Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:05:39 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 05:02:13 PMQuote from: Korra on October 28, 2014, 05:00:03 PMQuote from: Nuka on October 28, 2014, 04:58:36 PMQuote from: Korra on October 28, 2014, 04:49:26 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 04:26:23 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?What if the Mormons are the only ones that are right?Dude, the Catholics have always been weird, don't blame us for them. Why anyone would expect a bunch of crazed Italians to get anything done right is beyond me.Did I just hear that correctly? You called Catholics weird? Tsk tsk.To be fair, Catholics do have some pretty bizarre traditions >>Considering that I was raised Catholic... I don't know, everything religious outside of Catholicism's fanciness looks odd to me.It might look odd but is it better to spend a million on making everything shiny and painted nicely in a church or to put that towards charity?I was CofE where it's all quite spartan, so Catholic churches tend to look very ostentatious to me.Well, when you think about it, it keeps the architects and workmen paid; and you end up with a badass-looking Cathedral. Kinda works out in the end.Isn't there a whole thing about not living in luxury and shit?
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 05:02:13 PMQuote from: Korra on October 28, 2014, 05:00:03 PMQuote from: Nuka on October 28, 2014, 04:58:36 PMQuote from: Korra on October 28, 2014, 04:49:26 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 04:26:23 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?What if the Mormons are the only ones that are right?Dude, the Catholics have always been weird, don't blame us for them. Why anyone would expect a bunch of crazed Italians to get anything done right is beyond me.Did I just hear that correctly? You called Catholics weird? Tsk tsk.To be fair, Catholics do have some pretty bizarre traditions >>Considering that I was raised Catholic... I don't know, everything religious outside of Catholicism's fanciness looks odd to me.It might look odd but is it better to spend a million on making everything shiny and painted nicely in a church or to put that towards charity?I was CofE where it's all quite spartan, so Catholic churches tend to look very ostentatious to me.Well, when you think about it, it keeps the architects and workmen paid; and you end up with a badass-looking Cathedral. Kinda works out in the end.
Quote from: Korra on October 28, 2014, 05:00:03 PMQuote from: Nuka on October 28, 2014, 04:58:36 PMQuote from: Korra on October 28, 2014, 04:49:26 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 04:26:23 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?What if the Mormons are the only ones that are right?Dude, the Catholics have always been weird, don't blame us for them. Why anyone would expect a bunch of crazed Italians to get anything done right is beyond me.Did I just hear that correctly? You called Catholics weird? Tsk tsk.To be fair, Catholics do have some pretty bizarre traditions >>Considering that I was raised Catholic... I don't know, everything religious outside of Catholicism's fanciness looks odd to me.It might look odd but is it better to spend a million on making everything shiny and painted nicely in a church or to put that towards charity?I was CofE where it's all quite spartan, so Catholic churches tend to look very ostentatious to me.
Quote from: Nuka on October 28, 2014, 04:58:36 PMQuote from: Korra on October 28, 2014, 04:49:26 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 04:26:23 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?What if the Mormons are the only ones that are right?Dude, the Catholics have always been weird, don't blame us for them. Why anyone would expect a bunch of crazed Italians to get anything done right is beyond me.Did I just hear that correctly? You called Catholics weird? Tsk tsk.To be fair, Catholics do have some pretty bizarre traditions >>Considering that I was raised Catholic... I don't know, everything religious outside of Catholicism's fanciness looks odd to me.
Quote from: Korra on October 28, 2014, 04:49:26 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 04:26:23 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?What if the Mormons are the only ones that are right?Dude, the Catholics have always been weird, don't blame us for them. Why anyone would expect a bunch of crazed Italians to get anything done right is beyond me.Did I just hear that correctly? You called Catholics weird? Tsk tsk.To be fair, Catholics do have some pretty bizarre traditions >>
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 04:26:23 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?What if the Mormons are the only ones that are right?Dude, the Catholics have always been weird, don't blame us for them. Why anyone would expect a bunch of crazed Italians to get anything done right is beyond me.Did I just hear that correctly? You called Catholics weird? Tsk tsk.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?What if the Mormons are the only ones that are right?Dude, the Catholics have always been weird, don't blame us for them. Why anyone would expect a bunch of crazed Italians to get anything done right is beyond me.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?
Quote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.Wut
Quote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?
Quote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.
Quote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.
The thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.
