Quote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 10:18:47 PMQuote from: Camnator on January 19, 2015, 10:15:14 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 10:12:24 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:43:50 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 09:41:23 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:38:36 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 09:35:28 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:33:21 PMQuote from: Mad Max on January 19, 2015, 09:32:12 PMIt's really obvious who does and does not understand transgenderism and related trans issues.If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally a good idea not to debate about it.This isn't a debate, it's a discussion. Transgenders who embrace the disorder are sick. They have no place in a civilized society.And how does someone being transgender negatively affect anybody else?Something doesn't have to affect others to be sick or idiotic. Transgenders have a disorder, simple as that, and it should be treated, not embraced.If it doesn't affect you in any way, why do you care? What possible purpose would it serve other than wasting society's time?And why do I care? The main reason is that I'm a somewhat ethical person.Either this is bait or you're really that deplorable. ._.The rest of your argument completely contradicts that, though. If you were ethical, you really wouldn't care. It has nothing to do with you, does not affect you or anyone else in any way... it's completely unethical to punish something that's harmless and morally acceptable.HAAHAHAHAA!!! You just said cops are fine when they arrest people for cannabis! Dang, sometimes you people amaze me at how quickly you prove yourselves wrong.That's completely irrelevant, and not to mention incorrect.It's more than relevant, as it discredits you as a hypocrite since you contradicted yourself. It's not at all incorrect, either.These are direct quotes from you..."it's completely unethical to punish something that's harmless and morally acceptable.""Regardless of whether it's unjust, they're not necessarily wrong for doing their jobs unless it strongly violates moral boundaries or their own conscience.""Arresting someone for having drugs is hardly deplorable compared to, I don't know, beating peaceful protesters with nightsticks"Thanks for making it easy.
Quote from: Camnator on January 19, 2015, 10:15:14 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 10:12:24 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:43:50 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 09:41:23 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:38:36 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 09:35:28 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:33:21 PMQuote from: Mad Max on January 19, 2015, 09:32:12 PMIt's really obvious who does and does not understand transgenderism and related trans issues.If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally a good idea not to debate about it.This isn't a debate, it's a discussion. Transgenders who embrace the disorder are sick. They have no place in a civilized society.And how does someone being transgender negatively affect anybody else?Something doesn't have to affect others to be sick or idiotic. Transgenders have a disorder, simple as that, and it should be treated, not embraced.If it doesn't affect you in any way, why do you care? What possible purpose would it serve other than wasting society's time?And why do I care? The main reason is that I'm a somewhat ethical person.Either this is bait or you're really that deplorable. ._.The rest of your argument completely contradicts that, though. If you were ethical, you really wouldn't care. It has nothing to do with you, does not affect you or anyone else in any way... it's completely unethical to punish something that's harmless and morally acceptable.HAAHAHAHAA!!! You just said cops are fine when they arrest people for cannabis! Dang, sometimes you people amaze me at how quickly you prove yourselves wrong.That's completely irrelevant, and not to mention incorrect.
Quote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 10:12:24 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:43:50 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 09:41:23 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:38:36 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 09:35:28 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:33:21 PMQuote from: Mad Max on January 19, 2015, 09:32:12 PMIt's really obvious who does and does not understand transgenderism and related trans issues.If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally a good idea not to debate about it.This isn't a debate, it's a discussion. Transgenders who embrace the disorder are sick. They have no place in a civilized society.And how does someone being transgender negatively affect anybody else?Something doesn't have to affect others to be sick or idiotic. Transgenders have a disorder, simple as that, and it should be treated, not embraced.If it doesn't affect you in any way, why do you care? What possible purpose would it serve other than wasting society's time?And why do I care? The main reason is that I'm a somewhat ethical person.Either this is bait or you're really that deplorable. ._.The rest of your argument completely contradicts that, though. If you were ethical, you really wouldn't care. It has nothing to do with you, does not affect you or anyone else in any way... it's completely unethical to punish something that's harmless and morally acceptable.HAAHAHAHAA!!! You just said cops are fine when they arrest people for cannabis! Dang, sometimes you people amaze me at how quickly you prove yourselves wrong.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:43:50 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 09:41:23 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:38:36 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 09:35:28 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:33:21 PMQuote from: Mad Max on January 19, 2015, 09:32:12 PMIt's really obvious who does and does not understand transgenderism and related trans issues.If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally a good idea not to debate about it.This isn't a debate, it's a discussion. Transgenders who embrace the disorder are sick. They have no place in a civilized society.And how does someone being transgender negatively affect anybody else?Something doesn't have to affect others to be sick or idiotic. Transgenders have a disorder, simple as that, and it should be treated, not embraced.If it doesn't affect you in any way, why do you care? What possible purpose would it serve other than wasting society's time?And why do I care? The main reason is that I'm a somewhat ethical person.Either this is bait or you're really that deplorable. ._.The rest of your argument completely contradicts that, though. If you were ethical, you really wouldn't care. It has nothing to do with you, does not affect you or anyone else in any way... it's completely unethical to punish something that's harmless and morally acceptable.
