All the recent vegan talks gets me thinking a little bit. I've always favored constructing myself a greenhouse so I can grow proper food up here. I wouldn't say I'm exactly the biggest "fan" of meat. I mean I enjoy well cooked stuff, seasonings and all that. But that's a rarity for me.

Most of the food I eat is a mix of everything. Mostly greens and that, and usually bits of meat on the side. I do figure, as I go along, I'd like to try and minimize that. More than I already do. But that's extremely difficult up here. Especially if you're relying on the stores to sell you greens.

Because they sell you bullshit. Which is why I come back to my greenhouse point.

Anyway Verb, I have a question for you. Most of my family has the same stance on things. We enjoy meat, but it's a shame that some critter has to be offed in the process. And we hate buying from the stores because we know how store meat, previously belonging to animals, is treated.

Both the meat itself and the animals.

My sister and her husband, who is more meat inclined, does something different however. We're scavengers. There are hunters up here, who only hunt for trophies. They will literally kill an elk, or a moose, saw its head off, and leave the rest there.

It's an absolute waste. And that's where they get 90% of their meat from. The same can be said of somebody else I know. He's even worse, if you want to say. He scavenges roadkill. I'm not trying to justify anything here.

But I'm curious. What's your stance on something like that? The animal is already dead, and otherwise, left to waste. If not, just left as a trap for more animals to show up and get shot or ran over.

How would you categorize that in terms of morality, since we're bringing up the point of being immoral?

Oh, you were trying to make a thread.

I think my initial response in your oops-post answers this adequately.

In short, it's a waste of life no matter what you do with it.
You can try to argue that using it for food is a "better" use of it, but is it really? We have the marketplace.

Oh, you were trying to make a thread.

I think my initial response in your oops-post answers this adequately.

In short, it's a waste of life no matter what you do with it.
You can try to argue that using it for food is a "better" use of it, but is it really? We have the marketplace.

As I said. Not trying to justify it. And like I said. It's a total waste either way. And the marketplace?

Verb if you know me in any sense I'm about as opposed to the marketplace as you can get. And you of all people should know why, and understand that. The marketplace is not something you can rely on. At all. Not up here. Nor anywhere, frankly.

However. God dammnit. All over the place this morning. It is a waste of life, yes. But we've always held the belief that it's less of a waste if you do something with it. You don't just cut off the head and leave a corpse. You take everything. Use the meat for food. Use the fur for material. Use the bones for material.

It doesn't equate to the loss of life or bring it back.

But it's not being disrespectful to the loss, by selectively only choosing one singular thing. You took a life. Or in our case, somebody else did. We, are trying our best not to squander that loss by letting everything else go to waste so carelessly.

Thoughts on that?