Quote from: Fagcicle on December 24, 2014, 12:40:47 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on December 24, 2014, 12:40:13 PM

Quote from: Fagcicle on December 24, 2014, 12:38:29 PM

We can only communicate as much as possible.

It's obvious that there's currently a deficiency in communication.

I'm curious, what would you suggest in terms of communication?,

I'm just going to post the recommendations I made to Isara:

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Obviously, we can't be banning people left right and centre otherwise we'd have no community left - but it's clear that something needs to be done.
- Expand the moderation team
- Improve the roles of monitors
- Standardise the system
- Better communication

Of course, it's all about balance in approaching these issues. Expanding the moderation team runs the risk of upsetting the ratio of users to moderators, and could result in people seeing the moderation team as a ramshackle confederation as opposed to a tight, monolithic organisation of people willing to keep the community up-to-scratch. In saying that, it's not clear that we're understaffed either. I think the lack of communication between the users leads to a feeling of neglect and the illusion that we might not have the man-power, when in fact we just need a more streamlined system. However, replacing Sandtrap - as well as adding perhaps another new moderator - in conjunction with the next point wouldn't be a bad idea.

The roles of monitors, also, need to be expanded. In truth - and I'm not sure how many people agree - the monitors are largely defunct and useless. They don't do anything, it's like the moderation team puts them there so it looks like people are around keeping an eye on shit. All they do, however, is dole out hesitant warnings and reluctant words of caution. Monitors need to be beefed up, and be put in a position of support to the moderators - acting as the bridge between them and the community. They need to be, in essence, the boots on the ground talking to the community and relaying the moderation team's information. They need to be dropping PMs to users who make reports and telling them that the ninjas are considering a proper course of action, and they'll be kept in the loop as to what's happening.

Standardising the system could be tricky and I'm no programmer. The warning system based on percentages was a good start, but we need to be able to say "if you do this, we'll do this", and stick to it. We rely to much on the discretion of the ninjas which, while valuable in serious instances - like Camnator's fucking retarded reveal of Nuka's personal information - it becomes something of a joke when you have Challenger and Kinder hurling insults at each for pages on end. There's also a degree of bias, as much as I hate to say it, within the team. Kinder deserves the bans he gets when he steps over the line, but it's usually in response to something from Challenger which is clearly pissing him off. Is he right to be upset? I don't know. But we need ninjas (and monitors) in the threads either telling Kinder why he shouldn't be upset if Challenger actually hasn't done anything wrong, or explaining to him personally what the team is doing about Challenger's behaviour, which he is reporting. I'm also not calling them out, just using them as an example. I also think monitors should be able to edit/censor posts, as ninjas do.

And, of course, better communication has been the central theme all through my proposals.

Quote from: Fagcicle on December 24, 2014, 12:38:29 PM

We can only communicate as much as possible. An example was allowing everyone to see the "Warned" title  to show that we actually gave out warnings frequently. Of course, then people used it as an accessory and just shitposted to get it.

It became less of a punishment.

To me, that was a big mistake to remove that. Because if you're willing to shitpost just to get it, that just goes to show how much contributional value THAT user has, if that's how they're gonna treat their forum. That's why if they continue, BAN the fucker. Permanently. They're obviously not fit for intelligent discussion/posting.

I mean, I hate to blame Noelle, but that whole trend sort of was her fault, but she was just being vindictive. And just like the sheep that a lot of this community consists of, they followed it.

I don't fucking know. I just don't think it has to be this difficult.