, some more than others.Mhm, so what would the correct stance be then?One is a penitent murderer and the other is a mentally ill person that commits suicide, who goes to heaven and who goes to hell?It depends on whether they were saved or not.Now for the mentally ill person, if they didn't have the capacity to accept Christ as Savior, or know right from wrong, Christ's death covers that.David had a child die, and he comforted himself with the thought, “Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me” (2 Samuel 12:23). David knew that he would see his child in heaven one day. From that statement, we can assume that babies and young children were, by God's grace, covered for salvation by Christ’s death. We can reason from this that mentally handicapped people are covered by this principle as well. The Word of God does not specifically say this, however. Knowing the love, grace, and mercy of God, this would seem consistent with His characterIt might be nitpicky, but Mental Illness isn't the same as being mentally handicapped. Whilst it would be an utterly poor show if god sent retards to hell, It's referring more to those who are ill and can be treated but do not receive the right treatment and thus commit suicide.One thing I would point out is the notably lower rates of suicide amongst those with strong religious beliefs, and that's one of the reasons I don't like people simply bashing religion for fun. But at the same time, there are some serious flaws with various doctrines and I'd like to have them clarified if possible.So say you have an athiest-agnostic, they don't know and they don't believe. They get struck down with depression but because of poor access to appropriate healthcare they end up committing suicide. Do they go to hell? They aren't handicapped, but they are afflicted with a treatable illness.Like Nuka said, I can't give a definitive answer for certain.But I would say from what information I've got: since this person had the mental capacity to choose Salvation or not before he became afflicted.......he is responsible for that.He rejected Salvation when he had the capacity and opportunity to accept it.
Even if they have lived a life completely free of sin?
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 06:10:59 PMEven if they have lived a life completely free of sin?Not possible. All humans are sinners.
10 - Vague as phuck.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 06:16:39 PM10 - Vague as phuck.Don't desire/gawk at shit you don't have, be content with what you've got, don't be greedy. Basically, don't do what King David did when he killed one of his greatest soldiers so he could have his wife, despite the fact the dude had at least a hundred already.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 06:23:37 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 06:16:39 PM10 - Vague as phuck.Don't desire/gawk at shit you don't have, be content with what you've got, don't be greedy. Basically, don't do what King David did when he killed one of his greatest soldiers so he could have his wife, despite the fact the dude had at least a hundred already.It was more relevant when I had the other image up >_>I get your point though.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 06:16:39 PMI like how in commandment 10 god throws in wife with the other possessions. Sure sounds like something an intelligent being would do.
Quote from: Sly Instinct on October 28, 2014, 08:11:14 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 06:16:39 PMI like how in commandment 10 god throws in wife with the other possessions. Sure sounds like something an intelligent being would do.Because it's totally not like that's how it was in their society back then.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 08:14:35 PMQuote from: Sly Instinct on October 28, 2014, 08:11:14 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 06:16:39 PMI like how in commandment 10 god throws in wife with the other possessions. Sure sounds like something an intelligent being would do.Because it's totally not like that's how it was in their society back then.because that totally makes it legit and believable
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 08:14:35 PMQuote from: Sly Instinct on October 28, 2014, 08:11:14 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 06:16:39 PMI like how in commandment 10 god throws in wife with the other possessions. Sure sounds like something an intelligent being would do.Because it's totally not like that's how it was in their society back then.And what a perfect time to liberate women than with his commandments.Funnily enough, two verses later god tells Moses to instruct his followers about the conditions under which they may buy or sell slaves and the rules governing the sale of their daughters.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 08:19:43 PMQuote from: Nuka on October 28, 2014, 08:15:36 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 08:14:35 PMQuote from: Sly Instinct on October 28, 2014, 08:11:14 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 06:16:39 PMI like how in commandment 10 god throws in wife with the other possessions. Sure sounds like something an intelligent being would do.Because it's totally not like that's how it was in their society back then.because that totally makes it legit and believableIf you think it's unbelievable that women were considered property in the Middle East thousands of years ago, then that's not my problem.I mean that it would be a commandment from god. Obviously I know that's how society functioned back then, and it's really fucked up that that's how things were.My point here is that god didn't see it as wicked in any way, and in fact made it a commandment to keep treating women like property. let's not even get into all the shit god supposedly said about how marriage works. (i.e. rape victims, war prisoners, etc)
Quote from: Nuka on October 28, 2014, 08:15:36 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 08:14:35 PMQuote from: Sly Instinct on October 28, 2014, 08:11:14 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 06:16:39 PMI like how in commandment 10 god throws in wife with the other possessions. Sure sounds like something an intelligent being would do.Because it's totally not like that's how it was in their society back then.because that totally makes it legit and believableIf you think it's unbelievable that women were considered property in the Middle East thousands of years ago, then that's not my problem.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 08:25:22 PMQuote from: Nuka on October 28, 2014, 08:22:17 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 08:19:43 PMQuote from: Nuka on October 28, 2014, 08:15:36 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 08:14:35 PMQuote from: Sly Instinct on October 28, 2014, 08:11:14 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 06:16:39 PMI like how in commandment 10 god throws in wife with the other possessions. Sure sounds like something an intelligent being would do.Because it's totally not like that's how it was in their society back then.because that totally makes it legit and believableIf you think it's unbelievable that women were considered property in the Middle East thousands of years ago, then that's not my problem.I mean that it would be a commandment from god. Obviously I know that's how society functioned back then, and it's really fucked up that that's how things were.My point here is that god didn't see it as wicked in any way, and in fact made it a commandment to keep treating women like property. let's not even get into all the shit god supposedly said about how marriage works. (i.e. rape victims, war prisoners, etc)Think of how a parent raises their child. Do you try to explain Algebra to an 8 year old? Things take time to become the best they can be. The world back then was not a place accepting of equality between men and women, they needed to work their way up.Is that the reason things towards women around the world have basically stayed the same for 2000 years? I haven't seen any mystical changes in the documents to fix any of that BS