Quote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 09:41:23 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:38:36 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 09:35:28 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:33:21 PMQuote from: Mad Max on January 19, 2015, 09:32:12 PMIt's really obvious who does and does not understand transgenderism and related trans issues.If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally a good idea not to debate about it.This isn't a debate, it's a discussion. Transgenders who embrace the disorder are sick. They have no place in a civilized society.And how does someone being transgender negatively affect anybody else?Something doesn't have to affect others to be sick or idiotic. Transgenders have a disorder, simple as that, and it should be treated, not embraced.If it doesn't affect you in any way, why do you care? What possible purpose would it serve other than wasting society's time?And why do I care? The main reason is that I'm a somewhat ethical person.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:38:36 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 09:35:28 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:33:21 PMQuote from: Mad Max on January 19, 2015, 09:32:12 PMIt's really obvious who does and does not understand transgenderism and related trans issues.If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally a good idea not to debate about it.This isn't a debate, it's a discussion. Transgenders who embrace the disorder are sick. They have no place in a civilized society.And how does someone being transgender negatively affect anybody else?Something doesn't have to affect others to be sick or idiotic. Transgenders have a disorder, simple as that, and it should be treated, not embraced.If it doesn't affect you in any way, why do you care? What possible purpose would it serve other than wasting society's time?
Quote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 09:35:28 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:33:21 PMQuote from: Mad Max on January 19, 2015, 09:32:12 PMIt's really obvious who does and does not understand transgenderism and related trans issues.If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally a good idea not to debate about it.This isn't a debate, it's a discussion. Transgenders who embrace the disorder are sick. They have no place in a civilized society.And how does someone being transgender negatively affect anybody else?Something doesn't have to affect others to be sick or idiotic. Transgenders have a disorder, simple as that, and it should be treated, not embraced.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:33:21 PMQuote from: Mad Max on January 19, 2015, 09:32:12 PMIt's really obvious who does and does not understand transgenderism and related trans issues.If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally a good idea not to debate about it.This isn't a debate, it's a discussion. Transgenders who embrace the disorder are sick. They have no place in a civilized society.And how does someone being transgender negatively affect anybody else?
Quote from: Mad Max on January 19, 2015, 09:32:12 PMIt's really obvious who does and does not understand transgenderism and related trans issues.If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally a good idea not to debate about it.This isn't a debate, it's a discussion. Transgenders who embrace the disorder are sick. They have no place in a civilized society.
It's really obvious who does and does not understand transgenderism and related trans issues.If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally a good idea not to debate about it.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 10:21:28 PMcould you honestly not argue with a racist about it?No... I couldn't. Not if changing your mind was the goal, anyway.
could you honestly not argue with a racist about it?
If all racism was was finding blacks nasty, and not actually hating them,
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 10:21:28 PMIf all racism was was finding blacks nasty, and not actually hating them,Also, I'd just like to point out that a lot of racists will say shit like "I don't hate blacks, BUT..."
Quote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 10:19:55 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 10:16:34 PMQuote from: Verbatim on January 19, 2015, 10:15:13 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 10:11:16 PMIf by "transphobic" you mean "find cross-dressing and post-op TGs repulsive", then yeah, I am. That has no bearing on this conversation, though.It does, in the sense that it creates an impasse. Would you want to argue with a racist as to why racism is bad? I sure the fuck wouldn't. If you just came out and said that you were transphobic, that would make it a lot easier for some of us, anyway, to not waste our time with you. You understand? It's a matter of, "am I willing to spend my time arguing with this person".Ad hominem.No, he's pointing that there's a fundamental impasse in arguing with someone who feels like that of a subject. It's not an attack, it's saying that there is "no point in arguing with a racist" because a racist and a non-racist will never agree, so there's no point in having the discussion.If all racism was was finding blacks nasty, and not actually hating them, could you honestly not argue with a racist about it? Like, I don't even have anything against TGs personally. Say one bad thing against them and this forum has a heart attack.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 10:16:34 PMQuote from: Verbatim on January 19, 2015, 10:15:13 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 10:11:16 PMIf by "transphobic" you mean "find cross-dressing and post-op TGs repulsive", then yeah, I am. That has no bearing on this conversation, though.It does, in the sense that it creates an impasse. Would you want to argue with a racist as to why racism is bad? I sure the fuck wouldn't. If you just came out and said that you were transphobic, that would make it a lot easier for some of us, anyway, to not waste our time with you. You understand? It's a matter of, "am I willing to spend my time arguing with this person".Ad hominem.No, he's pointing that there's a fundamental impasse in arguing with someone who feels like that of a subject. It's not an attack, it's saying that there is "no point in arguing with a racist" because a racist and a non-racist will never agree, so there's no point in having the discussion.
