it's hard for me to imagine someone not doing this, to where i'd be inclined to believe that someone who claims that they don't is either lying, or they just don't understand what it means to have an inner voice, because it wasn't explained to them properly—they might be interpreting the question as "do you hear voices" or "are you schizophrenic" or somethingi even listen to music in my head, which is why i never found it necessary to get an mp3 player or anything like that as a kid—and to this day, i still think listening to music with your phone is a little strange—because what's the point if i can just play back any song i want in my head at will
Quote from: Verbatim on October 11, 2018, 03:10:46 PMit's hard for me to imagine someone not doing this, to where i'd be inclined to believe that someone who claims that they don't is either lying, or they just don't understand what it means to have an inner voice, because it wasn't explained to them properly—they might be interpreting the question as "do you hear voices" or "are you schizophrenic" or somethingi even listen to music in my head, which is why i never found it necessary to get an mp3 player or anything like that as a kid—and to this day, i still think listening to music with your phone is a little strange—because what's the point if i can just play back any song i want in my head at willSee I though about that as well, that they just didn't understand what it meant to have an "inner voice," but then I considered the idea of someone who was never taught any language at all. Like a hypothetical "raised by animals" child. I wonder what thoughts would be like for them.Also, regarding your point about music, why then would you ever listen to a song again if you can remember the entire thing? While I do play songs in my head, and in fact I almost always have at least one song or another stuck in it, actually hearing music triggers a greater emotional response for me.
And I’ve met very few individuals, probably like 5 my whole life, who I really believe don’t have it at all. They’re so interesting. It’s like their entire life is purely instinctual. Every action, word, etc all come from a place of instinct and not thought.
Quote from: Carmen on October 11, 2018, 08:26:28 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 11, 2018, 03:10:46 PMit's hard for me to imagine someone not doing this, to where i'd be inclined to believe that someone who claims that they don't is either lying, or they just don't understand what it means to have an inner voice, because it wasn't explained to them properly—they might be interpreting the question as "do you hear voices" or "are you schizophrenic" or somethingi even listen to music in my head, which is why i never found it necessary to get an mp3 player or anything like that as a kid—and to this day, i still think listening to music with your phone is a little strange—because what's the point if i can just play back any song i want in my head at will"anyone who doesnt agree with me is lying", classicyour drug addled brain is incapable of thought
Quote from: Verbatim on October 11, 2018, 03:10:46 PMit's hard for me to imagine someone not doing this, to where i'd be inclined to believe that someone who claims that they don't is either lying, or they just don't understand what it means to have an inner voice, because it wasn't explained to them properly—they might be interpreting the question as "do you hear voices" or "are you schizophrenic" or somethingi even listen to music in my head, which is why i never found it necessary to get an mp3 player or anything like that as a kid—and to this day, i still think listening to music with your phone is a little strange—because what's the point if i can just play back any song i want in my head at will"anyone who doesnt agree with me is lying", classic
Quote from: Carmen on October 11, 2018, 08:26:28 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 11, 2018, 03:10:46 PMit's hard for me to imagine someone not doing this, to where i'd be inclined to believe that someone who claims that they don't is either lying, or they just don't understand what it means to have an inner voice, because it wasn't explained to them properly—they might be interpreting the question as "do you hear voices" or "are you schizophrenic" or somethingi even listen to music in my head, which is why i never found it necessary to get an mp3 player or anything like that as a kid—and to this day, i still think listening to music with your phone is a little strange—because what's the point if i can just play back any song i want in my head at will"anyone who doesnt agree with me is lying", classicwe're not talking about agreeing or disagreeing with thingswe're talking about doing or not doing thingsthank you for admitting that you must be one of these smooth-brained fucks who doesn't think in language
