Quote from: Loaf on January 20, 2015, 01:31:45 AM

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Considering I play piano and write my own music, I'd say pretty safely I actually like music.

yeah, if you don't listen to a lot of styles of music then your artistic endeavors have no value.

Quote from: Rocketman287 on January 20, 2015, 12:47:29 AM

I enjoy making music myself. So yeah, music is great.

same goes for you.

playing music does not equal appreciating music.

Oh, so classical pianist have no value? While they play the hardest piano pieces ever written to large, wealthy audiences in the best music halls in the world?

So, if writing music, playing music, listening to music, LOVING music isn't enough, then how do I truly "appreciate" music?

Literally the complexity of music has no bearing on how good it is. This is just an emotionally driven opinionated rant by you.

While you do kinda have a point about complexity and quality, a good amount of simple music is shit. There's a reason pop music is shit. 4 chords and the same song structure will only get you so much.

I have no idea why you're bringing up pop music. It has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

Quote from: Mad Max on January 20, 2015, 01:33:09 AM

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Quote from: Loaf on January 20, 2015, 01:19:19 AM

Quote from: aTALLmidget on January 20, 2015, 01:15:26 AM

Considering I play piano and write my own music, I'd say pretty safely I actually like music.

yeah, if you don't listen to a lot of styles of music then your artistic endeavors have no value.

Quote from: Rocketman287 on January 20, 2015, 12:47:29 AM

I enjoy making music myself. So yeah, music is great.

same goes for you.

playing music does not equal appreciating music.

Oh, so classical pianist have no value? While they play the hardest piano pieces ever written to large, wealthy audiences in the best music halls in the world?

So, if writing music, playing music, listening to music, LOVING music isn't enough, then how do I truly "appreciate" music?

Literally the complexity of music has no bearing on how good it is. This is just an emotionally driven opinionated rant by you.

While you do kinda have a point about complexity and quality, a good amount of simple music is shit. There's a reason pop music is shit. 4 chords and the same song structure will only get you so much.

yep

Indeed.

There's a reason pop music sells so well - because it's simple. You're selling your product to the lowest common denominator. The more complex you make it, the more listeners you lose. You want something everyone can tap their feet to, sing the chorus too, and get drunk and dance to. There's no value or quality in the song itself; it could literally be about anything and people would be none the wiser. Case in point: Hook


The song is literally about nothing. The lyrics are just commentary about how simple the song is.

Quote from: Rocketman287 on January 20, 2015, 01:33:51 AM

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Quote from: Loaf on January 20, 2015, 01:31:45 AM

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Quote from: Loaf on January 20, 2015, 01:19:19 AM

Quote from: aTALLmidget on January 20, 2015, 01:15:26 AM

Considering I play piano and write my own music, I'd say pretty safely I actually like music.

yeah, if you don't listen to a lot of styles of music then your artistic endeavors have no value.

Quote from: Rocketman287 on January 20, 2015, 12:47:29 AM

I enjoy making music myself. So yeah, music is great.

same goes for you.

playing music does not equal appreciating music.

Oh, so classical pianist have no value? While they play the hardest piano pieces ever written to large, wealthy audiences in the best music halls in the world?

So, if writing music, playing music, listening to music, LOVING music isn't enough, then how do I truly "appreciate" music?

Literally the complexity of music has no bearing on how good it is. This is just an emotionally driven opinionated rant by you.

While you do kinda have a point about complexity and quality, a good amount of simple music is shit. There's a reason pop music is shit. 4 chords and the same song structure will only get you so much.

yep

Indeed.

There's a reason pop music sells so well - because it's simple. You're selling your product to the lowest common denominator. The more complex you make it, the more listeners you lose. You want something everyone can tap their feet to, sing the chorus too, and get drunk and dance to. There's no value or quality in the song itself; it could literally be about anything and people would be none the wiser. Case in point: Hook

YouTube

The song is literally about nothing. The lyrics are just nonsense phrases.

No one gives a fuck about pop music. No one was talking about pop music. Do you think that I care about pop music? I don't. I said that complexity has no bearing on the value of music. I didn't say anything about pop music being good. It's not good. You don't need to randomly drag that discussion into here out of the blue.

Quote from: Rocketman287 on January 20, 2015, 01:33:51 AM

Quote from: Mad Max on January 20, 2015, 01:33:09 AM

Quote from: Loaf on January 20, 2015, 01:31:45 AM

Quote from: aTALLmidget on January 20, 2015, 01:21:45 AM

Quote from: Loaf on January 20, 2015, 01:19:19 AM

Quote from: aTALLmidget on January 20, 2015, 01:15:26 AM

Considering I play piano and write my own music, I'd say pretty safely I actually like music.

yeah, if you don't listen to a lot of styles of music then your artistic endeavors have no value.