Quote from: Verbatim on January 19, 2015, 10:15:13 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 10:11:16 PMIf by "transphobic" you mean "find cross-dressing and post-op TGs repulsive", then yeah, I am. That has no bearing on this conversation, though.It does, in the sense that it creates an impasse. Would you want to argue with a racist as to why racism is bad? I sure the fuck wouldn't. If you just came out and said that you were transphobic, that would make it a lot easier for some of us, anyway, to not waste our time with you. You understand? It's a matter of, "am I willing to spend my time arguing with this person".Ad hominem.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 10:11:16 PMIf by "transphobic" you mean "find cross-dressing and post-op TGs repulsive", then yeah, I am. That has no bearing on this conversation, though.It does, in the sense that it creates an impasse. Would you want to argue with a racist as to why racism is bad? I sure the fuck wouldn't. If you just came out and said that you were transphobic, that would make it a lot easier for some of us, anyway, to not waste our time with you. You understand? It's a matter of, "am I willing to spend my time arguing with this person".
If by "transphobic" you mean "find cross-dressing and post-op TGs repulsive", then yeah, I am. That has no bearing on this conversation, though.
Quote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 10:27:43 PMQuote from: Camnator on January 19, 2015, 10:25:38 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 10:18:47 PMQuote from: Camnator on January 19, 2015, 10:15:14 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 10:12:24 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:43:50 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 09:41:23 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:38:36 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 09:35:28 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:33:21 PMQuote from: Mad Max on January 19, 2015, 09:32:12 PMIt's really obvious who does and does not understand transgenderism and related trans issues.If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally a good idea not to debate about it.This isn't a debate, it's a discussion. Transgenders who embrace the disorder are sick. They have no place in a civilized society.And how does someone being transgender negatively affect anybody else?Something doesn't have to affect others to be sick or idiotic. Transgenders have a disorder, simple as that, and it should be treated, not embraced.If it doesn't affect you in any way, why do you care? What possible purpose would it serve other than wasting society's time?And why do I care? The main reason is that I'm a somewhat ethical person.Either this is bait or you're really that deplorable. ._.The rest of your argument completely contradicts that, though. If you were ethical, you really wouldn't care. It has nothing to do with you, does not affect you or anyone else in any way... it's completely unethical to punish something that's harmless and morally acceptable.HAAHAHAHAA!!! You just said cops are fine when they arrest people for cannabis! Dang, sometimes you people amaze me at how quickly you prove yourselves wrong.That's completely irrelevant, and not to mention incorrect.It's more than relevant, as it discredits you as a hypocrite since you contradicted yourself. It's not at all incorrect, either.These are direct quotes from you..."it's completely unethical to punish something that's harmless and morally acceptable.""Regardless of whether it's unjust, they're not necessarily wrong for doing their jobs unless it strongly violates moral boundaries or their own conscience.""Arresting someone for having drugs is hardly deplorable compared to, I don't know, beating peaceful protesters with nightsticks"Thanks for making it easy.This is irrelevant because it's harassment because you lost the other argument -___-There is no law in the United States that bans transgenderism. There is no double standard in my reasoning.Thanks for humiliating yourself. You horribly lost in that thread, you could never even make an actual argument. There is no just law banning cannabis, either.