Quote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 01:05:26 AMI'm pretty aware of how little god loves me.You confuse struggles and challenges to overcome with God not loving you. You don't face those because of a lack of love, but because the presence of love. You will grow and become stronger, or you will inspire others to do so or live another way, everything is connected.
I'm pretty aware of how little god loves me.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:02:24 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:59:46 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 04:55:16 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?There are many sects of Christianity that shouldn't even be called "Christianity".There aren't even supposed to be denominations. That is cutting up "The Body of Christ". They all have their problems, some more than others.Mhm, so what would the correct stance be then?One is a penitent murderer and the other is a mentally ill person that commits suicide, who goes to heaven and who goes to hell?YouTubeSo they both go to hell?
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:59:46 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 04:55:16 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?There are many sects of Christianity that shouldn't even be called "Christianity".There aren't even supposed to be denominations. That is cutting up "The Body of Christ". They all have their problems, some more than others.Mhm, so what would the correct stance be then?One is a penitent murderer and the other is a mentally ill person that commits suicide, who goes to heaven and who goes to hell?YouTube
Quote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 04:55:16 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?There are many sects of Christianity that shouldn't even be called "Christianity".There aren't even supposed to be denominations. That is cutting up "The Body of Christ". They all have their problems, some more than others.Mhm, so what would the correct stance be then?One is a penitent murderer and the other is a mentally ill person that commits suicide, who goes to heaven and who goes to hell?
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?There are many sects of Christianity that shouldn't even be called "Christianity".There aren't even supposed to be denominations. That is cutting up "The Body of Christ". They all have their problems, some more than others.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:32:04 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 01:05:26 AMI'm pretty aware of how little god loves me.You confuse struggles and challenges to overcome with God not loving you. You don't face those because of a lack of love, but because the presence of love. You will grow and become stronger, or you will inspire others to do so or live another way, everything is connected.No.
Quote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:15:34 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:32:04 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 01:05:26 AMI'm pretty aware of how little god loves me.You confuse struggles and challenges to overcome with God not loving you. You don't face those because of a lack of love, but because the presence of love. You will grow and become stronger, or you will inspire others to do so or live another way, everything is connected.No.Yes.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:18:02 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:15:34 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:32:04 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 01:05:26 AMI'm pretty aware of how little god loves me.You confuse struggles and challenges to overcome with God not loving you. You don't face those because of a lack of love, but because the presence of love. You will grow and become stronger, or you will inspire others to do so or live another way, everything is connected.No.Yes.Which god is this again, are we referring tot he Christian god?
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:02:24 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:59:46 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 04:55:16 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?There are many sects of Christianity that shouldn't even be called "Christianity".There aren't even supposed to be denominations. That is cutting up "The Body of Christ". They all have their problems, some more than others.Mhm, so what would the correct stance be then?One is a penitent murderer and the other is a mentally ill person that commits suicide, who goes to heaven and who goes to hell?So they both go to hell?
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:59:46 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 04:55:16 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?There are many sects of Christianity that shouldn't even be called "Christianity".There aren't even supposed to be denominations. That is cutting up "The Body of Christ". They all have their problems, some more than others.Mhm, so what would the correct stance be then?One is a penitent murderer and the other is a mentally ill person that commits suicide, who goes to heaven and who goes to hell?
Quote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:18:52 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:18:02 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:15:34 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:32:04 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 01:05:26 AMI'm pretty aware of how little god loves me.You confuse struggles and challenges to overcome with God not loving you. You don't face those because of a lack of love, but because the presence of love. You will grow and become stronger, or you will inspire others to do so or live another way, everything is connected.No.Yes.Which god is this again, are we referring tot he Christian god?>Jesus thread>which God?What do you think?
