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Because it is a pointless waste of time, money, and effort and only serves to breed a competitive mindset in youth. Competition is bad.

Competition is the reason we're the dominant species on the planet and the reason you're sitting in a warm home on a computer bitching about everything all day.

Just like how a 600+ pound fat man in a scooter is the height of competitive evolution, right?

Nope.

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I think Verb's talking about over-competitive.

No such thing. Either you win or you don't.

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You ever play chess? That's a form of competition with your buddy or your partner. It's fun to see who can outplay who especially if you're good matches. And then whoever wins, wins, and that's that. A thank you for shared fun and the challenge.

That would be playing for fun. A chess tournament would be competitive.

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But sports. You get riots and shit. "Fan loyalty."

Stupid people rioting have nothing to do with athletes and competition.

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There's natural competition and then there's stupid competition.

There's just competition.

Then please, enlighten me about hockey fights. Never mind the riots. Let's focus on the players. Getting so pissed off at each other that they deck each other upside the head with hockey sticks.

Coaches actually essentially put "hits" out on rival players. It's been done in football as well. Injure or cripple the other player and they get a pay raise on their check.

And playing for fun. Really? The goal in chess is to win. So fucking naturally, you're going to play to win. That's the very fucking definition of competitive even if it's for fun.

Again. There's normal competition where everybody does their best to win and they have fun with it. And then there's whatever the fuck sports these days have turned into having players taking steroids and shit just to "win."

That's unhealthy competition.

It's dishonorable and unsportsmanlike.

You can play for fun and have some friendly competition.

Of course that's unhealthy. It's not true competition.

That's a crock of shit and you know it. In fact it's on oxymoron.

You call it dishonorable and unsportsmanlike but then do a 180 and say it's not true competition.

"Competition in biology, ecology, and sociology, is a contest between organisms, animals, individuals, groups, etc., for territory, a niche, or a location of resources, for resources and goods, mates, for prestige, recognition, awards, or group or social status, for leadership."

That's the internet term for competition. Wikipedia. If Wiki's not a credible source then I'll break out a paper dictionary for you. That definition can encompass just about anything. A race with a friend. A game of darts. Archery. Who can lift the most. Anything really.

So. Your term?

"True Competition?"

It's macho bullshit. There is no true competition. That's an illusion. And that's what's disfunctional about sports. The macho bullshit, the "I'm a big man on the field" attitude.

Give me a fucking break.

LOL What are you a fucking pacifist?

Steroids and hurting your opponent in a sport is wrong. Sports are sports, not war. True competition is winning honorably. Just because people avoid doing so and cheat doesn't mean cheating is true completion, don't skew what I'm saying.

Like I just told you. True competition is an illusion. There is no fucking true competition because the very definition of competition itself is a contest between people or other organisms between practically anything in a clash. It's a contest of any kind.

And no I'm not a pacifist. I like to believe that you do your best to avoid conflict as much as possible because let's face it, the feeling of pain, isn't exactly fun.

But if somebody jumps me in a fight? I will do anything necessary to end the fight as soon as possible. And that includes what people would consider breaking "honour rules" because those are an illusion, a set of viewpoints and perspectives created by people.

The same as your so called "true competition."

There is no such thing as a one, true, defining competition that stands above all others. Because if there was, then the truest form of competition would be the maximum limit it could be pushed to.

Sports are not the maximum limit to be certain.

But, then again, this argument is pointless anyway. The world spins around the way it does. And who am I to stop it? I'm just a dude in a field. Folks will always do what they do because it's their choice. And, naturally, they'll believe what they want as well. Doesn't make it any less archaic and stupid.

But the power of choice right? If we were all the same there wouldn't be any competition now would there?

By rights you could call this whole stretch of conversation a competition because of clashing viewpoints.

But is it any less of a competition than sports? Any less of a competition then two countries fighting one another for power or land?

No. It's a form of competition. Plain and simple. There is no superior competition.

And with that I say bon voyage for now. Things to do and work to be done.

Do me a favor and at least understand that as far as true competition is concerned, if there was a list and a tier of competitions written out by god or somebody, sports would be laughably low on the tier. Or if you want, stick with true competition, but be aware that true competition would likely better fit the definition of life itself. Not kicking a ball around on a field while you're boosted on drugs and playing for money, or if you're an "honourable gentlemen."

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Quote from: Verbatim on February 27, 2015, 02:42:00 PM

Because it is a pointless waste of time, money, and effort and only serves to breed a competitive mindset in youth. Competition is bad.

Competition is the reason we're the dominant species on the planet and the reason you're sitting in a warm home on a computer bitching about everything all day.

Just like how a 600+ pound fat man in a scooter is the height of competitive evolution, right?

Nope.

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I think Verb's talking about over-competitive.

No such thing. Either you win or you don't.

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You ever play chess? That's a form of competition with your buddy or your partner. It's fun to see who can outplay who especially if you're good matches. And then whoever wins, wins, and that's that. A thank you for shared fun and the challenge.