Quote from: Camnator on January 19, 2015, 10:25:38 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 10:18:47 PMQuote from: Camnator on January 19, 2015, 10:15:14 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 10:12:24 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:43:50 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 09:41:23 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:38:36 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 19, 2015, 09:35:28 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 09:33:21 PMQuote from: Mad Max on January 19, 2015, 09:32:12 PMIt's really obvious who does and does not understand transgenderism and related trans issues.If you don't know what you're talking about, it's generally a good idea not to debate about it.This isn't a debate, it's a discussion. Transgenders who embrace the disorder are sick. They have no place in a civilized society.And how does someone being transgender negatively affect anybody else?Something doesn't have to affect others to be sick or idiotic. Transgenders have a disorder, simple as that, and it should be treated, not embraced.If it doesn't affect you in any way, why do you care? What possible purpose would it serve other than wasting society's time?And why do I care? The main reason is that I'm a somewhat ethical person.Either this is bait or you're really that deplorable. ._.The rest of your argument completely contradicts that, though. If you were ethical, you really wouldn't care. It has nothing to do with you, does not affect you or anyone else in any way... it's completely unethical to punish something that's harmless and morally acceptable.HAAHAHAHAA!!! You just said cops are fine when they arrest people for cannabis! Dang, sometimes you people amaze me at how quickly you prove yourselves wrong.That's completely irrelevant, and not to mention incorrect.It's more than relevant, as it discredits you as a hypocrite since you contradicted yourself. It's not at all incorrect, either.These are direct quotes from you..."it's completely unethical to punish something that's harmless and morally acceptable.""Regardless of whether it's unjust, they're not necessarily wrong for doing their jobs unless it strongly violates moral boundaries or their own conscience.""Arresting someone for having drugs is hardly deplorable compared to, I don't know, beating peaceful protesters with nightsticks"Thanks for making it easy.This is irrelevant because it's harassment because you lost the other argument -___-There is no law in the United States that bans transgenderism. There is no double standard in my reasoning.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 10:21:28 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 19, 2015, 10:19:55 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 10:16:34 PMQuote from: Verbatim on January 19, 2015, 10:15:13 PMQuote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 10:11:16 PMIf by "transphobic" you mean "find cross-dressing and post-op TGs repulsive", then yeah, I am. That has no bearing on this conversation, though.It does, in the sense that it creates an impasse. Would you want to argue with a racist as to why racism is bad? I sure the fuck wouldn't. If you just came out and said that you were transphobic, that would make it a lot easier for some of us, anyway, to not waste our time with you. You understand? It's a matter of, "am I willing to spend my time arguing with this person".Ad hominem.No, he's pointing that there's a fundamental impasse in arguing with someone who feels like that of a subject. It's not an attack, it's saying that there is "no point in arguing with a racist" because a racist and a non-racist will never agree, so there's no point in having the discussion.If all racism was was finding blacks nasty, and not actually hating them, could you honestly not argue with a racist about it? Like, I don't even have anything against TGs personally. Say one bad thing against them and this forum has a heart attack.If the discussion was about if blacks were equal to whites, you could not have a good discussion of it. There's a prejudice in play, it doesn't matter what form it takes. Discussion is about learning, and if one side cannot teach the other something, then there's no point in doing it! If you are staunchly opposed, to the point of transphobia, then there's not a point in talking about it with you. That's not to call you a bad person or something, just that there is an impasse in discussing transgenderism.I despise sweet tea. It's disgusting and I don't see how people drink it. I am not someone in which you'd want to talk about sweet tea/the south rising again with unless you wanted to argue in an endless stalemate until you gave up.
Your point? You can say things you don't like about blacks without being a racist.
You and I obviously have different views on the point of conversation. It's not about learning, it's about sharing your views. I've never had my beliefs swayed by an online argument, lol. If that's the whole reason you get involved in these, then you should just not respond to me in general.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 10:30:46 PMYour point? You can say things you don't like about blacks without being a racist.I'm just saying. That IS how a lot of racists talk. You've made yourself look very transphobic in this thread.
Quote from: SecondClass on January 19, 2015, 10:33:35 PMYou and I obviously have different views on the point of conversation. It's not about learning, it's about sharing your views. I've never had my beliefs swayed by an online argument, lol. If that's the whole reason you get involved in these, then you should just not respond to me in general.Now THAT is an excellent idea.I need a fucking drink.
Quote from: Verbatim on January 19, 2015, 10:36:32 PMI need a fucking drink.I thought you were against alcohol...
I need a fucking drink.
For a lot of cis people trans people are like the harbingers of the truth about the matrix they've been living in and their only reaction is bewilderment since something they've never questioned is being openly defied and to an extent undone right before their eyes. And people react badly when that happens, because they feel unsafe. Familiarity is comfort.
Nice thread :^)
I didn't ask to be born a dog in a mans body.Fuck all of you.
Quote from: challengerX on February 02, 2015, 12:19:05 PMNice thread :^)Nice bump.
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