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:21:35 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:18:52 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:18:02 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:15:34 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:32:04 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 01:05:26 AMI'm pretty aware of how little god loves me.You confuse struggles and challenges to overcome with God not loving you. You don't face those because of a lack of love, but because the presence of love. You will grow and become stronger, or you will inspire others to do so or live another way, everything is connected.No.Yes.Which god is this again, are we referring tot he Christian god?>Jesus thread>which God?What do you think?Oh. He doesn't exist. But okay.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:59:46 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 04:55:16 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?There are many sects of Christianity that shouldn't even be called "Christianity".There aren't even supposed to be denominations. That is cutting up "The Body of Christ". They all have their problems, some more than others.Mhm, so what would the correct stance be then?One is a penitent murderer and the other is a mentally ill person that commits suicide, who goes to heaven and who goes to hell?It depends on whether they were saved or not.Now for the mentally ill person, if they didn't have the capacity to accept Christ as Savior, or know right from wrong, Christ's death covers that.David had a child die, and he comforted himself with the thought, “Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me” (2 Samuel 12:23). David knew that he would see his child in heaven one day. From that statement, we can assume that babies and young children were, by God's grace, covered for salvation by Christ’s death. We can reason from this that mentally handicapped people are covered by this principle as well. The Word of God does not specifically say this, however. Knowing the love, grace, and mercy of God, this would seem consistent with His character
Quote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 05:27:36 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:59:46 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 04:55:16 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?There are many sects of Christianity that shouldn't even be called "Christianity".There aren't even supposed to be denominations. That is cutting up "The Body of Christ". They all have their problems, some more than others.Mhm, so what would the correct stance be then?One is a penitent murderer and the other is a mentally ill person that commits suicide, who goes to heaven and who goes to hell?It depends on whether they were saved or not.Now for the mentally ill person, if they didn't have the capacity to accept Christ as Savior, or know right from wrong, Christ's death covers that.David had a child die, and he comforted himself with the thought, “Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me” (2 Samuel 12:23). David knew that he would see his child in heaven one day. From that statement, we can assume that babies and young children were, by God's grace, covered for salvation by Christ’s death. We can reason from this that mentally handicapped people are covered by this principle as well. The Word of God does not specifically say this, however. Knowing the love, grace, and mercy of God, this would seem consistent with His characterYou're selling this like an insurance policy.
Quote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:25:36 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:21:35 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:18:52 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:18:02 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:15:34 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:32:04 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 01:05:26 AMI'm pretty aware of how little god loves me.You confuse struggles and challenges to overcome with God not loving you. You don't face those because of a lack of love, but because the presence of love. You will grow and become stronger, or you will inspire others to do so or live another way, everything is connected.No.Yes.Which god is this again, are we referring tot he Christian god?>Jesus thread>which God?What do you think?Oh. He doesn't exist. But okay.You don't exist. Wow that was easy.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 05:27:36 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:59:46 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 04:55:16 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?There are many sects of Christianity that shouldn't even be called "Christianity".There aren't even supposed to be denominations. That is cutting up "The Body of Christ". They all have their problems, some more than others.Mhm, so what would the correct stance be then?One is a penitent murderer and the other is a mentally ill person that commits suicide, who goes to heaven and who goes to hell?You're selling this like an insurance policy.
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Quote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 05:31:16 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:30:11 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 05:27:36 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:59:46 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 04:55:16 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?There are many sects of Christianity that shouldn't even be called "Christianity".There aren't even supposed to be denominations. That is cutting up "The Body of Christ". They all have their problems, some more than others.Mhm, so what would the correct stance be then?One is a penitent murderer and the other is a mentally ill person that commits suicide, who goes to heaven and who goes to hell?It depends on whether they were saved or not.Now for the mentally ill person, if they didn't have the capacity to accept Christ as Savior, or know right from wrong, Christ's death covers that.David had a child die, and he comforted himself with the thought, “Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me” (2 Samuel 12:23). David knew that he would see his child in heaven one day. From that statement, we can assume that babies and young children were, by God's grace, covered for salvation by Christ’s death. We can reason from this that mentally handicapped people are covered by this principle as well. The Word of God does not specifically say this, however. Knowing the love, grace, and mercy of God, this would seem consistent with His characterYou're selling this like an insurance policy.Isn't it?lol does kind of sound like one huh?
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:30:11 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 05:27:36 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:59:46 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 04:55:16 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?There are many sects of Christianity that shouldn't even be called "Christianity".There aren't even supposed to be denominations. That is cutting up "The Body of Christ". They all have their problems, some more than others.Mhm, so what would the correct stance be then?One is a penitent murderer and the other is a mentally ill person that commits suicide, who goes to heaven and who goes to hell?It depends on whether they were saved or not.Now for the mentally ill person, if they didn't have the capacity to accept Christ as Savior, or know right from wrong, Christ's death covers that.David had a child die, and he comforted himself with the thought, “Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me” (2 Samuel 12:23). David knew that he would see his child in heaven one day. From that statement, we can assume that babies and young children were, by God's grace, covered for salvation by Christ’s death. We can reason from this that mentally handicapped people are covered by this principle as well. The Word of God does not specifically say this, however. Knowing the love, grace, and mercy of God, this would seem consistent with His characterYou're selling this like an insurance policy.Isn't it?