Quote from: Nuka on October 28, 2014, 08:22:17 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 08:19:43 PMQuote from: Nuka on October 28, 2014, 08:15:36 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 08:14:35 PMQuote from: Sly Instinct on October 28, 2014, 08:11:14 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 06:16:39 PMI like how in commandment 10 god throws in wife with the other possessions. Sure sounds like something an intelligent being would do.Because it's totally not like that's how it was in their society back then.because that totally makes it legit and believableIf you think it's unbelievable that women were considered property in the Middle East thousands of years ago, then that's not my problem.I mean that it would be a commandment from god. Obviously I know that's how society functioned back then, and it's really fucked up that that's how things were.My point here is that god didn't see it as wicked in any way, and in fact made it a commandment to keep treating women like property. let's not even get into all the shit god supposedly said about how marriage works. (i.e. rape victims, war prisoners, etc)Think of how a parent raises their child. Do you try to explain Algebra to an 8 year old? Things take time to become the best they can be. The world back then was not a place accepting of equality between men and women, they needed to work their way up.
Of course the general rule, don't be a fgt to other people still applies.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 08:30:15 PMQuote from: Nuka on October 28, 2014, 08:26:36 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 08:25:22 PMQuote from: Nuka on October 28, 2014, 08:22:17 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 08:19:43 PMQuote from: Nuka on October 28, 2014, 08:15:36 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 08:14:35 PMQuote from: Sly Instinct on October 28, 2014, 08:11:14 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 06:16:39 PMI like how in commandment 10 god throws in wife with the other possessions. Sure sounds like something an intelligent being would do.Because it's totally not like that's how it was in their society back then.because that totally makes it legit and believableIf you think it's unbelievable that women were considered property in the Middle East thousands of years ago, then that's not my problem.I mean that it would be a commandment from god. Obviously I know that's how society functioned back then, and it's really fucked up that that's how things were.My point here is that god didn't see it as wicked in any way, and in fact made it a commandment to keep treating women like property. let's not even get into all the shit god supposedly said about how marriage works. (i.e. rape victims, war prisoners, etc)Think of how a parent raises their child. Do you try to explain Algebra to an 8 year old? Things take time to become the best they can be. The world back then was not a place accepting of equality between men and women, they needed to work their way up.Is that the reason things towards women around the world have basically stayed the same for 2000 years? I haven't seen any mystical changes in the documents to fix any of that BSFunny, the 1st world countries don't act like that today. "Jesus died to fulfill the old law". Pretty much all OT laws are null and void as of today. Of course the general rule, don't be a fgt to other people still applies.Things didn't change until about the 60s which is pretty recent in the grand scheme of things.Also, take a look beyond first world counties. Just because we don't live there, it doesn't mean we're any better than the people there. Many of those countries are way more religious as well.
Quote from: Nuka on October 28, 2014, 08:26:36 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 08:25:22 PMQuote from: Nuka on October 28, 2014, 08:22:17 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 08:19:43 PMQuote from: Nuka on October 28, 2014, 08:15:36 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 08:14:35 PMQuote from: Sly Instinct on October 28, 2014, 08:11:14 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 06:16:39 PMI like how in commandment 10 god throws in wife with the other possessions. Sure sounds like something an intelligent being would do.Because it's totally not like that's how it was in their society back then.because that totally makes it legit and believableIf you think it's unbelievable that women were considered property in the Middle East thousands of years ago, then that's not my problem.I mean that it would be a commandment from god. Obviously I know that's how society functioned back then, and it's really fucked up that that's how things were.My point here is that god didn't see it as wicked in any way, and in fact made it a commandment to keep treating women like property. let's not even get into all the shit god supposedly said about how marriage works. (i.e. rape victims, war prisoners, etc)Think of how a parent raises their child. Do you try to explain Algebra to an 8 year old? Things take time to become the best they can be. The world back then was not a place accepting of equality between men and women, they needed to work their way up.Is that the reason things towards women around the world have basically stayed the same for 2000 years? I haven't seen any mystical changes in the documents to fix any of that BSFunny, the 1st world countries don't act like that today. "Jesus died to fulfill the old law". Pretty much all OT laws are null and void as of today. Of course the general rule, don't be a fgt to other people still applies.
QuoteOf course the general rule, don't be a fgt to other people still applies.Is that why so many Christians hate gays?
Gais pls, stop.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 08:21:58 PMSo who leads who, god or corrupt men? The whole point of the commandments was to show the people right from wrong yet he spends more time restricting negative comments about himself than he does actually forbidding objectively more immoral things, like selling your daughters and owning slaves.
*makes dudes write old testament*oops sorry guys never mind i lied jesus says its k*old testament doesn't matter anymore**people still follow the parts they want and use the rest as a reason to hate on other people they don't like*
Do you know how much GOD loves you?