Quote from: Rocketman287 on January 20, 2015, 12:47:29 AM

I enjoy making music myself. So yeah, music is great.

same goes for you.

playing music does not equal appreciating music.

Oh, so classical pianist have no value? While they play the hardest piano pieces ever written to large, wealthy audiences in the best music halls in the world?

So, if writing music, playing music, listening to music, LOVING music isn't enough, then how do I truly "appreciate" music?

Literally the complexity of music has no bearing on how good it is. This is just an emotionally driven opinionated rant by you.

While you do kinda have a point about complexity and quality, a good amount of simple music is shit. There's a reason pop music is shit. 4 chords and the same song structure will only get you so much.

yep

Indeed.

There's a reason pop music sells so well - because it's simple. You're selling your product to the lowest common denominator. The more complex you make it, the more listeners you lose. You want something everyone can tap their feet to, sing the chorus too, and get drunk and dance to. There's no value or quality in the song itself; it could literally be about anything and people would be none the wiser. Case in point: Hook

YouTube

The song is literally about nothing. The lyrics are just commentary about how simple the song is.

Yeah, but Max, its blues traveler so it has to be good.

Quote from: Mad Max on January 20, 2015, 01:37:07 AM

Quote from: Rocketman287 on January 20, 2015, 01:33:51 AM

Quote from: Mad Max on January 20, 2015, 01:33:09 AM

Quote from: Loaf on January 20, 2015, 01:31:45 AM

Quote from: aTALLmidget on January 20, 2015, 01:21:45 AM

Quote from: Loaf on January 20, 2015, 01:19:19 AM

Quote from: aTALLmidget on January 20, 2015, 01:15:26 AM

Considering I play piano and write my own music, I'd say pretty safely I actually like music.

yeah, if you don't listen to a lot of styles of music then your artistic endeavors have no value.

Quote from: Rocketman287 on January 20, 2015, 12:47:29 AM

I enjoy making music myself. So yeah, music is great.

same goes for you.

playing music does not equal appreciating music.

Oh, so classical pianist have no value? While they play the hardest piano pieces ever written to large, wealthy audiences in the best music halls in the world?

So, if writing music, playing music, listening to music, LOVING music isn't enough, then how do I truly "appreciate" music?

Literally the complexity of music has no bearing on how good it is. This is just an emotionally driven opinionated rant by you.

While you do kinda have a point about complexity and quality, a good amount of simple music is shit. There's a reason pop music is shit. 4 chords and the same song structure will only get you so much.

yep

Indeed.

There's a reason pop music sells so well - because it's simple. You're selling your product to the lowest common denominator. The more complex you make it, the more listeners you lose. You want something everyone can tap their feet to, sing the chorus too, and get drunk and dance to. There's no value or quality in the song itself; it could literally be about anything and people would be none the wiser. Case in point: Hook

YouTube

The song is literally about nothing. The lyrics are just nonsense phrases.

No one gives a fuck about pop music. No one was talking about pop music. Do you think that I care about pop music? I don't. I said that complexity has no bearing on the value of music. I didn't say anything about pop music being good. It's not good. You don't need to randomly drag that discussion into here out of the blue.

Oh, I don't disagree. I was just expanding. I guess it wasn't really directed at you.

It is relevant, though. Complexity does play a part in quality.

Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on January 20, 2015, 01:35:10 AM

itt: Loaf out pretentious /mu/fags Jim.

No wonder Jim loves Loaf, they're samefags

eh, I'd believe it.

No, I'm the one fucking person on Earth who doesn't like music.

Depends if it's pure or not.

I love music and I listen to a very broad range of tunes. I like listening to it when performing other tasks, such as playing a game or exercising (especially exercising, it really pumps me up). But sometimes I'll just listen to it on its own.

music is a pretty cool guy. Eh, makes noise and doesnt afraid of anything.

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Quote from: Verbatim on January 20, 2015, 12:31:27 AM

i fucking hate music

There is something VERY VERY wrong with you.

you're the fucking idiot who can't tell that i'm not being serious, guy

I cant tell because all you do is fucking yell around how much you hate everything.

Music permeates almost every part of my life, so yes. I appreciate music.

No, I'm the one fucking person on Earth who doesn't like music.

So verbatim is your alt?

I tend to mostly listen to music while doing something. Depending on the type of music I'm listening to, I can really enjoy just listening to music for the sake of listening to music.

Can you put on your headphones and just sit there and listen to an entire album without getting bored?

I don't like listening to music if I can't pay attention to it.
I like seeing what techniques are used where and noticing little embellishments put in by the musicians. There's often tiny details in songs that make me enjoy them 10x more.