Quote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:31:23 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:29:16 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:25:36 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:21:35 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:18:52 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:18:02 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:15:34 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:32:04 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 01:05:26 AMI'm pretty aware of how little god loves me.You confuse struggles and challenges to overcome with God not loving you. You don't face those because of a lack of love, but because the presence of love. You will grow and become stronger, or you will inspire others to do so or live another way, everything is connected.No.Yes.Which god is this again, are we referring tot he Christian god?>Jesus thread>which God?What do you think?Oh. He doesn't exist. But okay.You don't exist. Wow that was easy.Except it is proven that I exist.Quote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 05:31:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:29:16 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:25:36 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:21:35 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:18:52 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:18:02 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:15:34 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:32:04 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 01:05:26 AMI'm pretty aware of how little god loves me.You confuse struggles and challenges to overcome with God not loving you. You don't face those because of a lack of love, but because the presence of love. You will grow and become stronger, or you will inspire others to do so or live another way, everything is connected.No.Yes.Which god is this again, are we referring tot he Christian god?>Jesus thread>which God?What do you think?Oh. He doesn't exist. But okay.You don't exist. Wow that was easy.Except there's proof that Nexus exists...Excuse me, but as a follower of Solipsism I am insulted.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:29:16 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:25:36 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:21:35 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:18:52 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:18:02 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:15:34 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:32:04 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 01:05:26 AMI'm pretty aware of how little god loves me.You confuse struggles and challenges to overcome with God not loving you. You don't face those because of a lack of love, but because the presence of love. You will grow and become stronger, or you will inspire others to do so or live another way, everything is connected.No.Yes.Which god is this again, are we referring tot he Christian god?>Jesus thread>which God?What do you think?Oh. He doesn't exist. But okay.You don't exist. Wow that was easy.Except it is proven that I exist.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:29:16 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:25:36 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:21:35 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:18:52 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:18:02 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:15:34 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:32:04 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 01:05:26 AMI'm pretty aware of how little god loves me.You confuse struggles and challenges to overcome with God not loving you. You don't face those because of a lack of love, but because the presence of love. You will grow and become stronger, or you will inspire others to do so or live another way, everything is connected.No.Yes.Which god is this again, are we referring tot he Christian god?>Jesus thread>which God?What do you think?Oh. He doesn't exist. But okay.You don't exist. Wow that was easy.Except there's proof that Nexus exists...
Quote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 05:31:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:29:16 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:25:36 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:21:35 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:18:52 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:18:02 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:15:34 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:32:04 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 01:05:26 AMI'm pretty aware of how little god loves me.You confuse struggles and challenges to overcome with God not loving you. You don't face those because of a lack of love, but because the presence of love. You will grow and become stronger, or you will inspire others to do so or live another way, everything is connected.No.Yes.Which god is this again, are we referring tot he Christian god?>Jesus thread>which God?What do you think?Oh. He doesn't exist. But okay.You don't exist. Wow that was easy.Except there's proof that Nexus exists...If Nexus did exist, why would you 2 have posted the same thing?Checkmate Atheists.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:37:17 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 05:31:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:29:16 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:25:36 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:21:35 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:18:52 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:18:02 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:15:34 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:32:04 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 01:05:26 AMI'm pretty aware of how little god loves me.You confuse struggles and challenges to overcome with God not loving you. You don't face those because of a lack of love, but because the presence of love. You will grow and become stronger, or you will inspire others to do so or live another way, everything is connected.No.Yes.Which god is this again, are we referring tot he Christian god?>Jesus thread>which God?What do you think?Oh. He doesn't exist. But okay.You don't exist. Wow that was easy.Except there's proof that Nexus exists...If Nexus did exist, why would you 2 have posted the same thing?Checkmate Atheists.I'm actually agnostic, but I am pretty sure the Christian god is nonexistent.