Quote from: Verbatim on October 11, 2018, 09:23:44 PMQuote from: Carmen on October 11, 2018, 08:26:28 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 11, 2018, 03:10:46 PMit's hard for me to imagine someone not doing this, to where i'd be inclined to believe that someone who claims that they don't is either lying, or they just don't understand what it means to have an inner voice, because it wasn't explained to them properly—they might be interpreting the question as "do you hear voices" or "are you schizophrenic" or somethingi even listen to music in my head, which is why i never found it necessary to get an mp3 player or anything like that as a kid—and to this day, i still think listening to music with your phone is a little strange—because what's the point if i can just play back any song i want in my head at will"anyone who doesnt agree with me is lying", classicwe're not talking about agreeing or disagreeing with thingswe're talking about doing or not doing thingsthank you for admitting that you must be one of these smooth-brained fucks who doesn't think in languageNo, I have an inner voicebut everyone is differentit's very egotistical to believe that your experience = everyone's
Quote from: Carmen on October 11, 2018, 09:31:43 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 11, 2018, 09:23:44 PMQuote from: Carmen on October 11, 2018, 08:26:28 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 11, 2018, 03:10:46 PMit's hard for me to imagine someone not doing this, to where i'd be inclined to believe that someone who claims that they don't is either lying, or they just don't understand what it means to have an inner voice, because it wasn't explained to them properly—they might be interpreting the question as "do you hear voices" or "are you schizophrenic" or somethingi even listen to music in my head, which is why i never found it necessary to get an mp3 player or anything like that as a kid—and to this day, i still think listening to music with your phone is a little strange—because what's the point if i can just play back any song i want in my head at will"anyone who doesnt agree with me is lying", classicwe're not talking about agreeing or disagreeing with thingswe're talking about doing or not doing thingsthank you for admitting that you must be one of these smooth-brained fucks who doesn't think in languageNo, I have an inner voicebut everyone is differentit's very egotistical to believe that your experience = everyone'sit would be egotistical if that were my only reason for thinking it must be everyone else's experiencebut it isn't, you're just retarded
Quote from: Verbatim on October 11, 2018, 10:09:10 PMQuote from: Carmen on October 11, 2018, 09:31:43 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 11, 2018, 09:23:44 PMQuote from: Carmen on October 11, 2018, 08:26:28 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 11, 2018, 03:10:46 PMit's hard for me to imagine someone not doing this, to where i'd be inclined to believe that someone who claims that they don't is either lying, or they just don't understand what it means to have an inner voice, because it wasn't explained to them properly—they might be interpreting the question as "do you hear voices" or "are you schizophrenic" or somethingi even listen to music in my head, which is why i never found it necessary to get an mp3 player or anything like that as a kid—and to this day, i still think listening to music with your phone is a little strange—because what's the point if i can just play back any song i want in my head at will"anyone who doesnt agree with me is lying", classicwe're not talking about agreeing or disagreeing with thingswe're talking about doing or not doing thingsthank you for admitting that you must be one of these smooth-brained fucks who doesn't think in languageNo, I have an inner voicebut everyone is differentit's very egotistical to believe that your experience = everyone'sit would be egotistical if that were my only reason for thinking it must be everyone else's experiencebut it isn't, you're just retardedliterally what other reason could you possibly have
Quote from: Carmen on October 11, 2018, 10:51:42 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 11, 2018, 10:09:10 PMQuote from: Carmen on October 11, 2018, 09:31:43 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 11, 2018, 09:23:44 PMQuote from: Carmen on October 11, 2018, 08:26:28 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 11, 2018, 03:10:46 PMit's hard for me to imagine someone not doing this, to where i'd be inclined to believe that someone who claims that they don't is either lying, or they just don't understand what it means to have an inner voice, because it wasn't explained to them properly—they might be interpreting the question as "do you hear voices" or "are you schizophrenic" or somethingi even listen to music in my head, which is why i never found it necessary to get an mp3 player or anything like that as a kid—and to this day, i still think listening to music with your phone is a little strange—because what's the point if i can just play back any song i want in my head at will"anyone who doesnt agree with me is lying", classicwe're not talking about agreeing or disagreeing with thingswe're talking about doing or not doing thingsthank you for admitting that you must be one of these smooth-brained fucks who doesn't think in languageNo, I have an inner voicebut everyone is differentit's very egotistical to believe that your experience = everyone'sit would be egotistical if that were my only reason for thinking it must be everyone else's experiencebut it isn't, you're just retardedliterally what other reason could you possibly havethink REALLY REALLY hard