That would be playing for fun. A chess tournament would be competitive.

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But sports. You get riots and shit. "Fan loyalty."

Stupid people rioting have nothing to do with athletes and competition.

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There's natural competition and then there's stupid competition.

There's just competition.

Then please, enlighten me about hockey fights. Never mind the riots. Let's focus on the players. Getting so pissed off at each other that they deck each other upside the head with hockey sticks.

Coaches actually essentially put "hits" out on rival players. It's been done in football as well. Injure or cripple the other player and they get a pay raise on their check.

And playing for fun. Really? The goal in chess is to win. So fucking naturally, you're going to play to win. That's the very fucking definition of competitive even if it's for fun.

Again. There's normal competition where everybody does their best to win and they have fun with it. And then there's whatever the fuck sports these days have turned into having players taking steroids and shit just to "win."

That's unhealthy competition.

It's dishonorable and unsportsmanlike.

You can play for fun and have some friendly competition.

Of course that's unhealthy. It's not true competition.

That's a crock of shit and you know it. In fact it's on oxymoron.

You call it dishonorable and unsportsmanlike but then do a 180 and say it's not true competition.

"Competition in biology, ecology, and sociology, is a contest between organisms, animals, individuals, groups, etc., for territory, a niche, or a location of resources, for resources and goods, mates, for prestige, recognition, awards, or group or social status, for leadership."

That's the internet term for competition. Wikipedia. If Wiki's not a credible source then I'll break out a paper dictionary for you. That definition can encompass just about anything. A race with a friend. A game of darts. Archery. Who can lift the most. Anything really.

So. Your term?

"True Competition?"

It's macho bullshit. There is no true competition. That's an illusion. And that's what's disfunctional about sports. The macho bullshit, the "I'm a big man on the field" attitude.

Give me a fucking break.

LOL What are you a fucking pacifist?

Steroids and hurting your opponent in a sport is wrong. Sports are sports, not war. True competition is winning honorably. Just because people avoid doing so and cheat doesn't mean cheating is true completion, don't skew what I'm saying.

Like I just told you. True competition is an illusion. There is no fucking true competition because the very definition of competition itself is a contest between people or other organisms between practically anything in a clash. It's a contest of any kind.

And no I'm not a pacifist. I like to believe that you do your best to avoid conflict as much as possible because let's face it, the feeling of pain, isn't exactly fun.

But if somebody jumps me in a fight? I will do anything necessary to end the fight as soon as possible. And that includes what people would consider breaking "honour rules" because those are an illusion, a set of viewpoints and perspectives created by people.

What the fuck are you talking about? I'm talking about sports, not a street brawl. Obviously you do whatever to defend yourself.

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The same as your so called "true competition."

There is no such thing as a one, true, defining competition that stands above all others. Because if there was, then the truest form of competition would be the maximum limit it could be pushed to.

Sports are not the maximum limit to be certain.

But, then again, this argument is pointless anyway. The world spins around the way it does. And who am I to stop it? I'm just a dude in a field. Folks will always do what they do because it's their choice. And, naturally, they'll believe what they want as well. Doesn't make it any less archaic and stupid.

But the power of choice right? If we were all the same there wouldn't be any competition now would there?

By rights you could call this whole stretch of conversation a competition because of clashing viewpoints.

But is it any less of a competition than sports? Any less of a competition then two countries fighting one another for power or land?

No. It's a form of competition. Plain and simple. There is no superior competition.

And with that I say bon voyage for now. Things to do and work to be done.

Do me a favor and at least understand that as far as true competition is concerned, if there was a list and a tier of competitions written out by god or somebody, sports would be laughably low on the tier. Or if you want, stick with true competition, but be aware that true competition would likely better fit the definition of life itself. Not kicking a ball around on a field while you're boosted on drugs and playing for money, or if you're an "honourable gentlemen."

"True competition" means fair and honorable competition. I'm not talking about raw fighting and accomplishing your objective at all costs.

We're talking sports. Let's either stay on topic or just whatever.

Right, going off tangent here, straying into philosophy.

Heyo, I've played sports before. And there's no reason, no sane, practical, logical reason that somebody can't do something in a competitive nature and have fun. There's no reason why you can't have fun, while being competitive and call it competitive because of the simple universal definition of competition.

And folks can do what they like. I mean some sports can be genuinely fun to be sure.

But look at the culture they spawn. Look at the people that play them and how absolutely ridiculous things have become. You know what? It's almost on parallel with the internet.

Everybody has their serious hats on over sports when you don't need to take it seriously. In fact you don't have to take competition seriously to still compete and give it your best. You don't have to get upset and beat the shit out of other players or be a fan and start a riot because your fucking team lost.

And that's the problem. It's not so much the sports as it is the wrong kind of emphasis they encourage on the wrong kind of competition these days.

To put it best, this dude sums it up best.

Bryz!!!!

Bryzgalov is the man.