Quote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:44:34 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:37:17 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 05:31:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:29:16 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:25:36 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:21:35 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:18:52 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:18:02 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:15:34 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:32:04 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 01:05:26 AMI'm pretty aware of how little god loves me.You confuse struggles and challenges to overcome with God not loving you. You don't face those because of a lack of love, but because the presence of love. You will grow and become stronger, or you will inspire others to do so or live another way, everything is connected.No.Yes.Which god is this again, are we referring tot he Christian god?>Jesus thread>which God?What do you think?Oh. He doesn't exist. But okay.You don't exist. Wow that was easy.Except there's proof that Nexus exists...If Nexus did exist, why would you 2 have posted the same thing?Checkmate Atheists.I'm actually agnostic, but I am pretty sure the Christian god is nonexistent.Well, saying you know either to be true technically makes you obsessed and incoherent. So, good job.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:45:54 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:44:34 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:37:17 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 05:31:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:29:16 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:25:36 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:21:35 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:18:52 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:18:02 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:15:34 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:32:04 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 01:05:26 AMI'm pretty aware of how little god loves me.You confuse struggles and challenges to overcome with God not loving you. You don't face those because of a lack of love, but because the presence of love. You will grow and become stronger, or you will inspire others to do so or live another way, everything is connected.No.Yes.Which god is this again, are we referring tot he Christian god?>Jesus thread>which God?What do you think?Oh. He doesn't exist. But okay.You don't exist. Wow that was easy.Except there's proof that Nexus exists...If Nexus did exist, why would you 2 have posted the same thing?Checkmate Atheists.I'm actually agnostic, but I am pretty sure the Christian god is nonexistent.Well, saying you know either to be true technically makes you obsessed and incoherent. So, good job.Just like worshiping him though, right?
Quote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:48:20 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:45:54 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:44:34 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:37:17 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 05:31:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:29:16 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:25:36 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:21:35 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:18:52 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:18:02 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:15:34 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:32:04 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 01:05:26 AMI'm pretty aware of how little god loves me.You confuse struggles and challenges to overcome with God not loving you. You don't face those because of a lack of love, but because the presence of love. You will grow and become stronger, or you will inspire others to do so or live another way, everything is connected.No.Yes.Which god is this again, are we referring tot he Christian god?>Jesus thread>which God?What do you think?Oh. He doesn't exist. But okay.You don't exist. Wow that was easy.Except there's proof that Nexus exists...If Nexus did exist, why would you 2 have posted the same thing?Checkmate Atheists.I'm actually agnostic, but I am pretty sure the Christian god is nonexistent.Well, saying you know either to be true technically makes you obsessed and incoherent. So, good job.Just like worshiping him though, right?Believing =/= KnowingNice try, fig.
Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:49:15 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:48:20 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:45:54 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:44:34 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:37:17 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 05:31:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:29:16 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:25:36 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:21:35 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:18:52 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 05:18:02 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 05:15:34 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:32:04 PMQuote from: Nexus on October 28, 2014, 01:05:26 AMI'm pretty aware of how little god loves me.You confuse struggles and challenges to overcome with God not loving you. You don't face those because of a lack of love, but because the presence of love. You will grow and become stronger, or you will inspire others to do so or live another way, everything is connected.No.Yes.Which god is this again, are we referring tot he Christian god?>Jesus thread>which God?What do you think?Oh. He doesn't exist. But okay.You don't exist. Wow that was easy.Except there's proof that Nexus exists...If Nexus did exist, why would you 2 have posted the same thing?Checkmate Atheists.I'm actually agnostic, but I am pretty sure the Christian god is nonexistent.Well, saying you know either to be true technically makes you obsessed and incoherent. So, good job.Just like worshiping him though, right?Believing =/= KnowingNice try, fig.Still believing in the first place. Christian God is a cunt.