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Ego death is a "complete loss of subjective self-identity." The term is used in various intertwined contexts, with related meanings. In Jungian psychology the synonymous term psychic death is used, which refers to a fundamental transformation of the psyche.

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Yes, I've seen my friend deep in a Ketamine trip, ego death is very real and realy creepy. It  was just a total loss of identity on their part.

Yeah, of course. If somebody loses their memories, their likes and dislikes, their beliefs and convictions, and have them replaced them with other, different ones, then who they used to be can be considered dead.

That sounds legitimately terrifying. Why would anyone want that?

In (descriptions of) psychedelic experiences, the term is used synonymously with ego-loss,[7][8][1][9] to refer to (temporary) loss of one's sense of self due to the use of psychedelics.

I don't see how anyone could weigh the risks in such a way where they just ignore them. That is way too scary for me to even entertain the idea of trying.

I'm not sure if people do it intentionally, it's more a byproduct of taking too much psychedelics.

it's definitely real.

Quote from: Ian on February 14, 2017, 09:24:28 PM

I don't see how anyone could weigh the risks in such a way where they just ignore them. That is way too scary for me to even entertain the idea of trying.

Quote from: Skaterloo on February 14, 2017, 09:23:05 PM

I'm not sure if people do it intentionally, it's more a byproduct of taking too much psychedelics.

Yeah everytime I've witnessed it, it didn't seem like fun. Having no idea who you are and what's going on around you, just a constant state of confusion, gives me the chills just thinking about it.

I don't think that's ego death. Ego death is when you lose your sense of self in recognizing you are nothing more than a small piece in a bigger whole. I guess taken to an extreme, it's like a man realizing he's in a hive mind and surrendering to it.

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Quote from: Ian on February 14, 2017, 09:24:28 PM

I don't see how anyone could weigh the risks in such a way where they just ignore them. That is way too scary for me to even entertain the idea of trying.

Quote from: Skaterloo on February 14, 2017, 09:23:05 PM

I'm not sure if people do it intentionally, it's more a byproduct of taking too much psychedelics.

Yeah everytime I've witnessed it, it didn't seem like fun. Having no idea who you are and what's going on around you, just a constant state of confusion, gives me the chills just thinking about it.

I don't think that's ego death. Ego death is when you lose your sense of self in recognizing you are nothing more than a small piece in a bigger whole. I guess taken to an extreme, it's like a man realizing he's in a hive mind and surrendering to it.

I've definitely seen it happen on both a mixture of DXM and Acid, and on Ketamine. It was described by my friend that he felt like he was a small dot in a large empty space, he could literally feel himself shrinking in reality. I find dissociatives extremely interesting, in that it literally disconnects your brain from the rest of your body and it just kinda leaves you in a state of consciousness and unconsciousness at the same time. You're basically experiencing your brain functioning in dead space, creepy...But I remember watching two friends deep in a k hole and its just kinda like watching two completely limp people in a state of conscious limbo. They can't speak, they just kinda moan and lay there, crazy stuff!

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Quote from: Skaterloo on February 14, 2017, 09:25:59 PM

Quote from: Ian on February 14, 2017, 09:24:28 PM

I don't see how anyone could weigh the risks in such a way where they just ignore them. That is way too scary for me to even entertain the idea of trying.

Quote from: Skaterloo on February 14, 2017, 09:23:05 PM

I'm not sure if people do it intentionally, it's more a byproduct of taking too much psychedelics.

Yeah everytime I've witnessed it, it didn't seem like fun. Having no idea who you are and what's going on around you, just a constant state of confusion, gives me the chills just thinking about it.

I don't think that's ego death. Ego death is when you lose your sense of self in recognizing you are nothing more than a small piece in a bigger whole. I guess taken to an extreme, it's like a man realizing he's in a hive mind and surrendering to it.

I've definitely seen it happen on both a mixture of DXM and Acid, and on Ketamine. It was described by my friend that he felt like he was a small dot in a large empty space, he could literally feel himself shrinking in reality. I find dissociatives extremely interesting, in that it literally disconnects your brain from the rest of your body and it just kinda leaves you in a state of consciousness and unconsciousness at the same time. You're basically experiencing your brain functioning in dead space, creepy...But I remember watching two friends deep in a k hole and its just kinda like watching two completely limp people in a state of conscious limbo. They can't speak, they just kinda moan and lay there, crazy stuff!

Again, I'm not sure that's it. People come through it changed. Or at least they claim to be, hence this thread.

From what I have been told, they see the big picture, the REAL big picture and emerge with no sense of self. They can only exist afterwards with that picture and their role in it. The sense of self importance is gone. You would think that it's just another way to feel self important, by highlighting the self importance of others, but people who claim to be on the other side say they take no joy in it, and would go back if they could

I ego deathed off a Bud light

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Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on February 14, 2017, 10:48:35 PM

Quote from: Skaterloo on February 14, 2017, 09:25:59 PM

Quote from: Ian on February 14, 2017, 09:24:28 PM

I don't see how anyone could weigh the risks in such a way where they just ignore them. That is way too scary for me to even entertain the idea of trying.