Quote from: Verbatim on October 11, 2018, 11:13:44 PMQuote from: Carmen on October 11, 2018, 10:51:42 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 11, 2018, 10:09:10 PMQuote from: Carmen on October 11, 2018, 09:31:43 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 11, 2018, 09:23:44 PMQuote from: Carmen on October 11, 2018, 08:26:28 PMQuote from: Verbatim on October 11, 2018, 03:10:46 PMit's hard for me to imagine someone not doing this, to where i'd be inclined to believe that someone who claims that they don't is either lying, or they just don't understand what it means to have an inner voice, because it wasn't explained to them properly—they might be interpreting the question as "do you hear voices" or "are you schizophrenic" or somethingi even listen to music in my head, which is why i never found it necessary to get an mp3 player or anything like that as a kid—and to this day, i still think listening to music with your phone is a little strange—because what's the point if i can just play back any song i want in my head at will"anyone who doesnt agree with me is lying", classicwe're not talking about agreeing or disagreeing with thingswe're talking about doing or not doing thingsthank you for admitting that you must be one of these smooth-brained fucks who doesn't think in languageNo, I have an inner voicebut everyone is differentit's very egotistical to believe that your experience = everyone'sit would be egotistical if that were my only reason for thinking it must be everyone else's experiencebut it isn't, you're just retardedliterally what other reason could you possibly havethink REALLY REALLY hardNah don't play the game where you make me come up with your answeradmit you're basing this accusation of mass lying off your own personal experience and nothing more
Well, yeah. Proof of it is that people think in their own language.
So just a typical alpha vs beta argument from you, no surprise there. Just because someone thinks differently doesn't mean you can classify them as an "NPC". I've never even heard of the meme, which should show you that it's not a healthy way to think.And I'm more getting on Verb for saying that those who claim they don't have an inner monologue are LYING. He makes this grand statement about a whole class of people and thinks he's so in the right, they have to be lying to fucking disagree.
I'm sure most of you have seen the NPC meme that's gained prominence lately, which is basically just the idea of a philosophical zombie that has been around for a long time, and it's mainly just used as a way to poke fun at people with ideas or interests someone doesn't like.Something I've heard when people have discussed it, however, is the idea of an "inner voice," which is basically just a person's tendency to speak to themselves within their own mind when thinking. Apparently some people claim that they don't do this and it just sounds really strange to me.Maybe it's because I'm an introverted person, but I'm constantly "talking" to myself in my head when I think about something. Do people really just not use at least some form of language in their mind to define concepts when they are contemplating something? I suppose it's entirely possible.
Quote from: Aether on October 11, 2018, 02:48:17 PMI'm sure most of you have seen the NPC meme that's gained prominence lately, which is basically just the idea of a philosophical zombie that has been around for a long time, and it's mainly just used as a way to poke fun at people with ideas or interests someone doesn't like.Something I've heard when people have discussed it, however, is the idea of an "inner voice," which is basically just a person's tendency to speak to themselves within their own mind when thinking. Apparently some people claim that they don't do this and it just sounds really strange to me.Maybe it's because I'm an introverted person, but I'm constantly "talking" to myself in my head when I think about something. Do people really just not use at least some form of language in their mind to define concepts when they are contemplating something? I suppose it's entirely possible.If I'm thinking about something regarding language like a movie quote, a book, preparing something I am about to say or write (like now) then I would say I have an inner voice.Typically, though, my thoughts are more like flashes of visual memory + emotions + some other random sense. When I think, it's more like some kind of simulation in my head. For instance: the apartment above me recently leaked a shit ton of water down into one of my walls and it is growing mold; it will need to be replaced.When I think about this, I don't think the words "water damage" or "mold", I imagine in my head the stains on the wall and the green bits of slime, where they are in my apartment, and get a feeling of dread as I imagine the stack of papers in my closet that has my insurance information on it. I can see myself on the phone, pacing around my apartment talking to someone about it and then I switch to a vision of repair guys moving around my washer / dryer so they can get at the warped wall.Through all that, I may hear English words for things I don't have a solid mental image of like "insurance", but it's a very minor part of it.On the regular, though, I don't tend to think in a language and I don't usually hear a mental "voice". Again, not saying I don't have one at all; I just only really hear it when I'm remembering something spoken or read or when I'm actively trying to prepare or think in English.Dunno if that makes sense or is much different from the norm.
But I also considered the idea of someone who was never taught any language, and I wonder what their capacity to contemplate certain ideas is like.