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 05:59:05 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 05:27:36 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:59:46 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 04:55:16 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?There are many sects of Christianity that shouldn't even be called "Christianity".There aren't even supposed to be denominations. That is cutting up "The Body of Christ". They all have their problems, some more than others.Mhm, so what would the correct stance be then?One is a penitent murderer and the other is a mentally ill person that commits suicide, who goes to heaven and who goes to hell?It depends on whether they were saved or not.Now for the mentally ill person, if they didn't have the capacity to accept Christ as Savior, or know right from wrong, Christ's death covers that.David had a child die, and he comforted himself with the thought, “Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me” (2 Samuel 12:23). David knew that he would see his child in heaven one day. From that statement, we can assume that babies and young children were, by God's grace, covered for salvation by Christ’s death. We can reason from this that mentally handicapped people are covered by this principle as well. The Word of God does not specifically say this, however. Knowing the love, grace, and mercy of God, this would seem consistent with His characterIt might be nitpicky, but Mental Illness isn't the same as being mentally handicapped. Whilst it would be an utterly poor show if god sent retards to hell, It's referring more to those who are ill and can be treated but do not receive the right treatment and thus commit suicide.One thing I would point out is the notably lower rates of suicide amongst those with strong religious beliefs, and that's one of the reasons I don't like people simply bashing religion for fun. But at the same time, there are some serious flaws with various doctrines and I'd like to have them clarified if possible.So say you have an athiest-agnostic, they don't know and they don't believe. They get struck down with depression but because of poor access to appropriate healthcare they end up committing suicide. Do they go to hell? They aren't handicapped, but they are afflicted with a treatable illness.If there's one thing I've learned, it's that religious people never know how to answer these questions. The most you can expect is some kind of deflection.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 05:27:36 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:59:46 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on October 28, 2014, 04:55:16 PMQuote from: Mr Psychologist on October 28, 2014, 04:22:41 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:13:16 PMQuote from: TailBlue on October 28, 2014, 03:07:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 03:05:46 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 03:02:34 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 28, 2014, 02:54:19 PMQuote from: Assassin 11D7 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on October 27, 2014, 11:46:17 PMThe thing that bothers me most about religion [Christianity in particular] is that no success is my own. All of the years of practice, training, and experience don't make me good at what I do; God does. It's not the coaches and teammates; it's God. It's not the teachers, tutors, and professors; it's God.No, motherfucker. I worked hard for this shit. This is mine. You can't take it away from me.I think you simply don't realize how it works. >God creates everything>People use what God created to do things for themselves and others>People achieve things with what they created>Thank God for allowing it all to be possibleNobody is saying you didn't earn anything, nobody is saying that you or your teachers and friends and family didn't do anything to make whatever was achieved possible. All it is, is that God made it possible for it all to happen. Sorry, but this argument always bugs me.See, that's the problem. If God created everything, I am forever indebted to him for something he didn't have a hand in. It seems no different than the mob requiring business owners to pay "protection" fees. A portion of the business's earnings go to the mob even though the mob did nothing to earn it.Except God isn't going to cripple you for not giving thanks to him. It's a courtesy, a humble acknowledgement, not a bill to pay.So we're going to ignore the punishment of hell?But Max, god lets you into heaven if you say you're sorry.Unless you killed yourself over being in a bad situation that you had no help in.Then fuck you.WutIf you kill someone and go to confession, say 3 hail marys and two our fathers and repent that way - If my understanding of catholic doctrine is correct you are forgiven those sins and can get into heaven if you have your last rites read.If you commit suicide, you go to hell (Also according to catholic doctrine) as it's considered a mortal sin. This fails to take into account that it's not free will that leads people to choose suicide (In most cases) but is either a combination of an inescapable situation or mental illness.So if the catholics are right, what kind of god punishes the weak and the ill but forgives the wicked?There are many sects of Christianity that shouldn't even be called "Christianity".There aren't even supposed to be denominations. That is cutting up "The Body of Christ". They all have their problems, some more than others.Mhm, so what would the correct stance be then?One is a penitent murderer and the other is a mentally ill person that commits suicide, who goes to heaven and who goes to hell?It depends on whether they were saved or not.Now for the mentally ill person, if they didn't have the capacity to accept Christ as Savior, or know right from wrong, Christ's death covers that.David had a child die, and he comforted himself with the thought, “Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me” (2 Samuel 12:23). David knew that he would see his child in heaven one day. From that statement, we can assume that babies and young children were, by God's grace, covered for salvation by Christ’s death. We can reason from this that mentally handicapped people are covered by this principle as well. The Word of God does not specifically say this, however. Knowing the love, grace, and mercy of God, this would seem consistent with His characterIt might be nitpicky, but Mental Illness isn't the same as being mentally handicapped. Whilst it would be an utterly poor show if god sent retards to hell, It's referring more to those who are ill and can be treated but do not receive the right treatment and thus commit suicide.One thing I would point out is the notably lower rates of suicide amongst those with strong religious beliefs, and that's one of the reasons I don't like people simply bashing religion for fun. But at the same time, there are some serious flaws with various doctrines and I'd like to have them clarified if possible.So say you have an athiest-agnostic, they don't know and they don't believe. They get struck down with depression but because of poor access to appropriate healthcare they end up committing suicide. Do they go to hell? They aren't handicapped, but they are afflicted with a treatable illness.
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