Quote from: Skaterloo on February 14, 2017, 09:23:05 PM

I'm not sure if people do it intentionally, it's more a byproduct of taking too much psychedelics.

Yeah everytime I've witnessed it, it didn't seem like fun. Having no idea who you are and what's going on around you, just a constant state of confusion, gives me the chills just thinking about it.

I don't think that's ego death. Ego death is when you lose your sense of self in recognizing you are nothing more than a small piece in a bigger whole. I guess taken to an extreme, it's like a man realizing he's in a hive mind and surrendering to it.

I've definitely seen it happen on both a mixture of DXM and Acid, and on Ketamine. It was described by my friend that he felt like he was a small dot in a large empty space, he could literally feel himself shrinking in reality. I find dissociatives extremely interesting, in that it literally disconnects your brain from the rest of your body and it just kinda leaves you in a state of consciousness and unconsciousness at the same time. You're basically experiencing your brain functioning in dead space, creepy...But I remember watching two friends deep in a k hole and its just kinda like watching two completely limp people in a state of conscious limbo. They can't speak, they just kinda moan and lay there, crazy stuff!

Again, I'm not sure that's it. People come through it changed. Or at least they claim to be, hence this thread.

From what I have been told, they see the big picture, the REAL big picture and emerge with no sense of self. They can only exist afterwards with that picture and their role in it. The sense of self importance is gone. You would think that it's just another way to feel self important, by highlighting the self importance of others, but people who claim to be on the other side say they take no joy in it, and would go back if they could

I just don't understand which definition you're using for ego death. You claimed earlier the definition encompassing a transformation of the psyche, yet you seem to use the variant of the word described in mythology tales where a hero would be depicted as experiencing ego death in the cycle of birth/rebirth and coming out with complete surrender and transition. I wouldn't exactly use this monomyth to compare to psychedelic ego death's, although I'm sure the premise of ego death in mythology served as the basis for ego death in psychedelics. I personally believe in ego death because of the trips I've seen, from 12 grams of shrooms (dry) to about 1000mg of DXM, and all have recounted similar stories, but I've personally never experienced it so I cant say so definitively, but it's still an interesting subject to explore. If you really want to know if it exists you should try to experience it yourself

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As for why? Honestly, why wouldn't you want to experience that? You're no longer yourself, you don't have to be tied down and forced into self-perceiving an identity you don't want.

when you attempt to answer your own rhetorical question, your answer should actually answer the question

not reinforce someone's hatred of the idea you're attempting to defend

because what you just said is exactly why you shouldn't want to experience that

Why is it so hard for you to understand that some people enjoy perceiving reality in unfamiliar ways?

because you're risking and/or wasting your entire fucking life, health, sanity, etc.

Why is it so hard for YOU to understand that? Why is it so hard for you to understand that sobriety is the only way?

But you're wrong about this. Some drugs, not all mind you, can be safely used. If done properly, you aren't risking anything.

Hence my addition of the word "wasting."

Regardless of whether you're risking your life, it's still a waste of time. It's still stupid as fuck.

There's absolutely no way out of it--you're a fucking moron if you use any drug ever for recreational purposes.

That sounds legitimately terrifying. Why would anyone want that?

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In (descriptions of) psychedelic experiences, the term is used synonymously with ego-loss,[7][8][1][9] to refer to (temporary) loss of one's sense of self due to the use of psychedelics.

It's more so the loss of individual identity. The sense of self is often said to sort of expand actually, to things beyond the body or the mind. Which is where you get people's accounts of experiencing 'oneness' with the universe or reality.

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In (descriptions of) psychedelic experiences, the term is used synonymously with ego-loss,[7][8][1][9] to refer to (temporary) loss of one's sense of self due to the use of psychedelics.

That sounds legitimately terrifying. Why would anyone want that?

It's more so the loss of individual identity. The sense of self is often said to sort of expand actually, to things beyond the body or the mind. Which is where you get people's accounts of experiencing 'oneness' with the universe or reality.

If you were trying to answer his question, you didn't do that.

I was trying to clarify what ego death is, not answer why one would want to experience it.

Quote from: Verbatim on February 15, 2017, 01:18:20 PM

There's absolutely no way out of it--you're a fucking moron if you use any drug ever for recreational purposes.

Also, I want to point out that generally people don't go looking to experience ego death for recreation. It's more so a spiritual process for people.

If you try to induce ego death with the intent of 'having fun' then you're making a mistake.

I agree, I've never heard anyone say "I cant wait to experience ego death", it's usually just a side effect brought up unintentionally.